Hawaii’s Governor Takes On ‘Birthers’

[DiveCon]

The graphic above demonstrates the distinction between Ronald Reagan, a "natural born" citizen and Barack Obama, a "native-born" citizen."

Ronald Reagan had no choice about his citizenship. By blood and by place of birth, he was a "natural born" American citizen. No law bestowed his citizenship upon him. His father was an American. His mother was an American. He was born in America. He was a "natural born" American.

Barack Obama had choices about his citizenship. His father was a Kenyan. His mother was an American. He was born in America. He was a "native born," 14th Amendment American. He was also a citizen of Kenya and a British subject -- he had a choice about being a Brit, an American, or both.

The child in the left graphic is a "natural born" citizen because he or she was born in the United States of America (jus soli) and both parents are citizens (jus sanguinis). The child meets both tests.

The child in the right graphic is a "native-born" citizen because he or she was born in the United States of America and both parents are not citizens. The child meets only one test.

wrong again, we only have 2 types of citizens, natural and naturalized
thats IT
there is not other option

 

[Avatar4321]

I still say that I am 99.99% sure that Obama was born in Hawaii.

What I do not know is what he is hiding. It is obvious he is hiding something.

My best guess is still that he is a bastard.

And I; and I bet most Americans; could care less.

For one, his long form birth certificate is protected by privacy laws.

Second, why should he be treated differently than any white president in US history? The short form was good enough for them.

Fuck, God Damn, shit, piss mother fucking hell.

When are you going to get off this racist BS.

It's not about Black vs White asshole.​

Not to any of us. Because we think.

Rdean, however, doesn't. Everythings racist for him. Race is the ultimate reason anyone does anything in life because it's the ultimate reason he does things.

Sad isnt it?

 

[Avatar4321]

I still say that I am 99.99% sure that Obama was born in Hawaii.

What I do not know is what he is hiding. It is obvious he is hiding something.

My best guess is still that he is a bastard.

And I; and I bet most Americans; could care less.

For one, his long form birth certificate is protected by privacy laws.

Second, why should he be treated differently than any white president in US history? The short form was good enough for them.

provide proof of another us president that provided the short form as proof of eligibility

Why would he do that? He is just going to say you're racist for asking for proof.

 

[Avatar4321]

Like I said, a Republican governor knowing the president wasn't an American? It would have been the biggest political story in a decade. But she didn't. Why? Because she already knows the truth.

Or perhaps because she doesnt get involved in Democrat primary disputes.

 

[Avatar4321]

Like I said, a Republican governor knowing the president wasn't an American? It would have been the biggest political story in a decade. But she didn't. Why? Because she already knows the truth.

translation:

i can't back up my false racist claims

hey, give him credit for finally posting something that's actually factual

It might be if he provided any evidence that she looked up the information herself.

 

[Avatar4321]

wrong again, we only have 2 types of citizens, natural and naturalized
thats IT
there is not other option

I dont think he is going to get it. He is doing alot of gymnastics to avoid it.

 

[Care4all]

Like I said, a Republican governor knowing the president wasn't an American? It would have been the biggest political story in a decade. But she didn't. Why? Because she already knows the truth.

Or perhaps because she doesnt get involved in Democrat primary disputes.

so are you are saying that she would fail to honor the Constitution, for fear of being pulled in to a political/primary spat?

 

[USArmyRetired]

The graphic above demonstrates the distinction between Ronald Reagan, a "natural born" citizen and Barack Obama, a "native-born" citizen."

Ronald Reagan had no choice about his citizenship. By blood and by place of birth, he was a "natural born" American citizen. No law bestowed his citizenship upon him. His father was an American. His mother was an American. He was born in America. He was a "natural born" American.

Barack Obama had choices about his citizenship. His father was a Kenyan. His mother was an American. He was born in America. He was a "native born," 14th Amendment American. He was also a citizen of Kenya and a British subject -- he had a choice about being a Brit, an American, or both.

The child in the left graphic is a "natural born" citizen because he or she was born in the United States of America (jus soli) and both parents are citizens (jus sanguinis). The child meets both tests.

The child in the right graphic is a "native-born" citizen because he or she was born in the United States of America and both parents are not citizens. The child meets only one test.

wrong again, we only have 2 types of citizens, natural and naturalized
thats IT
there is not other option

Look, Obama’s ineligibility to be President is dictated not by foreign law but rather by U.S. law grounded on natural law and the law of nations. If Obama were born in the U.S. to citizen parents, U.S. law--natural law and the law of nations which several U.S. Supreme Court cases have made a part of the law of the land and controlling on the question of national citizenship--applies to the fullest extent, making him a "natural born Citizen." If Obama was born in the U.S. to a non-citizen father and U.S. citizen mother, U.S. law again applies, making him a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" under the 14th Amendment. He cannot be an Article II "natural born Citizen" under U.S. law because his father was not a U.S. citizen, being a British citizen under the British Nationality Act of 1948, and Obama himself was born a British citizen under that same act. Given his birth circumstances (assuming he was born in the U.S.), Obama, like Wong Kim Ark, can only rely upon the 14th Amendment, an expression of Congress's naturalization power incorporated into the Constitution, for U.S. citizenship which means that he is a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" but not a "natural born Citizen" which needs no law to be created.

 

[DiveCon]

The graphic above demonstrates the distinction between Ronald Reagan, a "natural born" citizen and Barack Obama, a "native-born" citizen."

Ronald Reagan had no choice about his citizenship. By blood and by place of birth, he was a "natural born" American citizen. No law bestowed his citizenship upon him. His father was an American. His mother was an American. He was born in America. He was a "natural born" American.

Barack Obama had choices about his citizenship. His father was a Kenyan. His mother was an American. He was born in America. He was a "native born," 14th Amendment American. He was also a citizen of Kenya and a British subject -- he had a choice about being a Brit, an American, or both.

The child in the left graphic is a "natural born" citizen because he or she was born in the United States of America (jus soli) and both parents are citizens (jus sanguinis). The child meets both tests.

The child in the right graphic is a "native-born" citizen because he or she was born in the United States of America and both parents are not citizens. The child meets only one test.

wrong again, we only have 2 types of citizens, natural and naturalized
thats IT
there is not other option

Obama’s ineligibility to be President is dictated not by foreign law but rather by U.S. law grounded on natural law and the law of nations. If Obama were born in the U.S. to citizen parents, U.S. law--natural law and the law of nations which several U.S. Supreme Court cases have made a part of the law of the land and controlling on the question of national citizenship--applies to the fullest extent, making him a "natural born Citizen." If Obama was born in the U.S. to a non-citizen father and U.S. citizen mother, U.S. law again applies, making him a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" under the 14th Amendment. He cannot be an Article II "natural born Citizen" under U.S. law because his father was not a U.S. citizen, being a British citizen under the British Nationality Act of 1948, and Obama himself was born a British citizen under that same act. Given his birth circumstances (assuming he was born in the U.S.), Obama, like Wong Kim Ark, can only rely upon the 14th Amendment, an expression of Congress's naturalization power incorporated into the Constitution, for U.S. citizenship which means that he is a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" but not a "natural born Citizen" which needs no law to be created.

YES HE CAN
you are full of shit, anyone born on US SOIL IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

 

[Care4all]

wrong again, we only have 2 types of citizens, natural and naturalized
thats IT
there is not other option

Obama’s ineligibility to be President is dictated not by foreign law but rather by U.S. law grounded on natural law and the law of nations. If Obama were born in the U.S. to citizen parents, U.S. law--natural law and the law of nations which several U.S. Supreme Court cases have made a part of the law of the land and controlling on the question of national citizenship--applies to the fullest extent, making him a "natural born Citizen." If Obama was born in the U.S. to a non-citizen father and U.S. citizen mother, U.S. law again applies, making him a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" under the 14th Amendment. He cannot be an Article II "natural born Citizen" under U.S. law because his father was not a U.S. citizen, being a British citizen under the British Nationality Act of 1948, and Obama himself was born a British citizen under that same act. Given his birth circumstances (assuming he was born in the U.S.), Obama, like Wong Kim Ark, can only rely upon the 14th Amendment, an expression of Congress's naturalization power incorporated into the Constitution, for U.S. citizenship which means that he is a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" but not a "natural born Citizen" which needs no law to be created.

YES HE CAN
you are full of shit, anyone born on US SOIL IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

and anyone born on foreign soil with ONE active us citizen parent, in most cases is considered a natural born citizen now as well.

 

[DiveCon]

Obama’s ineligibility to be President is dictated not by foreign law but rather by U.S. law grounded on natural law and the law of nations. If Obama were born in the U.S. to citizen parents, U.S. law--natural law and the law of nations which several U.S. Supreme Court cases have made a part of the law of the land and controlling on the question of national citizenship--applies to the fullest extent, making him a "natural born Citizen." If Obama was born in the U.S. to a non-citizen father and U.S. citizen mother, U.S. law again applies, making him a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" under the 14th Amendment. He cannot be an Article II "natural born Citizen" under U.S. law because his father was not a U.S. citizen, being a British citizen under the British Nationality Act of 1948, and Obama himself was born a British citizen under that same act. Given his birth circumstances (assuming he was born in the U.S.), Obama, like Wong Kim Ark, can only rely upon the 14th Amendment, an expression of Congress's naturalization power incorporated into the Constitution, for U.S. citizenship which means that he is a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" but not a "natural born Citizen" which needs no law to be created.

YES HE CAN
you are full of shit, anyone born on US SOIL IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

and anyone born on foreign soil with ONE active us citizen parent, in most cases is considered a natural born citizen now as well.

yes, in MOST cases
there are exceptions

 

[USArmyRetired]

wrong again, we only have 2 types of citizens, natural and naturalized
thats IT
there is not other option

Obama’s ineligibility to be President is dictated not by foreign law but rather by U.S. law grounded on natural law and the law of nations. If Obama were born in the U.S. to citizen parents, U.S. law--natural law and the law of nations which several U.S. Supreme Court cases have made a part of the law of the land and controlling on the question of national citizenship--applies to the fullest extent, making him a "natural born Citizen." If Obama was born in the U.S. to a non-citizen father and U.S. citizen mother, U.S. law again applies, making him a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" under the 14th Amendment. He cannot be an Article II "natural born Citizen" under U.S. law because his father was not a U.S. citizen, being a British citizen under the British Nationality Act of 1948, and Obama himself was born a British citizen under that same act. Given his birth circumstances (assuming he was born in the U.S.), Obama, like Wong Kim Ark, can only rely upon the 14th Amendment, an expression of Congress's naturalization power incorporated into the Constitution, for U.S. citizenship which means that he is a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" but not a "natural born Citizen" which needs no law to be created.

YES HE CAN
you are full of shit, anyone born on US SOIL IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

ANYONE? Have a link? Remember in one of your earlier post you agreed that Obama was a dual citizen because he was governed by his fathers british nationality that was passed to young Barack as his own website stated? Dual citizens are not natural born citizens.......lol.

 

[DiveCon]

Obama’s ineligibility to be President is dictated not by foreign law but rather by U.S. law grounded on natural law and the law of nations. If Obama were born in the U.S. to citizen parents, U.S. law--natural law and the law of nations which several U.S. Supreme Court cases have made a part of the law of the land and controlling on the question of national citizenship--applies to the fullest extent, making him a "natural born Citizen." If Obama was born in the U.S. to a non-citizen father and U.S. citizen mother, U.S. law again applies, making him a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" under the 14th Amendment. He cannot be an Article II "natural born Citizen" under U.S. law because his father was not a U.S. citizen, being a British citizen under the British Nationality Act of 1948, and Obama himself was born a British citizen under that same act. Given his birth circumstances (assuming he was born in the U.S.), Obama, like Wong Kim Ark, can only rely upon the 14th Amendment, an expression of Congress's naturalization power incorporated into the Constitution, for U.S. citizenship which means that he is a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" but not a "natural born Citizen" which needs no law to be created.

YES HE CAN
you are full of shit, anyone born on US SOIL IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

ANYONE? Have a link? Remember in one of your earlier post you agreed that Obama was a dual citizen because he was governed by his fathers british nationality that was passed to young Barack as his own website stated? Dual citizens are not natural born citizens.......lol.

U.S. CONSTITUTION

there is your link

and dual citizens ARE if they are born on US SOIL
there are also other options when they are born off US Soil
conditions must be met, but since Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

 

[goldcatt]

Obama’s ineligibility to be President is dictated not by foreign law but rather by U.S. law grounded on natural law and the law of nations. If Obama were born in the U.S. to citizen parents, U.S. law--natural law and the law of nations which several U.S. Supreme Court cases have made a part of the law of the land and controlling on the question of national citizenship--applies to the fullest extent, making him a "natural born Citizen." If Obama was born in the U.S. to a non-citizen father and U.S. citizen mother, U.S. law again applies, making him a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" under the 14th Amendment. He cannot be an Article II "natural born Citizen" under U.S. law because his father was not a U.S. citizen, being a British citizen under the British Nationality Act of 1948, and Obama himself was born a British citizen under that same act. Given his birth circumstances (assuming he was born in the U.S.), Obama, like Wong Kim Ark, can only rely upon the 14th Amendment, an expression of Congress's naturalization power incorporated into the Constitution, for U.S. citizenship which means that he is a born naturalized "citizen of the United States" but not a "natural born Citizen" which needs no law to be created.

YES HE CAN
you are full of shit, anyone born on US SOIL IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

ANYONE? Have a link? Remember in one of your earlier post you agreed that Obama was a dual citizen because he was governed by his fathers british nationality that was passed to young Barack as his own website stated? Dual citizens are not natural born citizens.......lol.

So you STILL didn't read your own case. Wing Nut Daily is STILL more authoritative to you than the United States Supreme Court and its decisions going back more than 100 years, even one that YOU chose to cite without knowing a thing about what's in it because some blog told you to.

It never occurred to you to check it out for yourself, and you'll resist doing it to the end. You've trapped yourself in intellectual slavery, and a con artist's propaganda is your Master.

Realizing your Master might be wrong would jeopardize your entire identity, wouldn't it?

There are so many like you. Bleating little pawns hiding your eyes, attacking whoever the Master proclaims is an enemy, sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "lalalalalala" when confronted with your own so-called evidence and so totally dependent on being told what to think some of you can't even type up a post on a message board in your own words.

And not one of you, ever, can articulate just what you stand FOR, what you're trying to accomplish and how the methods you've chosen will get you there. Because you don't know, you just do as you're told. The simple fact that you're all being used to advance somebody else's completely unrelated agenda (or just to line their pocket) probably also never occurred to you. Master, after all, is always right. Never question Master. That's a good little slave.

But of course it's the enemy du jour who's "taking away your freedom". Uh-huh. I have news for you: The will and ability to think for yourself is the most important freedom of all.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Like I said, a Republican governor knowing the president wasn't an American? It would have been the biggest political story in a decade. But she didn't. Why? Because she already knows the truth.

translation:

i can't back up my false racist claims

hey, give him credit for finally posting something that's actually factual

Dive the Republican Governor didn't see the Birth Certificate she went on information that was told to her by Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino. She couldn't have seen it because obama had the certificate sealed.
There are only two people who have actually seen any supposed document. It's not a far streach to think they could be lying, with how Hawaii views it political system. It's not a republican strong hold. I'm wondering why the federal government will step in in some cases and not in other.

 

[L.K.Eder]

YES HE CAN
you are full of shit, anyone born on US SOIL IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

ANYONE? Have a link? Remember in one of your earlier post you agreed that Obama was a dual citizen because he was governed by his fathers british nationality that was passed to young Barack as his own website stated? Dual citizens are not natural born citizens.......lol.

So you STILL didn't read your own case. Wing Nut Daily is STILL more authoritative to you than the United States Supreme Court and its decisions going back more than 100 years, even one that YOU chose to cite without knowing a thing about what's in it because some blog told you to.

It never occurred to you to check it out for yourself, and you'll resist doing it to the end. You've trapped yourself in intellectual slavery, and a con artist's propaganda is your Master.

Realizing your Master might be wrong would jeopardize your entire identity, wouldn't it?

There are so many like you. Bleating little pawns hiding your eyes, attacking whoever the Master proclaims is an enemy, sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "lalalalalala" when confronted with your own so-called evidence and so totally dependent on being told what to think some of you can't even type up a post on a message board in your own words.

And not one of you, ever, can articulate just what you stand FOR, what you're trying to accomplish and how the methods you've chosen will get you there. Because you don't know, you just do as you're told. The simple fact that you're all being used to advance somebody else's completely unrelated agenda (or just to line their pocket) probably also never occurred to you. Master, after all, is always right. Never question Master. That's a good little slave.

But of course it's the enemy du jour who's "taking away your freedom". Uh-huh. I have news for you: The will and ability to think for yourself is the most important freedom of all.

remember, to this guy it is not propaganda, if it has truth hidden in it somewhere.

 

[goldcatt]

ANYONE? Have a link? Remember in one of your earlier post you agreed that Obama was a dual citizen because he was governed by his fathers british nationality that was passed to young Barack as his own website stated? Dual citizens are not natural born citizens.......lol.

So you STILL didn't read your own case. Wing Nut Daily is STILL more authoritative to you than the United States Supreme Court and its decisions going back more than 100 years, even one that YOU chose to cite without knowing a thing about what's in it because some blog told you to.

It never occurred to you to check it out for yourself, and you'll resist doing it to the end. You've trapped yourself in intellectual slavery, and a con artist's propaganda is your Master.

Realizing your Master might be wrong would jeopardize your entire identity, wouldn't it?

There are so many like you. Bleating little pawns hiding your eyes, attacking whoever the Master proclaims is an enemy, sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "lalalalalala" when confronted with your own so-called evidence and so totally dependent on being told what to think some of you can't even type up a post on a message board in your own words.

And not one of you, ever, can articulate just what you stand FOR, what you're trying to accomplish and how the methods you've chosen will get you there. Because you don't know, you just do as you're told. The simple fact that you're all being used to advance somebody else's completely unrelated agenda (or just to line their pocket) probably also never occurred to you. Master, after all, is always right. Never question Master. That's a good little slave.

But of course it's the enemy du jour who's "taking away your freedom". Uh-huh. I have news for you: The will and ability to think for yourself is the most important freedom of all.

remember, to this guy it is not propaganda, if it has truth hidden in it somewhere.

Goebbels would be pleased.

 

[Care4all]

translation:

i can't back up my false racist claims

hey, give him credit for finally posting something that's actually factual

Dive the Republican Governor didn't see the Birth Certificate she went on information that was told to her by Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino. She couldn't have seen it because obama had the certificate sealed.
There are only two people who have actually seen any supposed document. It's not a far streach to think they could be lying, with how Hawaii views it political system. It's not a republican strong hold. I'm wondering why the federal government will step in in some cases and not in other.

fyi
obama DID NOT have his certificate sealed??? Hawaiian LAW does not permit any stranger from getting anyone's birth certificate...

 

[SFC Ollie]

I still say that I am 99.99% sure that Obama was born in Hawaii.

What I do not know is what he is hiding. It is obvious he is hiding something.

My best guess is still that he is a bastard.

And I; and I bet most Americans; could care less.

Why does he have to be hiding anything? It could simply be that he is trying to egg these people on so rather than have a debate on the issues, mindless drones like rdean willl be like: "That guy doesn't believe Obama was born in America. How crazy is that?"

It's a distraction issue that's being used to associate anyone who opposes his agenda with nutjobs. He needs the nutjobs. Because without them, he actually has to debate his agenda on it's merits. And we all know how much the American people love more government in their lives.

Possible.

 

[8537]

since Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

Stop making sense.