Guns are not the answer...and other stupid things people say....

[elongobardi]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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WRONG--you just screwed up --again!
see post # 97

That is an inaccurate post dumbass. Good try.


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[harmonica]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

 

[harmonica]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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WRONG--you just screwed up --again!
see post # 97

That is an inaccurate post dumbass. Good try.


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very impressive stats/links/evidence you have there
hahahahhahahahahhahahaha

 

[miketx]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

That's because, as you've been told over and over, liberal scum allow criminals to get off. Just like they did all the times the police were called out on cruz in FL. You scum own the crime.

 

[miketx]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Bullshit.

 

[harmonica]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Bullshit.

Cal, NY, and NJ lower than Alaska and Mo
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

 

[miketx]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Bullshit.

Cal, NY, and NJ lower than Alaska and Mo
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

Bullshit. There's a fraction of people in Alaska compared to Cal, NY NJ and MO. total bullshit. Fake data.

 

[harmonica]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Bullshit.

Cal, NY, and NJ lower than Alaska and Mo
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

Bullshit. There's a fraction of people in Alaska compared to Cal, NY NJ and MO. total bullshit. Fake data.

this is what elong said--THIS is bullshit as I have proven with the facts

More guns less gun violence. Criminals are less likely to commit crimes if they know that there targets are carrying a gun. NJ, Chicago, NY and states that have strict gun laws have more gun violence

 

[2aguy]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

Again......we have the crime rate we have because of fatherless boys, not because law abiding people own and carry guns.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

which has nothing to do with legal gun ownership. In fact, Britain shows that when criminals have guns, using them to commit murder is not mandatory. Our criminals have suffered the breakdown of the family longer than European criminals have...that is the key. The lack of fathers in the home creates killers, not access to guns by law abiding people. As the stats show....more guns, less gun murder, which shows your point is not correct.

The stats show more guns more murder.

No....since as more Americans owning and actually carrying guns was followed by a 49% decrease in gun murder.......that means more guns do not increase the gun murder rate....

You are wrong.

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

We have the most guns of any developed nation....and we have far and away the most murders.

More guns equals more gun violence.

Wrong. More guns less gun violence. Criminals are less likely to commit crimes if they know that there targets are carrying a gun. NJ, Chicago, NY and states that have strict gun laws have more gun violence. I know Chicago isn’t a state but the have 20 plus homicides in a weekend. Strict gun laws that mean only the criminals have guns. Murder capital of the US. Camden, NJ another murder capital of the US. There are other states as well cities in strong gun control laws that gun violence is ramped up.


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you just proved--beyond a doubt--that you have NO idea what you are talking about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you just parrot/suck in bullshit
Chi, NYC, LA and Illinois, NY, and CA have LOWER murder rates
here:
..St Louis Mo is VERY pro-gun--but has a much higher murder rate than strict-gun controlled NYCity and LA
..Stl population 320,000 --------murders 186
..NYC population 8,600,000 --murders 289 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chi population 2,700,000 ------murders 650
Chi murder rate almost 50% LESS than very pro-gun Stl
Homicides in the city of St. Louis strikes 186 in 2018
NYC sees record low homicides in 2018 based on preliminary data

..STL has a HIGHER murder rate than Chicago

..VERY pro-gun Missouri has a higher murder rate than gun controlled New York, California and Illinois
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

....this is all cross checked with StL being in the top ten most dangerous cities lists--NYC, Chi, and LA are NOT in the top 10
#1 most dangerous city--very pro-gun STL
St. Louis Is America's Most Dangerous City: FBI
St. Louis ranked least safe city in America--but it's not all about crime

You have been shown why St. Louis has a high murder rate, and it has nothing to do with law abiding people owning and carrying guns....

The high gun murder rate in St. Louis has everything to do with democrats running the city for decades with a get out of jail free card for violent gun criminals...

Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

Violence down in St. Louis but homicides hold steady. Are tougher penalties for gun crimes the answer?


But many challenges remain, official said. The department is still down more than 130 officers. Witnesses to crimes remain reluctant to come forward for fear of retaliation, making it difficult to close cases. And a lack of state laws to deter gun crimes has forced the police to turn to federal courts to indict some suspects.

On Tuesday, Edwards made a new pitch: He wants to see the mandatory minimum sentence for armed criminal action raised from its current ceiling of three years to at least 15 years for nonfatal shootings, and 25 years for fatal shootings.

 

[2aguy]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Bullshit.

Cal, NY, and NJ lower than Alaska and Mo
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

You are a moron.....Alaska has a high gun death rate, that means people in that lonely, frozen state shoot themselves, you twit......

You moron....

Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates

n Alaska, suicide was the leading cause of gun deaths, with it being the main factor in more than 80% of all firearm deaths.

 

[harmonica]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Bullshit.

Cal, NY, and NJ lower than Alaska and Mo
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

You are a moron.....Alaska has a high gun death rate, that means people in that lonely, frozen state shoot themselves, you twit......

You moron....

Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates

n Alaska, suicide was the leading cause of gun deaths, with it being the main factor in more than 80% of all firearm deaths.

YOU are the moron--it clearly says MURDER rates---not gun death rate

 

[2aguy]

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Bullshit.

Cal, NY, and NJ lower than Alaska and Mo
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

You are a moron.....Alaska has a high gun death rate, that means people in that lonely, frozen state shoot themselves, you twit......

You moron....

Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates

n Alaska, suicide was the leading cause of gun deaths, with it being the main factor in more than 80% of all firearm deaths.

YOU are the moron--it clearly says MURDER rates---not gun death rate

No....you are still the moron....

Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?



Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.

At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.

Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.

According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.

Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added).

These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.

"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.

 

[2aguy]

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Bullshit.

Cal, NY, and NJ lower than Alaska and Mo
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

You are a moron.....Alaska has a high gun death rate, that means people in that lonely, frozen state shoot themselves, you twit......

You moron....

Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates

n Alaska, suicide was the leading cause of gun deaths, with it being the main factor in more than 80% of all firearm deaths.

YOU are the moron--it clearly says MURDER rates---not gun death rate

And looking at your chart....Texas.....Florida...have lower rates than Illinois, and Wyoming, the state with the highest gun ownership rate has a lower rate than California, New York and Illinois...you dumb ass....

Again...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Bullshit.

Cal, NY, and NJ lower than Alaska and Mo
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

You are a moron.....Alaska has a high gun death rate, that means people in that lonely, frozen state shoot themselves, you twit......

You moron....

Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates

n Alaska, suicide was the leading cause of gun deaths, with it being the main factor in more than 80% of all firearm deaths.

YOU are the moron--it clearly says MURDER rates---not gun death rate

Moron.....

FBI: Handgun Murders Dropped when These States Abolished Concealed Permit Requirements

FBI crime report figures show that Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming–three states that abolished their concealed requirement years ago–have since witnessed a decreased in handgun murder

 

[candycorn]

Strange.
We have more gun deaths than any other advanced nation.....
We also have the most guns.

If what you're saying was true...shouldn't we have the least amount of violence....

Our gun violence has gone down every year. More guns less violence. Do you think Venezuela is rethinking there no gun policy as the crime rate has tripled since they did Look at England and there stabbing incidents over the past 6 months. It’s off the charts. Do you think it would be like that if there wasn’t a gun ban. I can go on with Australia as well. All countries with gun bans aren’t doing to well. So to answer your question, any gun ban will raise violence through the roof.


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England's murder rate is 4 times LOWER

And that has nothing to do with guns.....it is the culture that keeps criminals from murdering their victims...and as we see, as the welfare state there has destroyed the nuclear family, their young males are now becoming more and more violent, and killing more and more easily.

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week.

wrong...they had 2 World Wars devestate their countries....they came from a history of feudalism.....our families started breaking down before theirs did, hence the increase in violent crime...which is now going down.

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

 

[candycorn]

Improper English. Ok Professor Dickhead.


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There is absolutely no grammatical rule that forbids ending a sentence with a verb.

Again, it’s improper. Probably no rule against being a dickhead either. You should stop trying so hard.

But you can't find the grammatical rule that says ending a sentence with a verb is wrong.

So you can't prove your point with actual source material and you give me your worthless opinion that ending a sentence with a verb is "improper".

This from a dullard that doesn't understand what a period at the end of a sentence denotes.

See I just ended another sentence with a verb.

It is improper English.

It is all I have ever said on the topic shit-brains.

What an asshole. It’s just improper English. Get a new line. Your wrong and pissed that you can’t answer back.


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The proper word is “you’re”, not “your”.

 

[2aguy]

Our gun violence has gone down every year. More guns less violence. Do you think Venezuela is rethinking there no gun policy as the crime rate has tripled since they did Look at England and there stabbing incidents over the past 6 months. It’s off the charts. Do you think it would be like that if there wasn’t a gun ban. I can go on with Australia as well. All countries with gun bans aren’t doing to well. So to answer your question, any gun ban will raise violence through the roof.


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England's murder rate is 4 times LOWER

And that has nothing to do with guns.....it is the culture that keeps criminals from murdering their victims...and as we see, as the welfare state there has destroyed the nuclear family, their young males are now becoming more and more violent, and killing more and more easily.

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week.

wrong...they had 2 World Wars devestate their countries....they came from a history of feudalism.....our families started breaking down before theirs did, hence the increase in violent crime...which is now going down.

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

again, you mix suicide with gun murder......so you are lying.

And no, Europe was set back by the destruction caused by the 2nd World War.....they are now at a point where their social welfare states are creating fatherless boys, whose teen mothers can't turn them into adult men.....their violence rates are going through the roof.

 

[candycorn]

England's murder rate is 4 times LOWER

And that has nothing to do with guns.....it is the culture that keeps criminals from murdering their victims...and as we see, as the welfare state there has destroyed the nuclear family, their young males are now becoming more and more violent, and killing more and more easily.

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week.

wrong...they had 2 World Wars devestate their countries....they came from a history of feudalism.....our families started breaking down before theirs did, hence the increase in violent crime...which is now going down.

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

again, you mix suicide with gun murder......so you are lying.

And no, Europe was set back by the destruction caused by the 2nd World War.....they are now at a point where their social welfare states are creating fatherless boys, whose teen mothers can't turn them into adult men.....their violence rates are going through the roof.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

 

[elongobardi]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Look again. Alaska is a lot of suicides. Some people can’t handle 6 months of dark. Like Hawaii. Alaska in its own world up there. You are grasping at straws. Give up its embarrassing.


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