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Only in campaign speeches, just like he was against federal deficits in campaign speeches. No federal legislation was passed transferring federal land to the states during St Ronnie's regime, and he tripled the national debt.And that elected representative was none less than St Ronnie!!!!!Exactly. Don't forget, conservatives repeatedly assert that the right to property is a unalienable, natural right; that would include the right of the People's federal government to own property. We the People own the property, and We the People through our representatives decided by law that fees would be charged for certain uses of that property.
Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees
February 14, 1986
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:
Section 1. Determination of Fees. The Secretaries of Agriculture and the Interior are directed to exercise their authority, to the extent permitted by law under the various statutes they administer, to establish fees for domestic livestock grazing on the public rangelands which annually equals the $1.23 base established by the 1966 Western Livestock Grazing Survey multiplied by the result of the Forage Value Index (computed annually from data supplied by the Statistical Reporting Service) added to the Combined Index (Beef Cattle Price Index minus the Prices Paid Index) and divided by 100; provided, that the annual increase or decrease in such fee for any given year shall be limited to not more than plus or minus 25 percent of the previous year's fee, and provided further, that the fee shall not be less than $1.35 per animal unit month.
Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this Order, the term:
(a) ``Public rangelands'' has the same meaning as in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95 - 514);
(b) ``Forage Value Index'' means the weighted average estimate of the annual rental charge per head per month for pasturing cattle on private rangelands in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service from the June Enumerative Survey) divided by $3.65 and multiplied by 100;
(c) ``Beef Cattle Price Index'' means the weighted average annual selling price for beef cattle (excluding calves) in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) for November through October (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service) divided by $22.04 per hundred weight and multiplied by 100; and
(d) ``Prices Paid Index'' means the following selected components from the Statistical Reporting Service's Annual National Index of Prices Paid by Farmers for Goods and Services adjusted by the weights indicated in parentheses to reflect livestock production costs in the Western States: 1. Fuels and Energy (14.5); 2. Farm and Motor Supplies (12.0); 3. Autos and Trucks (4.5); 4. Tractors and Self-Propelled Machinery (4.5); 5. Other Machinery (12.0); 6. Building and Fencing Materials (14.5); 7. Interest (6.0); 8. Farm Wage Rates (14.0); 9. Farm Services (18.0).
Sec. 3. Any and all existing rules, practices, policies, and regulations relating to the administration of the formula for grazing fees in section 6(a) of the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 shall continue in full force and effect.
Sec. 4. This Order shall be effective immediately.
Ronald Reagan
The White House,
February 14, 1986.
so fucking what....? of course there are 'grazing fees' on BLM land.....
however Bundy does not recognize the land he grazes on as belonging to the Feds....but as Nevada State land....
get the difference....? Reagan actually supported the Sagebrush Wars and states rights....
Reagan was a "Sagebrush Rebel" as sure as he paid down the GOP National Debt!Ronald Reagan was a 'Sagebrush rebel'.....
Sagebrush Rebel: Reagans Battle with Environmental Extremists and Why It Matters Today
Sagebrush Rebel: Reagans Battle with Environmental Extremists and Why It Matters Today: William Perry Pendley: 9781621571568: Amazon.com: Books
There aren't any left.
Reports stated that the BLM has run them all off. Bundy is the only one left.
Maybe you need to look at the facts before you comment.......
You didn't provide any facts. Do you have a link? Because I just read an article from a neighbor of Bundy who has been paying her fees.
Maybe you need to read your own link.......
There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every ranchers grazing permit it says the following: You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due. The mandatory terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this contract agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every ranchers permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are suspended, but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of suspended AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy single-handedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.
It doubled under his term but the nation raked in more money with the improving economy and he didn't get the spending cuts the Democrats promised. You libs leave that out so who's the liar?Only in campaign speeches, just like he was against federal deficits in campaign speeches. No federal legislation was passed transferring federal land to the states during St Ronnie's regime, and he tripled the national debt.
Reagan was a lying bullshit artist.
Yep, and he's ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!What a smuck. Another one that is noted
Bring out that NDAA document and we'll wipe the floor with it
-Geaux
Harry Reid Calls Bundy Supporters 'Domestic Terrorists'
“U.S. Sen. Harry Reid on Thursday called [armed, militia-supported] supporters of Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy ’domestic terrorists’ because they defended him against a Bureau of Land Management cattle roundup with guns and put their children in harm’s way,” Las Vegas’ reviewjournal.com reports. “’Those people who hold themselves out to be patriots are not. They’re nothing more than domestic terrorists,’ Reid said during an appearance at a Las Vegas Review-Journal ‘Hashtags & Headlines’ event at the Paris. ‘… I repeat: what went on up there was domestic terrorism.’” We called that one. When push comes to shove, the enemies of liberty . . .
Breaking: Senator Harry Reid Calls Bundy Supporters "Domestic Terrorists" | The Truth About Guns
About time someone had the balls to call those far RW partisan DEADBEATS on their violent TERRORISTIC ways.
It TRIPLED under his regime and St Ronnie REJECTED the SPENDING cuts that Dole and the Dems agreed to because Reagan refused to make cuts to the worthless "Star Wars" boondoggle. I guess that makes YOU the liar!It doubled under his term but the nation raked in more money with the improving economy and he didn't get the spending cuts the Democrats promised. You libs leave that out so who's the liar?Only in campaign speeches, just like he was against federal deficits in campaign speeches. No federal legislation was passed transferring federal land to the states during St Ronnie's regime, and he tripled the national debt.
Reagan was a lying bullshit artist.
The Dems offered tax cuts? I call bull.It TRIPLED under his regime and St Ronnie REJECTED the SPENDING cuts that Dole and the Dems agreed to because Reagan refused to make cuts to the worthless "Star Wars" boondoggle. I guess that makes YOU the liar!
Only in campaign speeches, just like he was against federal deficits in campaign speeches. No federal legislation was passed transferring federal land to the states during St Ronnie's regime, and he tripled the national debt.And that elected representative was none less than St Ronnie!!!!!
Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees
February 14, 1986
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:
Section 1. Determination of Fees. The Secretaries of Agriculture and the Interior are directed to exercise their authority, to the extent permitted by law under the various statutes they administer, to establish fees for domestic livestock grazing on the public rangelands which annually equals the $1.23 base established by the 1966 Western Livestock Grazing Survey multiplied by the result of the Forage Value Index (computed annually from data supplied by the Statistical Reporting Service) added to the Combined Index (Beef Cattle Price Index minus the Prices Paid Index) and divided by 100; provided, that the annual increase or decrease in such fee for any given year shall be limited to not more than plus or minus 25 percent of the previous year's fee, and provided further, that the fee shall not be less than $1.35 per animal unit month.
Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this Order, the term:
(a) ``Public rangelands'' has the same meaning as in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95 - 514);
(b) ``Forage Value Index'' means the weighted average estimate of the annual rental charge per head per month for pasturing cattle on private rangelands in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service from the June Enumerative Survey) divided by $3.65 and multiplied by 100;
(c) ``Beef Cattle Price Index'' means the weighted average annual selling price for beef cattle (excluding calves) in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) for November through October (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service) divided by $22.04 per hundred weight and multiplied by 100; and
(d) ``Prices Paid Index'' means the following selected components from the Statistical Reporting Service's Annual National Index of Prices Paid by Farmers for Goods and Services adjusted by the weights indicated in parentheses to reflect livestock production costs in the Western States: 1. Fuels and Energy (14.5); 2. Farm and Motor Supplies (12.0); 3. Autos and Trucks (4.5); 4. Tractors and Self-Propelled Machinery (4.5); 5. Other Machinery (12.0); 6. Building and Fencing Materials (14.5); 7. Interest (6.0); 8. Farm Wage Rates (14.0); 9. Farm Services (18.0).
Sec. 3. Any and all existing rules, practices, policies, and regulations relating to the administration of the formula for grazing fees in section 6(a) of the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 shall continue in full force and effect.
Sec. 4. This Order shall be effective immediately.
Ronald Reagan
The White House,
February 14, 1986.
so fucking what....? of course there are 'grazing fees' on BLM land.....
however Bundy does not recognize the land he grazes on as belonging to the Feds....but as Nevada State land....
get the difference....? Reagan actually supported the Sagebrush Wars and states rights....
Reagan was a lying bullshit artist.
You didn't provide any facts. Do you have a link? Because I just read an article from a neighbor of Bundy who has been paying her fees.
Maybe you need to read your own link.......
There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher’s grazing permit it says the following: “You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due.” The “mandatory” terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this “contract” agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher’s permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow – - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are “suspended,” but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of “suspended” AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy single-handedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.
I did. Your claim is that Bundy was the only one grazing. He's not...he's the only one NOT PAYING.
Bundy supporters took up sniper positions on a bridge and aimed their military assault weapons at officers of the law.
You bet they are terrorists.
Bundy supporters took up sniper positions on a bridge and aimed their military assault weapons at officers of the law.
You bet they are terrorists.
When I first saw that pictures of some guy with a shot gun crouched down up on what appeared to be a viaduct, I figured that uber-patriot gun nuts had latched on to the controversy as a way to engage in their wish fulfillment that they're somehow protecting the nation. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of those guys might take a pot shot at a fed after nursing at a pint bottle of Jack Daniels.
Perhaps the thing that's the most disturbing is the sheer number of conservatives who are itching for a confrontation that results in shots being fired. That's what they actually want. How sick is that?
Bundy supporters took up sniper positions on a bridge and aimed their military assault weapons at officers of the law.
You bet they are terrorists.
When I first saw that pictures of some guy with a shot gun crouched down up on what appeared to be a viaduct, I figured that uber-patriot gun nuts had latched on to the controversy as a way to engage in their wish fulfillment that they're somehow protecting the nation. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of those guys might take a pot shot at a fed after nursing at a pint bottle of Jack Daniels.
Perhaps the thing that's the most disturbing is the sheer number of conservatives who are itching for a confrontation that results in shots being fired. That's what they actually want. How sick is that?
It's sick that you think it's what they want.Perhaps the thing that's the most disturbing is the sheer number of conservatives who are itching for a confrontation that results in shots being fired. That's what they actually want. How sick is that?
What a smuck. Another one that is noted
Bring out that NDAA document and we'll wipe the floor with it
-Geaux
Harry Reid Calls Bundy Supporters 'Domestic Terrorists'
U.S. Sen. Harry Reid on Thursday called [armed, militia-supported] supporters of Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy domestic terrorists because they defended him against a Bureau of Land Management cattle roundup with guns and put their children in harms way, Las Vegas reviewjournal.com reports. Those people who hold themselves out to be patriots are not. Theyre nothing more than domestic terrorists, Reid said during an appearance at a Las Vegas Review-Journal Hashtags & Headlines event at the Paris. I repeat: what went on up there was domestic terrorism. We called that one. When push comes to shove, the enemies of liberty . . .
Breaking: Senator Harry Reid Calls Bundy Supporters "Domestic Terrorists" | The Truth About Guns
Bundy supporters took up sniper positions on a bridge and aimed their military assault weapons at officers of the law.
You bet they are terrorists.
When I first saw that pictures of some guy with a shot gun crouched down up on what appeared to be a viaduct, I figured that uber-patriot gun nuts had latched on to the controversy as a way to engage in their wish fulfillment that they're somehow protecting the nation. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of those guys might take a pot shot at a fed after nursing at a pint bottle of Jack Daniels.
Perhaps the thing that's the most disturbing is the sheer number of conservatives who are itching for a confrontation that results in shots being fired. That's what they actually want. How sick is that?
Your fantasy scenario didn't happen much to your disappointment. You're the sick one.
Bundy supporters took up sniper positions on a bridge and aimed their military assault weapons at officers of the law.
You bet they are terrorists.
When I first saw that pictures of some guy with a shot gun crouched down up on what appeared to be a viaduct, I figured that uber-patriot gun nuts had latched on to the controversy as a way to engage in their wish fulfillment that they're somehow protecting the nation. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of those guys might take a pot shot at a fed after nursing at a pint bottle of Jack Daniels.
Perhaps the thing that's the most disturbing is the sheer number of conservatives who are itching for a confrontation that results in shots being fired. That's what they actually want. How sick is that?
Your fantasy scenario didn't happen much to your disappointment. You're the sick one.
When I first saw that pictures of some guy with a shot gun crouched down up on what appeared to be a viaduct, I figured that uber-patriot gun nuts had latched on to the controversy as a way to engage in their wish fulfillment that they're somehow protecting the nation. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of those guys might take a pot shot at a fed after nursing at a pint bottle of Jack Daniels.
Perhaps the thing that's the most disturbing is the sheer number of conservatives who are itching for a confrontation that results in shots being fired. That's what they actually want. How sick is that?
Your fantasy scenario didn't happen much to your disappointment. You're the sick one.
Oh, I think they were itching for a REAL confrontation. No doubt that's why the Feds withdrew because the confrontation was trained professional LE versus armed civilians whose behavior screams out that they wanted shots fired. I base that assessment on a report I heard that said the Feds told the crowd to stop advancing or they might shoot, and they kept on coming. Hey, anyone who continues to advance on LE after being warned to stop is not thinking rationally about what they're doing and the consequences of their actions. Those are not the kind of people anyone should trust with semiautomatic weapons in a standoff.
