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Guns are not the problem in Chicago..the judges and prosecutors are...

99.999% of guns do nothing to people every day. Yet those are the ones you want to go after.

There's no good reason for anyone to have guns, and frankly, if we go around arming cops like soldiers because they think every motorist they pull over might shoot them, are any of us truly free.

I assume you would support lynching the cop, right? No due process? No jury trial?

My brother and his wife are good friends with this cop. They are kind of upset that I think he's guilty of doing exactly what he was caught red handed doing on videotape.

Here's the thing. It's been three years since Van Dyke was caught shooting that kid, on videotape. His trial STILL hasn't started yet.

Again, the CPD has been known to railroad people into prison for crimes they didn't commit.


Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals....they would say they absolutely needed their guns....

Over 15.7 million Americans now carry guns for self defense....accidental gun deaths...in 2015....489

15,700,000 vs. 489

Can you tell which number is bigger?
 
If the bullet hasn't left the barrel, if the knife hasn't cut flesh, if my actions have not infringed on the rights of another, there is no crime, only leftist bastards who think they know the future and of course, what's best for everyone else.

Screw your prognostication. To hell with your meddling in the lives of others.

33,000 gun deaths and 70,000 gun injuries a year. $270,000,000,000 in economic losses due to gun violence. I think your fetish has too high a price tag for the rest of us.


And add to this list 25,000 lives saved by Americans using guns...

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
========================

Gun Accidental death.....
2015


489

==================

Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2015--

9,616

=======================

Suicide
So you lie....you hide what the numbers actually are...and you lie about suicide as the highest number of gun deaths...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Gun Accidental Death...

Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 489 accidental gun deaths....

Gun murder
Of the 9,616 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....

Non-fatal gun accidents....
WISQARS Nonfatal Injury Reports

CDC non fatal gun accident.....

2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

2015... 17,311

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No, not due to "gun violence" anymore than road deaths are due to car violence. Murder is due to assholes shooting people...or running another over.

Big difference.

We need cars. We don't need guns.
So, you didn't grow up in rural farm country where just about every other meal was harvested from the fields or waterways?

No, I didn't grow up in backwards ass rural areas where people's family trees don't fork. Gratefully.

That said, I don't care if one grows up in Manhattan with every meal provided by servants. We have a fundamental right to defend ourselves, particularly against tyrannical assholes that would seek to prevent that fundamental right.

Molon Labe, I dare you.

I can't emphasize enough what a complete stupid fuck that statement makes you sound like.

If the government decides it wants you dead, IT WILL KILL YOU. And it will usually do it with no repercussions.

Just ask Philandro Castille (had a gun permit, was compliant, got shot 8 times anyway).

And a jury let him walk.


If we're going to ban things because of what they might do, I say we ban collectivists. You assholes have killed more people throughout history than any firearm hanging over a fireplace.

Okay, you need to put down the John Bircher Porn. You guys won the Cold War and demolished the middle class. You should be happy now.. until a poor person excercises his second amendment right to rob you at gunpoint.
 
There are plenty of good reasons for people to own a firearm, however we don't need any reason because of the 2nd amendment.

And again, you want them to have all the power over normal people.

Make up your mind.

No, actually, I want both.

You see, the reason why these bad cops can get away with shooting people is 'I thought he had a gun!!" Even if he didn't have a gun, even if he had a permit for that gun, even if he as completely compliant, even if it was only a toy "I thought he had a gun" is usually a pretty good reason for a jury to let them off, unless you have video of the guy shooting him in the back or while he's lying on the ground.

While I'm not very sympathetic to the "Blue Lives Matter" assholes who think that their career choices entitle them to behavior that the rest of us would go to jail for, they kind of have a point that they never know who has a gun and who doesn't.
 
And add to this list 25,000 lives saved by Americans using guns...

Sppppppppooooooge.

Okay, here's the thing. There are 500,000 suicide attempts a year. Of those, only about 50,000 or 10% are successful.

People who attempt suicide by gun are 90% successful.

People who attempt suicide by other methods, not so much, and they usually don't try again.

So, yeah, maybe most of the people who want to commit suicide will try other methods on that happy day we stand up the National Rampage Association and get rid of the guns.

But most of them won't succeed, and they'll probably get the help they need.
 
And add to this list 25,000 lives saved by Americans using guns...

Sppppppppooooooge.

Okay, here's the thing. There are 500,000 suicide attempts a year. Of those, only about 50,000 or 10% are successful.

People who attempt suicide by gun are 90% successful.

People who attempt suicide by other methods, not so much, and they usually don't try again.

So, yeah, maybe most of the people who want to commit suicide will try other methods on that happy day we stand up the National Rampage Association and get rid of the guns.

But most of them won't succeed, and they'll probably get the help they need.
suicide is a choice and we all know you can't stand people having freedom of choice
 
No, not due to "gun violence" anymore than road deaths are due to car violence. Murder is due to assholes shooting people...or running another over.

Big difference.

We need cars. We don't need guns.
So, you didn't grow up in rural farm country where just about every other meal was harvested from the fields or waterways?

No, I didn't grow up in backwards ass rural areas where people's family trees don't fork. Gratefully.

That said, I don't care if one grows up in Manhattan with every meal provided by servants. We have a fundamental right to defend ourselves, particularly against tyrannical assholes that would seek to prevent that fundamental right.

Molon Labe, I dare you.

I can't emphasize enough what a complete stupid fuck that statement makes you sound like.

If the government decides it wants you dead, IT WILL KILL YOU. And it will usually do it with no repercussions.

Just ask Philandro Castille (had a gun permit, was compliant, got shot 8 times anyway).

And a jury let him walk.


If we're going to ban things because of what they might do, I say we ban collectivists. You assholes have killed more people throughout history than any firearm hanging over a fireplace.

Okay, you need to put down the John Bircher Porn. You guys won the Cold War and demolished the middle class. You should be happy now.. until a poor person excercises his second amendment right to rob you at gunpoint.


Guns save more lives than they take in this country.....Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives and to stop violent criminal attack...according to bill clinton and barak obama.....

We also know, from 20 years of reality, that they do not increase the crime rate or the gun crime rate when law abiding people own them...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
 
No, not due to "gun violence" anymore than road deaths are due to car violence. Murder is due to assholes shooting people...or running another over.

Big difference.

We need cars. We don't need guns.
So, you didn't grow up in rural farm country where just about every other meal was harvested from the fields or waterways?

No, I didn't grow up in backwards ass rural areas where people's family trees don't fork. Gratefully.

That said, I don't care if one grows up in Manhattan with every meal provided by servants. We have a fundamental right to defend ourselves, particularly against tyrannical assholes that would seek to prevent that fundamental right.

Molon Labe, I dare you.

I can't emphasize enough what a complete stupid fuck that statement makes you sound like.

If the government decides it wants you dead, IT WILL KILL YOU. And it will usually do it with no repercussions.

Just ask Philandro Castille (had a gun permit, was compliant, got shot 8 times anyway).

And a jury let him walk.


If we're going to ban things because of what they might do, I say we ban collectivists. You assholes have killed more people throughout history than any firearm hanging over a fireplace.

Okay, you need to put down the John Bircher Porn. You guys won the Cold War and demolished the middle class. You should be happy now.. until a poor person excercises his second amendment right to rob you at gunpoint.

Just ask Philandro Castille (had a gun permit, was compliant, got shot 8 times anyway).

There are over 15,700,000 people with concealed carry permits in the United States.........let's check your math....

15,700,000 v. 1 shooting where they guy didn't listen to the cop....

The numbers say you don't know what you are talking about...
 
And add to this list 25,000 lives saved by Americans using guns...

Sppppppppooooooge.

Okay, here's the thing. There are 500,000 suicide attempts a year. Of those, only about 50,000 or 10% are successful.

People who attempt suicide by gun are 90% successful.

People who attempt suicide by other methods, not so much, and they usually don't try again.

So, yeah, maybe most of the people who want to commit suicide will try other methods on that happy day we stand up the National Rampage Association and get rid of the guns.

But most of them won't succeed, and they'll probably get the help they need.


For the last two years non gun suicide out numbered gun suicide.....you don't know what you are talking about...

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
===============
 
And add to this list 25,000 lives saved by Americans using guns...

Sppppppppooooooge.

Okay, here's the thing. There are 500,000 suicide attempts a year. Of those, only about 50,000 or 10% are successful.

People who attempt suicide by gun are 90% successful.

People who attempt suicide by other methods, not so much, and they usually don't try again.

So, yeah, maybe most of the people who want to commit suicide will try other methods on that happy day we stand up the National Rampage Association and get rid of the guns.

But most of them won't succeed, and they'll probably get the help they need.


Guns have nothing to do with suicide rates...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.
 
And add to this list 25,000 lives saved by Americans using guns...

Sppppppppooooooge.

Okay, here's the thing. There are 500,000 suicide attempts a year. Of those, only about 50,000 or 10% are successful.

People who attempt suicide by gun are 90% successful.

People who attempt suicide by other methods, not so much, and they usually don't try again.

So, yeah, maybe most of the people who want to commit suicide will try other methods on that happy day we stand up the National Rampage Association and get rid of the guns.

But most of them won't succeed, and they'll probably get the help they need.


And more on suicide...showing that you don't know what you are talking about....actual numbers from other countries with strict to absolute gun control...

Japan, China, Korea, absolute gun control for law abiding people, only criminals and cops can have guns....and their suicide rates are higher than ours...

And what about Europe....?

Main tables - Eurostat

May, 2014

France....14.13

Finland...14.55

Poland....15.51

Belgium....17.28

Austria....15.26


U.S.....13.00 (Products - Data Briefs - Number 241 - April 2016)

Products - Data Briefs - Number 241 - April 2016

Percentages of suicides involving firearms and poisoning declined from 1999 through 2014, while suicides involving suffocation increased.

World suicide rates by country

World suicide rates by country

Per 100,000


Hungary ... 21.0
Belgium .... 18.4
Finland... 16.5
France... 14.6
Poland... 13.8
Austria... 13.8
Czech Republic... 12.7
New Zealand.... 11.9
Denmark... 11.3
Sweden..............11.1
Norway...............10.9
Iceland................10.4
Germany.............10.3
Canada...............10.2

United States.......10.1

 
No, not due to "gun violence" anymore than road deaths are due to car violence. Murder is due to assholes shooting people...or running another over.

Big difference.

We need cars. We don't need guns.
So, you didn't grow up in rural farm country where just about every other meal was harvested from the fields or waterways?

No, I didn't grow up in backwards ass rural areas where people's family trees don't fork. Gratefully.

That said, I don't care if one grows up in Manhattan with every meal provided by servants. We have a fundamental right to defend ourselves, particularly against tyrannical assholes that would seek to prevent that fundamental right.

Molon Labe, I dare you.

I can't emphasize enough what a complete stupid fuck that statement makes you sound like.

If the government decides it wants you dead, IT WILL KILL YOU. And it will usually do it with no repercussions.

Just ask Philandro Castille (had a gun permit, was compliant, got shot 8 times anyway).

And a jury let him walk.


If we're going to ban things because of what they might do, I say we ban collectivists. You assholes have killed more people throughout history than any firearm hanging over a fireplace.

Okay, you need to put down the John Bircher Porn. You guys won the Cold War and demolished the middle class. You should be happy now.. until a poor person excercises his second amendment right to rob you at gunpoint.

Everyone notice the only retort from the lefty are ad hominem attacks?

Shocking, no?

Molon Labe mother fucker.
 
suicide is a choice and we all know you can't stand people having freedom of choice

Yes, while I'd have no problem with Libertarian Assholes offing themselves because they've been told they have to work and play well with others, that actually would be a bit harsh.

Guns save more lives than they take in this country.....Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives

No, they don't. DGU's are a lie.

Only 200 "Justified" gun homicides by civilians. Compared to 11,000 homicides and 22,000 suicides...

Just not worth it.
 
Everyone notice the only retort from the lefty are ad hominem attacks?

Shocking, no?

Molon Labe mother fucker.

Why don't you ask David Koresh how well that works.

waco1.jpg
 
suicide is a choice and we all know you can't stand people having freedom of choice

Yes, while I'd have no problem with Libertarian Assholes offing themselves because they've been told they have to work and play well with others, that actually would be a bit harsh.

Guns save more lives than they take in this country.....Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives

No, they don't. DGU's are a lie.

Only 200 "Justified" gun homicides by civilians. Compared to 11,000 homicides and 22,000 suicides...

Just not worth it.

your definition of working and playing well with others is you telling them to live their lives the way you want them to.

and why do you always ignore the fact that a person can use a gun in self defense and not kill anyone?

Oh yeah because it would prove that more people are actually saved by DGU than are murdered with guns
 
and why do you always ignore the fact that a person can use a gun in self defense and not kill anyone?

Because it almost never happens... I'm sure there's a lot of cases where soem redneck points his gun at some kids and calls it self-defense. But if you didn't have to kill him, he probably wasn't really a threat.
 
and why do you always ignore the fact that a person can use a gun in self defense and not kill anyone?

Because it almost never happens... I'm sure there's a lot of cases where soem redneck points his gun at some kids and calls it self-defense. But if you didn't have to kill him, he probably wasn't really a threat.
of course it happens

and he wasn't a threat until after a gun was pointed at him because even though you deny it piece of shit criminals use more than just guns to beat and kill their victims.

But like I said if I ever see you (or anyone else for that matter) getting beaten by a not much of a threat guy with a bat or a 2x4 you can be happy that I would never use my gun to save you because I respect your choice to be defenseless. I would call the cops and an ambulance for you and hope they got there before you got dead
 
suicide is a choice and we all know you can't stand people having freedom of choice

Yes, while I'd have no problem with Libertarian Assholes offing themselves because they've been told they have to work and play well with others, that actually would be a bit harsh.

Guns save more lives than they take in this country.....Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives

No, they don't. DGU's are a lie.

Only 200 "Justified" gun homicides by civilians. Compared to 11,000 homicides and 22,000 suicides...

Just not worth it.


Wrong...bill clinton's Department of Justice actually studied 'tis...the two anti gunners they hired to refute Dr. Kleck's work found on average Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent crimes......and obama gave 10 million dollars to his CDC, in 2013 to study all available gun research..they found defensive gun uses at 500,000 to 3 million a year...and those are two out of about a dozen actual studies...

The FBI doesn't do studies...they count bodies.....from submitted reports....and most defensive gun uses never require the gun to be fired....

You know this...so repeating what you did means you are lying.
 

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