Happy Hiroshima Day!

[Markle]

The point was to defeat the enemy and end the war with minimal casualties to ourselves. It succeeded.

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On the contrary, had fdr not ignored overtures for surrender long before, many thousands of American servicemen might not have been killed.

Zero peace overtures. In fact, the military attempted a coup after the Emperor wanted to surrender after Nagasaki.

100% Accurate! What a refreshing post!

 

[Weatherman2020]

The point was to defeat the enemy and end the war with minimal casualties to ourselves. It succeeded.

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On the contrary, had fdr not ignored overtures for surrender long before, many thousands of American servicemen might not have been killed.

Zero peace overtures. In fact, the military attempted a coup after the Emperor wanted to surrender after Nagasaki.

The Japs [sic] did not see there situation as "hopeless" in the least.

Sure, they realized that they were the underdogs by August 1945.

But they WERE working on new secret weapons themselves that they thought might turn around the war. And extending the war by forcing America to endure casualties we weren't accustomed to in the Invasion Angle, were hoped to reduce American resolve.

You're using your imagination, not history.

The Japanese population was starving and had long since tired of the war.

Some people (like those who can't discuss history without using ethnic slurs) who lack the moral courage to face the reality of the decision we made to end the war struggle to imagine any reason that let's them believe "there was no choice!"

Citizens may have tired, but the military wanted to fight to the last man standing.

 

[Markle]

The point was to defeat the enemy and end the war with minimal casualties to ourselves. It succeeded.

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On the contrary, had fdr not ignored overtures for surrender long before, many thousands of American servicemen might not have been killed.

Zero peace overtures. In fact, the military attempted a coup after the Emperor wanted to surrender after Nagasaki.

The Japs [sic] did not see there situation as "hopeless" in the least.

Sure, they realized that they were the underdogs by August 1945.

But they WERE working on new secret weapons themselves that they thought might turn around the war. And extending the war by forcing America to endure casualties we weren't accustomed to in the Invasion Angle, were hoped to reduce American resolve.

You're using your imagination, not history.

The Japanese population was starving and had long since tired of the war.

Some people (like those who can't discuss history without using ethnic slurs) who lack the moral courage to face the reality of the decision we made to end the war struggle to imagine any reason that let's them believe "there was no choice!"

Citizens may have tired, but the military wanted to fight to the last man standing.

No, the citizens wanted the fight to continue. They were convinced by the Emperor on down to the private citizen that the Americans would rape and murder all citizens.

This is a major reason for that belief.

The Battle of Okinawa demonstrated the fierceness of the Japanese and how far they would go before giving ground. The battle was fought from April 1 to June 22, 1945. U.S. troops suffered nearly 50,000 casualties of which approximately one quarter were deaths. The Japanese, on the other hand, lost about 100,000 of 110,000 men. The largest amphibious campaign of the Pacific War also claimed heavy civilian casualties as an estimated 100,000 civilians were killed by the end of the campaign. According to many historians, the Battle of Okinawa had a major influence on the US decision to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki as it clearly revealed that the invasion of Japan would claim huge casualties on both sides.
List of 10 Greatest Battles of the Pacific War - History Lists

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The point was to defeat the enemy and end the war with minimal casualties to ourselves. It succeeded.

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On the contrary, had fdr not ignored overtures for surrender long before, many thousands of American servicemen might not have been killed.

Zero peace overtures. In fact, the military attempted a coup after the Emperor wanted to surrender after Nagasaki.

The Japs [sic] did not see there situation as "hopeless" in the least.

Sure, they realized that they were the underdogs by August 1945.

But they WERE working on new secret weapons themselves that they thought might turn around the war. And extending the war by forcing America to endure casualties we weren't accustomed to in the Invasion Angle, were hoped to reduce American resolve.

You're using your imagination, not history.

The Japanese population was starving and had long since tired of the war.

Some people (like those who can't discuss history without using ethnic slurs) who lack the moral courage to face the reality of the decision we made to end the war struggle to imagine any reason that let's them believe "there was no choice!"

Citizens may have tired, but the military wanted to fight to the last man standing.

Bushido had a profound effect on the Japanese military of that time.

 

[Unkotare]

More comic book understanding of history.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

A day that shall live in infamy.

Shame.

Mass murder of defenseless women and children, is nothing short of the most heinous thing a nation can do.

The invasion of the Japanese mainland would have been a lot worse.

 

[Unkotare]

A day that shall live in infamy.

Shame.

Mass murder of defenseless women and children, is nothing short of the most heinous thing a nation can do.

The invasion of the Japanese mainland would have been a lot worse.

That was not the only other option.

 

[karpenter]

 

[there4eyeM]

The anniversary of these atrocities is hardly a 'happy' day.

 

[karpenter]

Look
Everyone Was Leveling Everyone Else's Cities
Kiddies And All
-- Except Our's
These Weren't Even The Deadliest Bombing Raids Of The War
These Were Unique Because It Was One Bomb Each

The Women And Children Were Being Trained To Fight An Invasion
The Japanese War Lords
Were As Maniacal As Adolph Sending Children Out To Face The Red Army
What About The Psyches Of Our 17-18yr Olds Going In
We Aren't Raised To Be Women/Children Slaughtering Monsters
Those Bombs Helped End The War

And That's That

 

[gipper]

A day that shall live in infamy.

Shame.

Mass murder of defenseless women and children, is nothing short of the most heinous thing a nation can do.

The invasion of the Japanese mainland would have been a lot worse.

Why invade? Are you an imperialist?

The myths will never die, sadly. The ruling class knows they can always dupe a large percentage of the population. It’s easy.

Five myths about the atomic bomb
1. The bomb ended the war.
2. The bomb saved half a million American lives.
3. The only alternative to the bomb was an invasion of Japan.
4. The Japanese were warned before the bomb was dropped.
5. The bomb was timed to gain a diplomatic advantage over Russia and proved a “master card” in early Cold War politics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e5-b673-1df005a0fb28_story.html?noredirect=on

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

A day that shall live in infamy.

Shame.

Mass murder of defenseless women and children, is nothing short of the most heinous thing a nation can do.

The invasion of the Japanese mainland would have been a lot worse.

Why invade? Are you an imperialist?

The myths will never die, sadly. The ruling class knows they can always dupe a large percentage of the population. It’s easy.

Five myths about the atomic bomb
1. The bomb ended the war.
2. The bomb saved half a million American lives.
3. The only alternative to the bomb was an invasion of Japan.
4. The Japanese were warned before the bomb was dropped.
5. The bomb was timed to gain a diplomatic advantage over Russia and proved a “master card” in early Cold War politics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e5-b673-1df005a0fb28_story.html?noredirect=on

If the Atomic Bomb Had Not Been Used

 

[gipper]

A day that shall live in infamy.

Shame.

Mass murder of defenseless women and children, is nothing short of the most heinous thing a nation can do.

The invasion of the Japanese mainland would have been a lot worse.

Why invade? Are you an imperialist?

The myths will never die, sadly. The ruling class knows they can always dupe a large percentage of the population. It’s easy.

Five myths about the atomic bomb
1. The bomb ended the war.
2. The bomb saved half a million American lives.
3. The only alternative to the bomb was an invasion of Japan.
4. The Japanese were warned before the bomb was dropped.
5. The bomb was timed to gain a diplomatic advantage over Russia and proved a “master card” in early Cold War politics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e5-b673-1df005a0fb28_story.html?noredirect=on

If the Atomic Bomb Had Not Been Used

The myth continues in the face of the truth.

 

[rightwinger]

We had the bomb

We were going to win anyway. Was is necessary to kill 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and then kill 70,000 in Nagasaki a few days later?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

We had the bomb

We were going to win anyway. Was is necessary to kill 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and then kill 70,000 in Nagasaki a few days later?

The Conservative estimates for the land invasion of Japan was 5 million dead civilians with the US taking 200,000 casualties.

 

[Markle]

The anniversary of these atrocities is hardly a 'happy' day.

Why not?

The two bombs saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives and ended WWII. How is that not a cause for celebration?

 

[Markle]

We had the bomb

We were going to win anyway. Was is necessary to kill 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and then kill 70,000 in Nagasaki a few days later?

As opposed to at least another million deaths between Russia, Japan, and the US over the next year of ruthless fighting.

 

[harmonica]

We had the bomb

We were going to win anyway. Was is necessary to kill 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and then kill 70,000 in Nagasaki a few days later?

and wait how long???!!
....the Germans didn't surrender until the Russians were in Berlin--and the Germans did not fight to the death like the Japanese did !!!

..we had already killed hundreds of thousands of civilians BEFORE the Abombs--and they were not surrendering
..the Abombs saved more than if we invaded
..look at the size of Okinawa--that battle lasted over 2 months
then look at Japan--HUGE size difference--would've taken a LOOOOOONG time
...

 

[gipper]

We had the bomb

We were going to win anyway. Was is necessary to kill 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and then kill 70,000 in Nagasaki a few days later?

and wait how long???!!
....the Germans didn't surrender until the Russians were in Berlin--and the Germans did not fight to the death like the Japanese did !!!

..we had already killed hundreds of thousands of civilians BEFORE the Abombs--and they were not surrendering
..the Abombs saved more than if we invaded
..look at the size of Okinawa--that battle lasted over 2 months
then look at Japan--HUGE size difference--would've taken a LOOOOOONG time
...

No need to invade, unless you are an imperialist.

 

[harmonica]

We had the bomb

We were going to win anyway. Was is necessary to kill 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and then kill 70,000 in Nagasaki a few days later?

and wait how long???!!
....the Germans didn't surrender until the Russians were in Berlin--and the Germans did not fight to the death like the Japanese did !!!

..we had already killed hundreds of thousands of civilians BEFORE the Abombs--and they were not surrendering
..the Abombs saved more than if we invaded
..look at the size of Okinawa--that battle lasted over 2 months
then look at Japan--HUGE size difference--would've taken a LOOOOOONG time
...

No need to invade, unless you are an imperialist.

then no surrender --DUH