Havana: A Film That Spits In The Face Of History

[PoliticalChic]

historical recount of the revolution.

You claim the theme of the movie was taken from Casablanca and then you claim it was meant to be a historical recount of the revolution.

If you want to discuss the movie, you are in the right replace and I will be happy to do so but if you want to ague politics, I'm sure there are others that will be happy to do so.

Only a fool misses the political view passed on as fact, in this movie.
Raise your paw.


You're not smart or informed enough to discuss the film.

 

[whitehall]

History is what you make it when it comes to the Cuban Revolution. By all accounts it goes down as another failure of the CIA. The U.S. Eisenhower administration supported the Castro insurgency but wouldn't you know Castro turned out to be a Marxist dictator. Along comes JFK who appoints his own brother as AG and Bobby spends his time scheming ways to overthrow Castro. The comedy circus in the CIA supports an illegal invasion of Cuba and we end up in Devcon 3.

 

[PoliticalChic]

History is what you make it when it comes to the Cuban Revolution. By all accounts it goes down as another failure of the CIA. The U.S. Eisenhower administration supported the Castro insurgency but wouldn't you know Castro turned out to be a Marxist dictator. Along comes JFK who appoints his own brother as AG and Bobby spends his time scheming ways to overthrow Castro. The comedy circus in the CIA supports an illegal invasion of Cuba and we end up in Devcon 3.

The aim of the thread is to link Hollywood with the sort of propaganda that paints Castro's psychopaths as freedom fighters.
Sadly, the magnificent films they make set the tone for government school grads who are unaware of history and of the Left.


" By all accounts it goes down as another failure of the CIA."
Couldn't agree more. I'm starting a study of how the Nixon CIA abandoned Tibet to Mao's China.



A film made 30 years after the fact of the revolution, yet viewers are told to see the Marxists through the eyes of ideological adherent to the cause.

 

[PoliticalChic]

14. So, Pollack et al. made what was essentially true about Batista and the Mafia in pre-Castro Cuba, then they went and spoiled it by getting all misty-eyed about the murderous mob of Marxists.



“Fidel Castro Firing Squads

These infamous firing squads are referred to as “el paredon” or “the wall” and every type of person, young or old, was sent to the firing squad. Fidel and his compadres would simply execute any person that disagreed with their betrayal of the Revolution.

For more than 50 years people were sent to “el paredon” but being executedo wasn’t the worst part of the experience. Prisoners were forced to wait in line in view of the executioner so that they had to witness each person before them be gunned down. 1961 was the height of Castro’s firing squads with Time Magazine entitling an article “Cuba: Year of the Firing Squad” in the February issue of their publication. Time only took this monicker from Cuba’s Agrarian Reform Chief at the time Antonio Nunez Jimenez, he coined the term while addressing a group of his armed militia. It was their goal to create the most formidable execution wall that has ever existed, and many Cuban Americans would tell you that they unfortunately succeeded.” The 15 Worst Atrocities Committed By Fidel Castro

But, heroes to the Hollywood Left.

 

[Flopper]

History is what you make it when it comes to the Cuban Revolution. By all accounts it goes down as another failure of the CIA. The U.S. Eisenhower administration supported the Castro insurgency but wouldn't you know Castro turned out to be a Marxist dictator. Along comes JFK who appoints his own brother as AG and Bobby spends his time scheming ways to overthrow Castro. The comedy circus in the CIA supports an illegal invasion of Cuba and we end up in Devcon 3.

Just six days after the fall of Batista, U.S. officials recognize Castro's government. Despite fears that Fidel Castro, whose rebel army helped to overthrow Batista, might have communist leanings, the U.S. government believed that it could work with the new regime and protect American interests in Cuba which was their primary concern. In early 1959, Castro came to the US. He received a warm welcome on the Jack Park show and on the Ed Sullivan show he was compared to George Washington. The Eisenhower administration was divided on the question of what to do about Castro. However within a few weeks there was no doubt that Castro was not going to play ball with the US government and Cuba was not going to be controlled by Washington.

 

[rightwinger]

14. So, Pollack et al. made what was essentially true about Batista and the Mafia in pre-Castro Cuba, then they went and spoiled it by getting all misty-eyed about the murderous mob of Marxists.



“Fidel Castro Firing Squads

These infamous firing squads are referred to as “el paredon” or “the wall” and every type of person, young or old, was sent to the firing squad. Fidel and his compadres would simply execute any person that disagreed with their betrayal of the Revolution.

For more than 50 years people were sent to “el paredon” but being executedo wasn’t the worst part of the experience. Prisoners were forced to wait in line in view of the executioner so that they had to witness each person before them be gunned down. 1961 was the height of Castro’s firing squads with Time Magazine entitling an article “Cuba: Year of the Firing Squad” in the February issue of their publication. Time only took this monicker from Cuba’s Agrarian Reform Chief at the time Antonio Nunez Jimenez, he coined the term while addressing a group of his armed militia. It was their goal to create the most formidable execution wall that has ever existed, and many Cuban Americans would tell you that they unfortunately succeeded.” The 15 Worst Atrocities Committed By Fidel Castro

But, heroes to the Hollywood Left.

Today, Cuba no longer has the Death Penalty

The US still does

 

[PoliticalChic]

History is what you make it when it comes to the Cuban Revolution. By all accounts it goes down as another failure of the CIA. The U.S. Eisenhower administration supported the Castro insurgency but wouldn't you know Castro turned out to be a Marxist dictator. Along comes JFK who appoints his own brother as AG and Bobby spends his time scheming ways to overthrow Castro. The comedy circus in the CIA supports an illegal invasion of Cuba and we end up in Devcon 3.

Just six days after the fall of Batista, U.S. officials recognize Castro's government. Despite fears that Fidel Castro, whose rebel army helped to overthrow Batista, might have communist leanings, the U.S. government believed that it could work with the new regime and protect American interests in Cuba which was their primary concern. In early 1959, Castro came to the US. He received a warm welcome on the Jack Park show and on the Ed Sullivan show he was compared to George Washington. The Eisenhower administration was divided on the question of what to do about Castro. However within a few weeks there was no doubt that Castro was not going to play ball with the US government and Cuba was not going to be controlled by Washington.

See if you can understand the similarity between the support of Castro and the same of Khomeini.


The 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran has been compared in importance to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. “The central problems of world affairs today spring from the Iranian Revolution much as those of the 20th century sprang from the Russian Revolution.” A Monarch Dethroned



"When the Iranian revolution came to power, with the help of Democratic President Jimmy Carter, the Ayatollah Khomeini killed more human beings (about twenty thousand) in two weeks than had been killed by the Shah during his entire thirty-eight years. Khomeini followed this by sending hundreds of thousands of Iranians to die in the Iran-Iraq war, as martyrdom was needed to resurrect the Islamic Empire."
Paul Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 108



And it has been ever so.



Eisenhower is famous for saying "Public opinion wins wars."

And it is function of the Left to make certain that public opinion favors communism and communists.


You are a perfect example of how successful it has been.



See if this resonates:

Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book WITNESS that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs. In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals.

 

[Gdjjr]

I liked the movie, Salvador - in this movie,Havana, which I've not seen, I wonder what is used for the excuse the US uses for interfering in the "ism" of another sovereign nation? Sovereign being a key word- what authority does the US claim to pretend it has a moral high ground on- tyranny is tyranny it doesn't matter what "ism" it's backed with- the rule of Law is supposed to be the US creed- why does the US not adhere to it? The US has been a tyrannical force since it's inception- can you say the Whiskey Tax? Oh, but that's okay, because US-
The concept of the founding of the US is a great philosophical and noble one- but, as some founders noted, it can only occur as dreamed if virtuous men are elected- I know of one virtuous and honorable man who left congress when he finally accepted the congress was not going to allow him to do as he told his constituents he would- o.n.e. - now, I'm all eyes if someone wants to point out another- but, I'm a fair to middlin' student of History- be fore warned, not US gov't approved propaganda-

 

[PoliticalChic]

I liked the movie, Salvador - in this movie,Havana, which I've not seen, I wonder what is used for the excuse the US uses for interfering in the "ism" of another sovereign nation? Sovereign being a key word- what authority does the US claim to pretend it has a moral high ground on- tyranny is tyranny it doesn't matter what "ism" it's backed with- the rule of Law is supposed to be the US creed- why does the US not adhere to it? The US has been a tyrannical force since it's inception- can you say the Whiskey Tax? Oh, but that's okay, because US-
The concept of the founding of the US is a great philosophical and noble one- but, as some founders noted, it can only occur as dreamed if virtuous men are elected- I know of one virtuous and honorable man who left congress when he finally accepted the congress was not going to allow him to do as he told his constituents he would- o.n.e. - now, I'm all eyes if someone wants to point out another- but, I'm a fair to middlin' student of History- be fore warned, not US gov't approved propaganda-

So you opposed WWII and the Berlin airlift, etc.?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You have to be a moron if you consider a movie to be history. You can see aspects of history in a film but back in real life history is far too disjointed to be packaged into a 2 hour film.

Im sure that there are films which are historically accurate but I am struggling to think of one at the moment.

But if you want a left of centre movie about US involvement in other countries I suggest Missing with Jack Lemmon. Its a great movie that shows the contrast between decent Americans and their less than decent government.

But is it history ?

 

[Gdjjr]

So you opposed WWII and the Berlin airlift, etc.?

Answer the questions- moving the goal posts doesn't-

 

[Gdjjr]

But is it history ?

Probably- the US gov't is the lyingest entity on the planet- to be plausible a script, or novel, has to have truth involved- The Manchurian Candidate- (both versions)- try the Saboteur with Robert Cummings- that they don't jibe with official narrative likely means they are a lot more accurate than most realize or want to admit to- when you worship at the alter of godvernment you are easily fooled into believing the Deacons in your church are saints- hint: they're just people, BOTH sides of the Duopoly Party are intellectually dishonest, or, in many cases just plain ignorant.

 

[rightwinger]

We had a chance to review the corrupt Batista regime and decide whether that it the Government we want to support. We chose to prop up Batista over the struggling workers and people of Cuba. We left them little choice but to turn to Communism.

We made the same mistake in Vietnam where we propped up a corrupt South Vietnamese Government.

We made the same mistake in Iran.

We just don’t learn.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You have to be a moron if you consider a movie to be history. You can see aspects of history in a film but back in real life history is far too disjointed to be packaged into a 2 hour film.

Im sure that there are films which are historically accurate but I am struggling to think of one at the moment.

But if you want a left of centre movie about US involvement in other countries I suggest Missing with Jack Lemmon. Its a great movie that shows the contrast between decent Americans and their less than decent government.

But is it history ?

"You have to be a moron if you consider a movie to be history."

Speaking of morons, lots of same take their 'knowledge' of history from films, Comedy Central, CNN.....


They are called Democrat voters.

"The allure of history movies​

Fact-based or fictional, realistic or fantastic, history movies shape the way people think about the past. In a study of how 15 families discussed historical understanding of the Vietnam War era, kids and parents both spontaneously drew on memories of movies. “Forrest Gump,” in particular, was referenced by both generations."

Are movies a good way to learn history?

History movies may have Oscar potential, but their educational potential is more complicated. Should teachers use Hollywood to teach?

theconversation.com

In your face, boooooooooyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

But is it history ?

Probably- the US gov't is the lyingest entity on the planet- to be plausible a script, or novel, has to have truth involved- The Manchurian Candidate- (both versions)- try the Saboteur with Robert Cummings- that they don't jibe with official narrative likely means they are a lot more accurate than most realize or want to admit to- when you worship at the alter of godvernment you are easily fooled into believing the Deacons in your church are saints- hint: they're just people, BOTH sides of the Duopoly Party are intellectually dishonest, or, in many cases just plain ignorant.

"Probably- the US gov't is the lyingest entity on the planet-..."

Soooo.....now you're claiming to be part of the US gov't?????????

 

[Gdjjr]

Soooo.....now you're claiming to be part of the US gov't?????????

Point out where I've lied- I'll wait, queenie.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You have to be a moron if you consider a movie to be history. You can see aspects of history in a film but back in real life history is far too disjointed to be packaged into a 2 hour film.

Im sure that there are films which are historically accurate but I am struggling to think of one at the moment.

But if you want a left of centre movie about US involvement in other countries I suggest Missing with Jack Lemmon. Its a great movie that shows the contrast between decent Americans and their less than decent government.

But is it history ?

"You have to be a moron if you consider a movie to be history."

Speaking of morons, lots of same take their 'knowledge' of history from films, Comedy Central, CNN.....


They are called Democrat voters.

"The allure of history movies​

Fact-based or fictional, realistic or fantastic, history movies shape the way people think about the past. In a study of how 15 families discussed historical understanding of the Vietnam War era, kids and parents both spontaneously drew on memories of movies. “Forrest Gump,” in particular, was referenced by both generations."

Are movies a good way to learn history?

History movies may have Oscar potential, but their educational potential is more complicated. Should teachers use Hollywood to teach?

theconversation.com

In your face, boooooooooyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

Babe, your link pretty much agrees with me. Is there something else ?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Soooo.....now you're claiming to be part of the US gov't?????????

Point out where I've lied- I'll wait, queenie.

You don't have to wait.....you lie daily in stating the two parties are identical.

I've challenged you with this.....and you skip off and hide:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism,
socialism,
infanticide,
opposition to free speech,
substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,
support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,
accepting payment from Communist China for future considerations,
and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.
And, perhaps you can offer your analysis of which Trump policy turned Americans against his policies.
Well.....you could if there were any.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Soooo.....now you're claiming to be part of the US gov't?????????

Point out where I've lied- I'll wait, queenie.

"queenie"....?

Nay, nay..... my requested pronoun is 'Her Royal Highness'

 

[PoliticalChic]

You have to be a moron if you consider a movie to be history. You can see aspects of history in a film but back in real life history is far too disjointed to be packaged into a 2 hour film.

Im sure that there are films which are historically accurate but I am struggling to think of one at the moment.

But if you want a left of centre movie about US involvement in other countries I suggest Missing with Jack Lemmon. Its a great movie that shows the contrast between decent Americans and their less than decent government.

But is it history ?

"You have to be a moron if you consider a movie to be history."

Speaking of morons, lots of same take their 'knowledge' of history from films, Comedy Central, CNN.....


They are called Democrat voters.

"The allure of history movies​

Fact-based or fictional, realistic or fantastic, history movies shape the way people think about the past. In a study of how 15 families discussed historical understanding of the Vietnam War era, kids and parents both spontaneously drew on memories of movies. “Forrest Gump,” in particular, was referenced by both generations."

Are movies a good way to learn history?

History movies may have Oscar potential, but their educational potential is more complicated. Should teachers use Hollywood to teach?

theconversation.com

In your face, boooooooooyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

Babe, your link pretty much agrees with me. Is there something else ?

Wrong.


'Wrong' appears to by your métier.