Guns

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The AR15 has more velocity and effective range than an AK47.
It’s the gun: they don’t belong on the streets; the AR15 was designed as a combat weapon.

Be that as it may – AR 15s, AK 47s, and other semi-auto clones of combat and battle rifles and carbines aren’t going anywhere; they will always be available to the general public.

Whether it’s banning abortion or banning AR 15s, ‘bans’ don’t work – they’re ineffective and pointless, nothing but unwarranted government excess and overreach.

That doesn’t mean we’re helpless to do something about gun crime and violence, it means whatever the solution might be, it’s not going to involve bans and restricting access to firearms.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That is the stated goal of the libs, therefore we take it seriously.

Of course they're 'shooting themselves in the foot' every time they propose more restrictive gun laws as millions rush (are driven) to buy yet more guns.

No, it’s an idiotic lie propagated by you and others on the dishonest right.

Liberals own guns, enjoy the shooting sports, and possess firearms for lawful self-defense.

Liberals seek to neither ‘ban’ nor ‘confiscate’ guns.

Needless to say, dishonest conservatives will ignore these facts and continue to propagate their moronic lies.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, it’s an idiotic lie propagated by you and others on the dishonest right.

Liberals own guns, enjoy the shooting sports, and possess firearms for lawful self-defense.

Liberals seek to neither ‘ban’ nor ‘confiscate’ guns.

Needless to say, dishonest conservatives will ignore these facts and continue to propagate their moronic lies.

Of course not all libs are anti-gun. But those who are are liberals, and believe it or not many congresspersons are liberal and support restrictive gun laws. So, as Barry Goldwater voiced, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." So if we seem to be extreme it's in the defense of our constitutional gun liberties, and it's no vice.

 

[M14 Shooter]

All of the above proves just how wrong and dishonest conservatives are – propagating their moronic lies and fearmongering about guns being ‘banned’ and ‘confiscated.’

Why do you lie like this?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Liberals seek to neither ‘ban’ nor ‘confiscate’ guns.
Needless to say, dishonest conservativWhy do you lie like this?es will ignore these facts and continue to propagate their moronic lies.

Why do you lie like this?

 

[Captain Caveman]

So...you have no response...

A rich member of the House of Lords easily gets guns....to go quail hunting on one of their private estates with their other rich buddies.....but the woman in London can't get a gun to prevent herself from being gang raped in a london park.....or her apartment, or an alley.....

Again, you have no response.....

You keep repeating the same old shit, we keep covering the same old shit. And what do you do? You repeat the same the same old shit again. Are you fucking retard on purpose or is it a unique gift?

 

[Blues Man]

The others?

What about them?

Mass shootings account for 1% or less of all murders

 

[M14 Shooter]

You keep repeating the same old shit,...

And you keep ignoring responses you don't want to have to address.
Are you fucking retard on purpose or is it a unique gift?

 

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You failed to accept the answer.

That’s okay coward.

see ya next argument.

 

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Be that as it may – AR 15s, AK 47s, and other semi-auto clones of combat and battle rifles and carbines aren’t going anywhere; they will always be available to the general public.

Whether it’s banning abortion or banning AR 15s, ‘bans’ don’t work – they’re ineffective and pointless, nothing but unwarranted government excess and overreach.

That doesn’t mean we’re helpless to do something about gun crime and violence, it means whatever the solution might be, it’s not going to involve bans and restricting access to firearms.

Look at it like this: banning M16s can only be good for society.

 

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What about them?

Mass shootings account for 1% or less of all murders

How many mass shootings have brought down over 400 people?

 

[Blues Man]

The AR15 has more velocity and effective range than an AK47.
It’s the gun: they don’t belong on the streets; the AR15 was designed as a combat weapon.

So what you really mean is any rifle chambered for 5.56 mm NATO rounds should be banned right?

And you're wrong about the ranges

The 7.62 NATO round (.308 Win) has an effective range of 1000 yds

the 5.56 is about 500 yds but in reality 300 yds is about all you'll get because the bullet is so light

the effective range of an AK 47 is less because the rifle is just flat out less accurate

 

[Blues Man]

How many mass shootings have brought down over 400 people?

you tell me

 

[Woodznutz]

How many mass shootings have brought down over 400 people?

You don't see how confused and confusing your questions and responses are?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

At breakfast time, let's talk about guns. Issue not resolved, so lunchtime, let's talk about guns. Still not resolved, so let's talk about guns at supper time.

Government could go tyrannical (yawn), so let's talk guns. DON'T TAKE MY GUNS, I'LL KILL YOU. So next day, let's talk guns. Problem still not resolved, let's talk guns.

Every country doesn't have guns (according to Americans), just the US, so problem not resolved, let's talk guns. Inevitable civil war will happen at any moment (just like the world is going to end), so let's talk guns

..........

My question, why are you SO fucking obsessed with guns? I have never ever been to a country, nor on another country's forum where guns are so obsessive.

What is up with you guys? What's the question you're trying to resolve, can we finally discover the answer that puts the debate to bed?

Is that possible??

You created a red herring
Now if you want to talk about rights let's do it.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

A rich member of the House of Lords will easily get through the paperwork and legal red tape to get guns.....all the guns they want....of the tiny selection of hunting pieces allowed......so that they and their rich buddies can go to one of their several private estates to hunt quail....

Meanwhile....

the woman in London who is violently gang raped will never be able to own or carry a gun to prevent the gang rape.....

This situation makes total sense to you.....

It makes perfect sense to anyone who, like Captain Caveman or any other piece of shit on the left wrong, is on the side of violent criminals or tyrants, and against the side of human beings.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Precisely.

This forum is to highlight the same old same with guns. It's -

1. Independence, we kicked you Brits out over guns
2. Criminals don't follow rules
3. Other countries banned guns
4. Millions saved their life due to a gun
Etc..

And so we cover them. Regulation doesn't mean ban, the war was about taxation and the French helping etc.. and wasn't about guns, crime stats are low......and so on.

The the next day, "We kicked you Brits out, criminals don't follow rules .......". It's as though the previous conversations never took place, it just goes on and on and on, washed, rinsed, repeated.

And my thread is, Why? Why can't Americans with guns retain this information in their heads, why distort it, why change it, why repeat it?

So a person doing that must be one of two things. They either have a game plan, an agenda, or, their IQ is very very low, lower than Bidens [sic ] approval figures. But it's the former, game plans and agendas. After a billion times, it gets rather tedious and nauseating.

Those are all entirely valid arguments against criminal-loving filth such as yourself who want to disarm human beings to make us easier prey for criminals.

Dismissing those arguments without addressing them will not make them go away.

That you are openly on the side of criminals, openly on the side of tyrants, and openly against the side of actual human beings is more than enough reason why no human being should ever take any position of yours seriously.

And that you are a British piece of shit, a pathetic relic of the degenerate culture which we Americans rejected in order to found out country, is more than enough reason why you should just shut the fuck up about anything to do with how we Americans should run our country.

 

[Woodznutz]

The AR15 has more velocity and effective range than an AK47.
It’s the gun: they don’t belong on the streets; the AR15 was designed as a combat weapon.

You do realize that the "street" is controlled by the gangsta subculture. How would you remove these weapons from them?

 

[Woodznutz]

Look at it like this: banning M16s can only be good for society.

Not for M16 owners.

 

[westwall]

Vietnam taught you nothing.

It taught YOU nothing.

DURRRR