Gun violence escalating between Australian Bikie gangs...but, they confiscated guns..right?

[ChrisL]

Sure I am, and if it weren't for people such as yourself who need your government to take care of you and keep you safe, I would have even MORE freedom. If you don't want to own a gun, the solution for you is simple. DO not own one.

I'm just asking you to stop pretending that you're free, you're not. there are tons of weapons that you're not allowed to own but that your tyrannical government has. Man, are you FUCKED or what?

And you people who wish for a nanny state just want to keep taking more and more of our freedoms every day. That is why people hate liberals. It's pretty simple concept. Because of people like YOU who are pants crappers, all of us lose.

So you want the freedom for anyone to shoot up a school full of children with an easily accessible high powered weapon?

That's probably what a pants crapper would think! Ha ha!

You're probably sterile, that's why you don't care about school children. amirite or AMIRITE!!!

Oh yeah, that's right. You are truly a moron. Lol.

 

[Taz]

I'm just asking you to stop pretending that you're free, you're not. there are tons of weapons that you're not allowed to own but that your tyrannical government has. Man, are you FUCKED or what?

And you people who wish for a nanny state just want to keep taking more and more of our freedoms every day. That is why people hate liberals. It's pretty simple concept. Because of people like YOU who are pants crappers, all of us lose.

So you want the freedom for anyone to shoot up a school full of children with an easily accessible high powered weapon?

That's probably what a pants crapper would think! Ha ha!

You're probably sterile, that's why you don't care about school children. amirite or AMIRITE!!!

Oh yeah, that's right. You are truly a moron. Lol.

Knew it.

 

[ChrisL]

ALL of your gun control laws have thus far FAILED to make anyone safer (because government and laws can't keep you safe - idiots). In fact, they have made things worse.

 

[ChrisL]

And you people who wish for a nanny state just want to keep taking more and more of our freedoms every day. That is why people hate liberals. It's pretty simple concept. Because of people like YOU who are pants crappers, all of us lose.

So you want the freedom for anyone to shoot up a school full of children with an easily accessible high powered weapon?

That's probably what a pants crapper would think! Ha ha!

You're probably sterile, that's why you don't care about school children. amirite or AMIRITE!!!

Oh yeah, that's right. You are truly a moron. Lol.

Knew it.

I'll have to let my son know.

 

[Moonglow]

But.....I thought they banned and confiscated guns in Australia.....did these bikie gangs ( For us Americans, that would be Biker Gangs) get the message?

Police form special bikie strike force as Nomads, Finks violence escalates in the Hunter

Bikie violence escalates in Hunter region with sixth drive-by shooting between Finks, Nomads


A spate of bikie-related drive-by shootings in the New South Wales Hunter region has triggered the formation of a new strike force to tackle gang-related violence.

A large number of gunshots were fired into a house and car in Chisholm, near the town of Maitland about 1:00am on Thursday.

Detective Superintendent Wayne Humphries said there have been six public shooting incidents and two Molotov cocktail attacks in the region since January.

We get weed and have for forty years even though it's banned..Why ban anything?

 

[ChrisL]

And you people who wish for a nanny state just want to keep taking more and more of our freedoms every day. That is why people hate liberals. It's pretty simple concept. Because of people like YOU who are pants crappers, all of us lose.

So you want the freedom for anyone to shoot up a school full of children with an easily accessible high powered weapon?

That's probably what a pants crapper would think! Ha ha!

You're probably sterile, that's why you don't care about school children. amirite or AMIRITE!!!

Oh yeah, that's right. You are truly a moron. Lol.

Knew it.

Face the facts, your nanny government cannot and will not protect you. Your self defense and safety is in your own hands.

All you want is "feel good" laws that do nothing except hinder the law abiding people who would NOT shoot people.

 

[Moonglow]

ALL of your gun control laws have thus far FAILED to make anyone safer (because government and laws can't keep you safe - idiots). In fact, they have made things worse.

So that law about murder being wrong will be annulled any day now...??

 

[ChrisL]

ALL of your gun control laws have thus far FAILED to make anyone safer (because government and laws can't keep you safe - idiots). In fact, they have made things worse.

So that law about murder being wrong will be annulled any day now...

Murder laws are in place for the purpose of punishing the murderers after the fact, not to PREVENT the murderers from murdering. Your thought process is fucked, probably from the years of abusing your brain with alcohol and drugs.

 

[ChrisL]

Drugs and alcohol stunt your brain development, so that you remain with the mentality and critical thinking skills of a child for the rest of your life. Interesting, huh?

 

[Moonglow]

Drugs and alcohol stunt your brain development, so that you remain with the mentality and critical thinking skills of a child for the rest of your life. Interesting, huh?

Is that your excuse?

 

[Moonglow]

ALL of your gun control laws have thus far FAILED to make anyone safer (because government and laws can't keep you safe - idiots). In fact, they have made things worse.

So that law about murder being wrong will be annulled any day now...

Murder laws are in place for the purpose of punishing the murderers after the fact, not to PREVENT the murderers from murdering. Your thought process is fucked, probably from the years of abusing your brain with alcohol and drugs.

I don't drink nor do I take drugs so don't be such a redundant bitch...

 

[ChrisL]

ALL of your gun control laws have thus far FAILED to make anyone safer (because government and laws can't keep you safe - idiots). In fact, they have made things worse.

So that law about murder being wrong will be annulled any day now...

Murder laws are in place for the purpose of punishing the murderers after the fact, not to PREVENT the murderers from murdering. Your thought process is fucked, probably from the years of abusing your brain with alcohol and drugs.

I don't drink nor do I take drugs so don't be such a redundant bitch...

What? You don't like it when someone says you use drugs or alcohol? Is that offensive to you?

 

[2aguy]

Fortunately, you or your friend do not determine what other people feel they might need. Your opinions or the opinions of your friends should not be a factor in anyone else's self determinations. That is one of the great things that makes us FREE.

You're not free to own a lot of weapons, so stop pretending that you're free. You're free to the extent that the government wants you to be, because they severely outgun you with all the stuff that they don't allow you to own.

Sure I am, and if it weren't for people such as yourself who need your government to take care of you and keep you safe, I would have even MORE freedom. If you don't want to own a gun, the solution for you is simple. DO not own one.

I'm just asking you to stop pretending that you're free, you're not. there are tons of weapons that you're not allowed to own but that your tyrannical government has. Man, are you FUCKED or what?

And you people who wish for a nanny state just want to keep taking more and more of our freedoms every day. That is why people hate liberals. It's pretty simple concept. Because of people like YOU who are pants crappers, all of us lose.

So you want the freedom for anyone to shoot up a school full of children with an easily accessible high powered weapon?

What high powered weapon, the AR-15 is a weak weapon....there are bigger rifles out there the shooters can use, luckily, they don't......and the worst school shooting happened with 2 pistols.....the guy murdered 32 people...so much for you weak theory of high powered weaponry.

 

[ChrisL]

Drugs and alcohol stunt your brain development, so that you remain with the mentality and critical thinking skills of a child for the rest of your life. Interesting, huh?

Is that your excuse?

Stop lying about your drug use, dopey.

BTW, DRUGS kill far many more people every day than guns.

 

[ChrisL]

You're not free to own a lot of weapons, so stop pretending that you're free. You're free to the extent that the government wants you to be, because they severely outgun you with all the stuff that they don't allow you to own.

Sure I am, and if it weren't for people such as yourself who need your government to take care of you and keep you safe, I would have even MORE freedom. If you don't want to own a gun, the solution for you is simple. DO not own one.

I'm just asking you to stop pretending that you're free, you're not. there are tons of weapons that you're not allowed to own but that your tyrannical government has. Man, are you FUCKED or what?

And you people who wish for a nanny state just want to keep taking more and more of our freedoms every day. That is why people hate liberals. It's pretty simple concept. Because of people like YOU who are pants crappers, all of us lose.

So you want the freedom for anyone to shoot up a school full of children with an easily accessible high powered weapon?

What high powered weapon, the AR-15 is a weak weapon....there are bigger rifles out there the shooters can use, luckily, they don't......and the worst school shooting happened with 2 pistols.....the guy murdered 32 people...so much for you weak theory of high powered weaponry.

Most of these panty poopers have never even held a gun in their clammy little hands, so they have not a CLUE what they are talking about.

 

[2aguy]

Gun bans would be about as effective as drug bans and alcohol bans and pornography bans.

Then why have laws against murder if people still murder other people?

And where the fuck do you live that there are pornography bans?

That old point? The laws set up the punishment if you engage in the behavior....they do not stop the behavior if the individual doesn't care about the consequences of getting caught......that is why you will never keep guns out of the hands of actual criminals....

 

[2aguy]

But.....I thought they banned and confiscated guns in Australia.....did these bikie gangs ( For us Americans, that would be Biker Gangs) get the message?

Police form special bikie strike force as Nomads, Finks violence escalates in the Hunter

Bikie violence escalates in Hunter region with sixth drive-by shooting between Finks, Nomads


A spate of bikie-related drive-by shootings in the New South Wales Hunter region has triggered the formation of a new strike force to tackle gang-related violence.

A large number of gunshots were fired into a house and car in Chisholm, near the town of Maitland about 1:00am on Thursday.

Detective Superintendent Wayne Humphries said there have been six public shooting incidents and two Molotov cocktail attacks in the region since January.

Nobody cares if biker gangs shoot each other. At least they're not shooting up the schools.

And yet here in the United States, the majority of our gun murder is criminals murdering other criminals....70-80% of the victims of gun murder are criminals, and yet you want to take guns away from everyone else on that basis.....so you do care....just the wrong way.

No, I want to limit sales of high powered weapons to everyone. You already can't buy more high powered weapons, so what's a few more on the list?

What is your definition of "high powered weapons"?

Why does everyone ask that? A friend of mine, who is a gun enthusiast, told me that he needs a handgun to protect himself and a hunting rifle for hunting and keeping the vermin away from his farm, and that the rest of the stuff was not a need, just a want.

that is his opinion.....I have people who prefer the AR-15 for home defense and the pistol to carry when they are out of the house....if you face a situation like a long term natural disaster, the cops are going to be busy, and the defense of your family may hang on that AR-15 rifle or some other semi auto rifle....

 

[ChrisL]

Nobody cares if biker gangs shoot each other. At least they're not shooting up the schools.

And yet here in the United States, the majority of our gun murder is criminals murdering other criminals....70-80% of the victims of gun murder are criminals, and yet you want to take guns away from everyone else on that basis.....so you do care....just the wrong way.

No, I want to limit sales of high powered weapons to everyone. You already can't buy more high powered weapons, so what's a few more on the list?

What is your definition of "high powered weapons"?

Why does everyone ask that? A friend of mine, who is a gun enthusiast, told me that he needs a handgun to protect himself and a hunting rifle for hunting and keeping the vermin away from his farm, and that the rest of the stuff was not a need, just a want.

that is his opinion.....I have people who prefer the AR-15 for home defense and the pistol to carry when they are out of the house....if you face a situation like a long term natural disaster, the cops are going to be busy, and the defense of your family may hang on that AR-15 rifle or some other semi auto rifle....

Oh, but their mommy government will never let them get hurt. No worries. Let's ALL be complacent.

 

[2aguy]

And what you don't understand is that it had nothing to do with their gun control laws....as New Zealand, which didn't ban guns, experienced the same drop in gun deaths

You are an ignorant idiot. NZ effectively banned military style semi automatics and instituted rigorous licensing procedures after its first mass shooting with an AK. Handguns in NZ have been effectively banned for decades.

Do you mean Australia?

New Zealand...

Gun laws in New Zealand - Wikipedia

And as my links show, Australian gun control hasn't worked, not for criminals and not for mass shootings.....their gun crime is going up, and they have been saved from the definition of mass public shootings because the shooters didn't shoot more than 4 people....but they have had about a dozen cases of people in public spaces with guns shooting people.....showing that their gun laws did not stop mass shootings....dumb luck did.....

 

[2aguy]

And what you don't understand is that it had nothing to do with their gun control laws....as New Zealand, which didn't ban guns, experienced the same drop in gun deaths

You are an ignorant idiot. NZ effectively banned military style semi automatics and instituted rigorous licensing procedures after its first mass shooting with an AK. Handguns in NZ have been effectively banned for decades.

And the ban doesn't work for criminals...

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.

But....military weapons?

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.