Happy Hiroshima Day!

[Unkotare]

Not all that far off.

What is considered the most accurate casualty estimate after the Battle of Okinawa was the Shockley Report. He was asked to prepare it because Secretary Stimson was questioning those that he had been getting from the military. Especially when most of the ones he had read prior to operations in Saipan, Guadalcanal, Okinawa, and almost every single other campaign in the Pacific were horribly inaccurate and had casualties many times higher.

And his report was sobering to many in the War Department. He estimated that Operation Downfall (the invasion of the Home Islands) would result in over 2 million Allied casualties, and between half a million and one million Allied deaths.

And the numbers for the Japanese were even more horrific. With between five and ten million Japanese deaths.

And that is not even counting the suicides. Over 1,000 Japanese civilians, mostly farmers and fishermen killed themselves and their entire families at Saipan. Roughly 1 in 25 elected suicide over surrender, and that was among a population of agrarian peasants on an island. Does anybody really think that the results would have been any different on the much more fanatical home islands?

If fdr hadn't been such a bloodthirsty bastard none of those battles may have happened at all.

 

[Flash]

No, the citizens wanted the fight to continue. They were convinced by the Emperor on down to the private citizen that the Americans would rape and murder all citizens.

This is a major reason for that belief.

The Battle of Okinawa demonstrated the fierceness of the Japanese and how far they would go before giving ground. The battle was fought from April 1 to June 22, 1945. U.S. troops suffered nearly 50,000 casualties of which approximately one quarter were deaths. The Japanese, on the other hand, lost about 100,000 of 110,000 men. The largest amphibious campaign of the Pacific War also claimed heavy civilian casualties as an estimated 100,000 civilians were killed by the end of the campaign. According to many historians, the Battle of Okinawa had a major influence on the US decision to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki as it clearly revealed that the invasion of Japan would claim huge casualties on both sides.
List of 10 Greatest Battles of the Pacific War - History Lists

The Battle of Okinawa sealed the fate for the Japs to be nuked.

By then it was certain that the Japs were going to lose.

They could have surrendered and the war would have been over but they didn't do that. Instead they decided to take a "fight to the last man" approach. The allies knew further Jap resistance would cause horrific casualties.

The nukes were a way to quickly end it.

The Japs have nobody to blame but themselves. They started the goddamn war and they got their asses kicked. There is a lesson there. If you don't want your ass kicked don't start something you can't finish.

 

[Flash]

No, the citizens wanted the fight to continue. They were convinced by the Emperor on down to the private citizen that the Americans would rape and murder all citizens.

They were wrong, weren't they? The Americans treated the Japs very well after the war.

Another example of a filthy ass government lying to its people.

Kind of like we are seeing now in the US, huh?

 

[K9Buck]

The Americans treated the Japs very well after the war.

How the U.S. (MacArthur) transformed Japan after WW 2 was possibly our nation's greatest, non-military, foreign policy success.

 

[Flash]

How the U.S. (MacArthur) transformed Japan after WW 2 was possibly our nation's greatest, non-military, foreign policy success.

It was.

However, a lot more Japs should have been executed for the things that they did during the war and that shithead Emperor should have been hanged in a public square for allowing the brutality.

 

[K9Buck]

It was.

However, a lot more Japs should have been executed for the things that they did during the war and that shithead Emperor should have been hanged in a public square for allowing the brutality.

Killing the emperor would have ended badly for us, even if he deserved it.

 

[gipper]

Hilarious. What a maroon.
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Yeah. Kill those defenseless women and children based on a lie. Too stupid.

They had been bombing Japan for many months. Destroyed all military installations, but somehow they missed this. So many Americans have become blood thirsty idiots. Think for a change.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yeah. Kill those defenseless women and children based on a lie. Too stupid.

They had been bombing Japan for many months. Destroyed all military installations, but somehow they missed this. So many Americans have become blood thirsty idiots. Think for a change.

Shitforbrains thinks we should not have defended ourselves. Those ‘civilians’ would have died during banzai charges.

Obviously you love evil, especially what Japan did to civilians.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yeah. Kill those defenseless women and children based on a lie. Too stupid.

They had been bombing Japan for many months. Destroyed all military installations, but somehow they missed this. So many Americans have become blood thirsty idiots. Think for a change.

Ever meet a man who murdered his wife and children because he thought the Americans would do horrible things to them?

 

[Flash]

Killing the emperor would have ended badly for us, even if he deserved it.

I understand and MacArthur did the right thing but a lot more Japs deserved punishment than got it.

 

[gipper]

Shitforbrains thinks we should not have defended ourselves. Those ‘civilians’ would have died during banzai charges.

Obviously you love evil, especially what Japan did to civilians.

You are the consummate dumb American. Too bad there are so many like you.

It’s very simple my dear simpleton. Mass murdering defenseless women and children is ALWAYS a war crime.

You who hates the D Party supports a D potus mass murdering. Hypocrite!

 

[Unkotare]

Nothing wrong with killing civilians to encourage maniacs to surrender.

Would you feel the same way if that reasoning were turned against our nation?

 

[gipper]

Nothing wrong with killing civilians to encourage maniacs to surrender.

The maniac was Dirty Harry Truman.

 

[Unkotare]

I understand and MacArthur did the right thing but a lot more Japanese deserved punishment than got it.

Do you think MacArthur did the right thing when he encouraged fdr to investigate overtures to surrender prior to Yalta?

 

[Weatherman2020]

You are the consummate dumb American. Too bad there are so many like you.

It’s very simple my dear simpleton. Mass murdering defenseless women and children is ALWAYS a war crime.

You who hates the D Party supports a D potus mass murdering. Hypocrite!

Using civilians as a shield is the first war crime if you want to be technical. I have no doubt you think airmen parachuting into Japan we’re treated fairly.
I have no doubt the women in the rape camps for Japanese soldiers were appreciative.
I bet you also don’t know about the coup attempt after the 2 nukes to keep the war going.

 

[harmonica]

gipper wrong..it SAVED more lives than if we had to invade

 

[Anathema]

Mass murder of defenseless women and children, is nothing short of the most heinous thing a nation can do.

As a student of military history and tactics I have to tell you: There are NO innocents in a war zone; only allies and enemies. If an individual is not a proven ally, they are an enemy; pure and simple.,

 

[Unkotare]

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They could have surrendered and the war would have been over but they didn't do that. ...

Overtures to surrender had been floated via the Russians and through Swiss envoys, but the bloodthirsty fdr rejected the notion out of hand.

 

[harmonica]

Third Party it was necessary--we've had mucho threads on it

 

[harmonica]

gipper study!! hHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHH
that's the problem--you think it's like a board game, or classroom study ..........and it's not