Hamas to execute two Palestinians who collaberated with Israel

[toastman]

Palestine is defined by international borders.

What were you saying?

Just the other day you told me Palestine became a state in 1988. Make up your mind.
Palestine was not a state back during the Zionist immigration. (Are they even a state/country now??)

And why did the U.N propose a partition plan in 1947 for the Jews and Palestinian Arabs if Palestine was already a state with international borders?

Why would they want to divide Palestine if there was no Palestine?

Because they weren't dividing Palestine, they we dividing The British Mandate of Palestine.

Next question..

 

[P F Tinmore]

Just the other day you told me Palestine became a state in 1988. Make up your mind.
Palestine was not a state back during the Zionist immigration. (Are they even a state/country now??)

And why did the U.N propose a partition plan in 1947 for the Jews and Palestinian Arabs if Palestine was already a state with international borders?

Why would they want to divide Palestine if there was no Palestine?

Because they weren't dividing Palestine, they we dividing The British Mandate of Palestine.

Next question..

The British mandate was not a place. It was assigned to Palestine to render administrative assistance and advice. When the mandate left, Palestine was still there.

 

[toastman]

Why would they want to divide Palestine if there was no Palestine?

Because they weren't dividing Palestine, they we dividing The British Mandate of Palestine.

Next question..

The British mandate was not a place. It was assigned to Palestine to render administrative assistance and advice. When the mandate left, Palestine was still there.

But it was not a country. You remember, they REFUSED the partition plan and never ended up declaring statehood

 

[Kondor3]

"...Palestine is defined by international borders..."

Show us a map of those borders, Tinny, along with the date (or, at least, year, even if it is only an approximation) that such borders went into effect...

 

[toastman]

"...Palestine is defined by international borders..."

Show us a map of those borders, Tinny, along with the date (or, at least, year, even if it is only an approximation) that such borders went into effect...

No such information exists.

 

[Indofred]

The really odd thing -only the JP carries this story.
Either they're ahead of the rest of the world's press or they made it up.

Oh it's true alright. .

Excellent news.

Please link to a non biased news site showing your claim is true.

I see no one can provide a link so I assume this is just another lie job from the JP.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"...Palestine is defined by international borders..."

Show us a map of those borders, Tinny, along with the date (or, at least, year, even if it is only an approximation) that such borders went into effect...

Look at the legend for international boundaries then find those boundaries on the map. The final border was defined in 1922 when the territory was divided into Palestine and Transjordan.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because they weren't dividing Palestine, they we dividing The British Mandate of Palestine.

Next question..

The British mandate was not a place. It was assigned to Palestine to render administrative assistance and advice. When the mandate left, Palestine was still there.

But it was not a country. You remember, they REFUSED the partition plan and never ended up declaring statehood

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT


28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

 

[toastman]

Again , they refused the partition plan and did not declare statehood. I'm assuming that's mainly because of the following Arab Israeli war.
And you didnt answer Kondors question as to how the borders were acquired. When was the border with Egypt defined ? Syria? Lebanon ?

 

[Roudy]

The British mandate was not a place. It was assigned to Palestine to render administrative assistance and advice. When the mandate left, Palestine was still there.

But it was not a country. You remember, they REFUSED the partition plan and never ended up declaring statehood

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT


28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

That map is comedy in action and so is the cable. Ahmed doesn't get to divide the area according to the Nazi Mufti's desires. LOL

This is the way the area was supposed to be divided, AFTER they gave all of Jordan to the "ARAB PALESTNIANS".

 

[Kondor3]

"...Palestine is defined by international borders..."

Show us a map of those borders, Tinny, along with the date (or, at least, year, even if it is only an approximation) that such borders went into effect...

...

Look at the legend for international boundaries then find those boundaries on the map. The final border was defined in 1922 when the territory was divided into Palestine and Transjordan.

OK, now we're on to something...

Now, who was it that divided that territory into Palestine and Transjordan in 1922?

It was Great Britain - the UK - with the idea rubber-stamped by the League of Nations.

The Administrative division of Trans-Jordan that was colloquially known as Palestine for 26 or 27 years (1922 - 1948 Israelis Independence, or 1922 - 1949 UN Admission of Israel) was never a country in its own right but was a short-lived artificial construct - an Administrative Creature of British Oversight.

At best, it was a subjugated province of the British Empire, ruled with an iron hand, and administered-in-detail with the help of local Arab collaborators with the British.

You are showing us a map of an artificial construct - an Imperial province - not an independent and autonomous nation.

 

[Kondor3]

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT


28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

=====================================

Tinny...

You are constantly telling us that the Arab-Palestinians did not approve of the Jewish declaration of Statehood, and that such approval was necessary, to make it legal.

So, in all fairness, where is the Jewish approval of the Arab declaration, above, to make it legal?

Of course, October 1948 was just a wee-bit too late, wasn't it? The Jews had declared Statehood in May 1948, five months earlier.

Perhaps if the Arabs had been as quick and alert and paying as good an attention to detail as the Jews, they would have declared on that same day, when the British Mandate ended.

A day late and a shekel short... well, five months, actually.

Asleep at the switch? Lose your place in line. Better luck next time.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But it was not a country. You remember, they REFUSED the partition plan and never ended up declaring statehood

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT


28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

That map is comedy in action and so is the cable. Ahmed doesn't get to divide the area according to the Nazi Mufti's desires. LOL

This is the way the area was supposed to be divided, AFTER they gave all of Jordan to the "ARAB PALESTNIANS".

Too bad that stupid plan flopped.

Both imperial powers tried to rule through established elites, although the British were much more willing than the French to move their mandates forward towards a qualified form of independence. At the specific, local level, though, Fieldhouse finds no parallel in his wide knowledge of imperial practice elsewhere to compare to the disastrous experiment in social and political engineering undertaken by the British in Palestine. Here, he pulls no punches in his criticisms. The Palestine mandate was, ‘probably the most ignominious failure of its kind in British imperial history, the first time that Britain had ended its rule without leaving an established government behind it’ (pp. 344–5).

Western Imperialism in the Middle East, 1914?1958 | Reviews in History

 

[P F Tinmore]

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT


28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

=====================================

Tinny...

You are constantly telling us that the Arab-Palestinians did not approve of the Jewish declaration of Statehood, and that such approval was necessary, to make it legal.

That is true.

So, in all fairness, where is the Jewish approval of the Arab declaration, above, to make it legal?

That was not necessary.

Of course, October 1948 was just a wee-bit too late, wasn't it? The Jews had declared Statehood in May 1948, five months earlier.

Declared where? Israel didn't declare its borders and still has no borders.

Palestine, on the other hand, was declared inside its international borders.

Perhaps if the Arabs had been as quick and alert and paying as good an attention to detail as the Jews, they would have declared on that same day, when the British Mandate ended.

The question is not when, it is who had the authority. Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants. Israel is a foreign power imposed on Palestine by military force with no legal standing to do so.

Palestine was declared by representatives of the native population in accordance with the internationally recognized right to self determination.

A day late and a shekel short... well, five months, actually.

Asleep at the switch? Lose your place in line. Better luck next time.

Irrelevant.

 

[toastman]

Tinmore with the same bullshit lies.
Israel exists and it does have borders. How soon you forget the spanking you got by Rocco in the Seek Justice Pursue Peace Thread when you started making those "Israel has no land or borders thread"
You're just mad because you're a pro Palestinian and nothing has ever worked out for the Palestinians so you take it out on Israel and fabricate the truth .

 

[toastman]

AN once again, you have not answered the question about the Palestinian border with Egypt, LEbanon and Syria. How did those borders come to be ???

 

[High_Gravity]

Hamas to execute 2 Palestinians linked with Israel | JPost | Israel News

How'dya like them "human rights" that are being observed by the Palestinians now? Wow, what a bastion of law and order. LOL

The Palestinians want a democracy with equal rights for all, Tinmore told me so!

 

[P F Tinmore]

AN once again, you have not answered the question about the Palestinian border with Egypt, LEbanon and Syria. How did those borders come to be ???

The border with Egypt was set by agreement with the Ottoman Empire in 1906. That border was honored after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

The borders with Lebanon and Syria were set the same way their borders were created.

 

[HistoryBefore67]

AN once again, you have not answered the question about the Palestinian border with Egypt, LEbanon and Syria. How did those borders come to be ???

The border with Egypt was set by agreement with the Ottoman Empire in 1906. That border was honored after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

The borders with Lebanon and Syria were set the same way their borders were created.

You know, PFT, every time I look at your avatar it makes me sad.

To think that the adorable child in your arms is going to grow up listening to your views.

As the song goes...

Would you teach him about Heaven?
Would you show him how to love the Earth?
Would poison him with prejudice, from the moment of his birth?

 

[toastman]

AN once again, you have not answered the question about the Palestinian border with Egypt, LEbanon and Syria. How did those borders come to be ???

The border with Egypt was set by agreement with the Ottoman Empire in 1906. That border was honored after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

The borders with Lebanon and Syria were set the same way their borders were created.

Well then provide a link please.