Help me understand something about Black culture / behaviors/ beliefs?

[Two Thumbs]

a year old thread.


did any of the black posters give an actual reason why they cover for their bad actors?

Do any of the white potters admit they do the same things or worse?

So no, none of you had the courage to tell us why you do something so fucking stewpud.


good day

 

[protectionist]

Racism is a behavioral system for the survival of White people so the expectation white people will change this behavior is highly unlikely.

What is the expectation that blacks will change away from black racism against whites (ex. Affirmative Action) ?

 

[IM2]

Almost no murders or black people in CZ. That's Chicago you're thinking of, or St. Louis, or NO, or Baltimore, or pretty much anywhere with lots of blacks.

Silence. You clown.

White people down there (Czech Repub) have been killing each other for decades, What was it ? The "Velvet Divorce" or the "Kosovo war" or who ever the fk was killing each other down there.

You split into you're own separate states (Slovakia, Slovenia).because you could not stand other white people.

And you're up here worrying about black people thousand's of miles away (lol)

That really makes no sense.
First of all you say "White People" have been killing each other for decades......as if that's an excuse for drug dealers and gang members killing each other over turf or because somebody hurt their pride. It's one thing to us deadly violence because a country is invading it's neighbors. Yet another when some motherfucker called you a bitch. Wars start because one country sees that somebody has something they want and instead of trading with them they want to just take it. This isn't just White People that do this.

Try to keep it in perspective.

Whites have been killing each other for drugs and they have organized crime gangsters who kill each other route routinely. They kill each other because one called the other one a bitch also. Stop trying to make excuses for poor white behavior

 

[IM2]

a year old thread.


did any of the black posters give an actual reason why they cover for their bad actors?

Do any of the white potters admit they do the same things or worse?

So no, none of you had the courage to tell us why you do something so fucking stewpud.


good day

No we just don't have to explain to you why we do the same things whites do.

 

[IM2]

Racism is a behavioral system for the survival of White people so the expectation white people will change this behavior is highly unlikely.

What is the expectation that blacks will change away from black racism against whites (ex. Affirmative Action) ?

There is no black racism against whites as affirmative action was a policy created by whites.

 

[IM2]

the idea is a pretty worn out stereotype, black parents dont like their kids listening to rap music, just as much as white parents do.

What i would suggest is read some books by black authors and watch a few black movies if you want to learn about black people (assuming there are no black people where you live) rather than asking a mostly white internet forum

Black movies are usually about two things: slavery, or thug life.

Kinda like this black movie?

I eagerly await the video where you get your ass handed to you a cop in fear for his safety.

You'll be waiting for the rest of your life.

 

[IM2]

Black movies are usually about two things: slavery, or thug life.

Like what movies ?

• Boyz N The Hood
• Django Unchained
• New Jack City
• Juice
• American Gangster
• Rosewood
• Amistad
• Hustle & Flow
• All About The Benjamins
• The Help
• In The Heat Of The Night
• Menace II Society
• Set It Off
• Baby Boy
• Dead Presidents
• Poetic Justice
• Four Brothers
• 8 Mile
• In Too Deep
• South Central
• Colors
• Fresh
• Do The Right Thing
• Straight Outta Compton
• American Me
• Clockers
• Crooklyn
• Friday

Too bad these are not the only movies made about blacks. Try again and find them all.

 

[healthmyths]

).

You wrote "The absolute numbers are considerably different because Blacks are only 13% of country. In 2008 out-of-wedlock births were:"
BUT The absolute numbers indicate that as a percent of total population this is the FACT:
A) Blacks in 2008 constituted 37.3 million of the population and 1.2% out of wedlock births!
B) Whites in 2008 constituted 227.7 million but less then .3% of the wedlock births
Now you tell me which group had the largest percent of their population had the largest number of the out of wedlock births???
hmmm... seems the "black and white" facts are BLACKS had in 2008 4 times the number of out of wedlock births in proportion their population!
Historical racial and ethnic demographics of the United States - Wikipedia
Just one of SEVERAL facts your biased "comments" were wrong in totality!

I'll try and explain more clearly in case you misunderstood

The American illegitimacy rate by race in 2008 (Hispanics separate):

• 72.3% Blacks
• 65.8% Natives
• 52.6% Hispanic
• 28.7% Whites
• 16.9% Asians

These are states you look at. These are the stats you base your arguments on. This is where the “Over 70% of Black children are now born out of wedlock!” come from

The data is confusing. So I will try and explain it as clearly as possible.

When guys like you argue that there is an “illegitimacy” crisis in black America and that rising out-of-wedlock birthrates are the real cause of black folks’ problems, you demonstrate an inability to actually understand statistics.

The fact is, the birth rate for unmarried black women (births per 1000 such women of childbearing age) is dropping, not rising. For black teens, the birth rate has fallen by half since 1970 and is now at its lowest point ever, and for black women generally the out-of-wedlock birthrate is down by about a third in that same period of time.

It is true that the percentage of black births that are out-of-wedlock as a share of all black births has risen. OK ? Nearly doubling since 1970, and now stands at just over 72 percent.. OK.?

Both of these things are true: declining birth rates and fertility rates for unmarried black women (i.e., unmarried black women are increasingly being more and more “responsible” in conservative terms, not less), and also a climbing share of out-of-wedlock kids as a share of all black kids born.

The reason for these seemingly contradictory trends can best be explained like this:

Imagine a community of 100,000 people of childbearing age (50,000 men and 50,000 women), where half the men and women are married and half of each are single. Of the 25,000 single women, imagine that 500 had babies this year. This would represent a very small number, and an unmarried birth rate of 20 babies per 1000 women. You could also represent this by saying that only about 2% of single women in this community would have a baby out of wedlock this year, since most women would have only one child per year, and so the 500 babies born likely represent roughly 500 of the 25,000 women too.

But let’s say that that same year, for whatever reason, only 200 of the married women gave birth. In that case, 500 of the 700 babies born, or over 71 percent of all babies born in this community would be out-of-wedlock!

Oh my God! Send out the cultural police! But note, this result would not in any way reflect the widespread misbehavior of single women and their male companions — after all 98 percent of all unmarried women are not giving birth — but rather, it would reflect the fact that married couples were simply having even fewer kids than single women were.

And in fact, that is what has happened in the U.S. Even though single black women have cut back on how many babies they have while unmarried, married black women have cut back even further. So if single black women have reduced their birthrates by a third, but married couples have cut theirs by over half, or even two-thirds (which is the case), then obviously the percentage of births in the black community that are out-of-wedlock will rise.

But guys like you seize upon the latter of these facts while ignoring the context that explains it, is that your argument is first and foremost that black folks need to stop having babies out of wedlock. But the data says they are already cutting back on that, and dramatically so.

And since black single women are already cutting back on childbearing, there is only one other way that that 72 percent number could be brought down. But it is unlikely that ur going to push for it: namely, if black couples started having 5, 6, even 10 kids each, that number (the percentage of black births that are out of wedlock as a percentage of all black births) would be cut in half within a year or so.

So, since single black women are already behaving increasingly “responsibly” in terms of their childbearing behavior, how about it white man?

How about white people push for a massive increase in married black womens’ fertility ?

Maybe pass out fertility drugs so they can have triplets and quads ? Maybe encourage black women to go the “full Dugger family” and have 20?

That way, the share of out-of-wedlock births in the black community can plummet and everyone can stop talking about shit they don’t understand. Oh, and the black population would also skyrocket, so…

Yeah, I didn’t think so.

Using statistics to “prove” the pathology arguments as wrong. This can become just as spurious as using statistics to prove or invalidate any other black pathology argument. When I see all sorts of statistics manipulated to prove a point (without the usual rigour of a scientific study) I start to read things with a grain of salt, esp. when I know they could be manipulated to prove a different point.

Why do the illegitimacy rates fit 100% with racial IQ in the U.S.A?

The Bell Curve book supported this too.

But, it does make sense, those with higher intellects can plan ahead better, and that includes in their children planning.

Not to deny that there's some smart people with this problem, it just appears to be less common.

WAIT a minute! We have to take into account something that the black community won't admit and much of the white community doesn't comprehend.
Sociobiology is a field of biology that aims to examine and explain social behavior in terms of evolution. It draws from disciplines including ethology, anthropology, evolution, zoology, archaeology, and population genetics. Within the study of human societies, sociobiology is closely allied to Darwinian anthropology, human behavioral ecology and evolutionary psychology.Sociobiology - Wikipedia

The premise regarding black IQ using Sociobiology as such.
Blacks as a demographic DO have a lower IQ.
FACT:African Americans score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and math tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. The gap appears before children enter kindergarten and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on almost every standardized test. This statistic does not imply, of course, that all blacks score below all whites. There is a lot of overlap between the two groups. Nonetheless, the test score gap is large enough to have significant social and economic consequences.
The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done

Now from the sociobiological position WHY that is so is because one has to simply think like a white slave owner at that time in history.
What kind of slave would you want?
A) Strong and healthy.
B) Dumb and little if any self-esteem.

Why is obvious. So considering the objective, what kind of breeding would a white slave owner want to see happen?
Again pretty obvious.
Consequently while most Blacks will find this offensive and most Whites won't agree it is a fact.

So "whose" fault? Yes it was the "white slave" owner that breed his slaves but why then should the rest of the white community be responsible?
Well unknowingly WE have assumed the "reparations" that some Blacks have been pushing for...i.e. in this regard:

The War on Poverty has cost $22 trillion -- three times more than what the government has spent on all wars in American history.
Federal and state governments spend $1 trillion in taxpayer dollars on America's 80 means-tested welfare programs annually.
One-third of all Americans receive benefits from at least one welfare program.
The War on Poverty Has Cost $22 Trillion

Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment)
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 % Even though they constitute less then 13% of the population.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

In conclusion then... White America HAS been paying back blacks for their lack of IQ CAUSED by the objective of breeding Dumb,Strong blacks.
Blacks have succeeded in getting reparations in that with 39% blacks getting welfare, they only constitute 13% of the population!

 

[IM2]

).

You wrote "The absolute numbers are considerably different because Blacks are only 13% of country. In 2008 out-of-wedlock births were:"
BUT The absolute numbers indicate that as a percent of total population this is the FACT:
A) Blacks in 2008 constituted 37.3 million of the population and 1.2% out of wedlock births!
B) Whites in 2008 constituted 227.7 million but less then .3% of the wedlock births
Now you tell me which group had the largest percent of their population had the largest number of the out of wedlock births???
hmmm... seems the "black and white" facts are BLACKS had in 2008 4 times the number of out of wedlock births in proportion their population!
Historical racial and ethnic demographics of the United States - Wikipedia
Just one of SEVERAL facts your biased "comments" were wrong in totality!

I'll try and explain more clearly in case you misunderstood

The American illegitimacy rate by race in 2008 (Hispanics separate):

• 72.3% Blacks
• 65.8% Natives
• 52.6% Hispanic
• 28.7% Whites
• 16.9% Asians

These are states you look at. These are the stats you base your arguments on. This is where the “Over 70% of Black children are now born out of wedlock!” come from

The data is confusing. So I will try and explain it as clearly as possible.

When guys like you argue that there is an “illegitimacy” crisis in black America and that rising out-of-wedlock birthrates are the real cause of black folks’ problems, you demonstrate an inability to actually understand statistics.

The fact is, the birth rate for unmarried black women (births per 1000 such women of childbearing age) is dropping, not rising. For black teens, the birth rate has fallen by half since 1970 and is now at its lowest point ever, and for black women generally the out-of-wedlock birthrate is down by about a third in that same period of time.

It is true that the percentage of black births that are out-of-wedlock as a share of all black births has risen. OK ? Nearly doubling since 1970, and now stands at just over 72 percent.. OK.?

Both of these things are true: declining birth rates and fertility rates for unmarried black women (i.e., unmarried black women are increasingly being more and more “responsible” in conservative terms, not less), and also a climbing share of out-of-wedlock kids as a share of all black kids born.

The reason for these seemingly contradictory trends can best be explained like this:

Imagine a community of 100,000 people of childbearing age (50,000 men and 50,000 women), where half the men and women are married and half of each are single. Of the 25,000 single women, imagine that 500 had babies this year. This would represent a very small number, and an unmarried birth rate of 20 babies per 1000 women. You could also represent this by saying that only about 2% of single women in this community would have a baby out of wedlock this year, since most women would have only one child per year, and so the 500 babies born likely represent roughly 500 of the 25,000 women too.

But let’s say that that same year, for whatever reason, only 200 of the married women gave birth. In that case, 500 of the 700 babies born, or over 71 percent of all babies born in this community would be out-of-wedlock!

Oh my God! Send out the cultural police! But note, this result would not in any way reflect the widespread misbehavior of single women and their male companions — after all 98 percent of all unmarried women are not giving birth — but rather, it would reflect the fact that married couples were simply having even fewer kids than single women were.

And in fact, that is what has happened in the U.S. Even though single black women have cut back on how many babies they have while unmarried, married black women have cut back even further. So if single black women have reduced their birthrates by a third, but married couples have cut theirs by over half, or even two-thirds (which is the case), then obviously the percentage of births in the black community that are out-of-wedlock will rise.

But guys like you seize upon the latter of these facts while ignoring the context that explains it, is that your argument is first and foremost that black folks need to stop having babies out of wedlock. But the data says they are already cutting back on that, and dramatically so.

And since black single women are already cutting back on childbearing, there is only one other way that that 72 percent number could be brought down. But it is unlikely that ur going to push for it: namely, if black couples started having 5, 6, even 10 kids each, that number (the percentage of black births that are out of wedlock as a percentage of all black births) would be cut in half within a year or so.

So, since single black women are already behaving increasingly “responsibly” in terms of their childbearing behavior, how about it white man?

How about white people push for a massive increase in married black womens’ fertility ?

Maybe pass out fertility drugs so they can have triplets and quads ? Maybe encourage black women to go the “full Dugger family” and have 20?

That way, the share of out-of-wedlock births in the black community can plummet and everyone can stop talking about shit they don’t understand. Oh, and the black population would also skyrocket, so…

Yeah, I didn’t think so.

Using statistics to “prove” the pathology arguments as wrong. This can become just as spurious as using statistics to prove or invalidate any other black pathology argument. When I see all sorts of statistics manipulated to prove a point (without the usual rigour of a scientific study) I start to read things with a grain of salt, esp. when I know they could be manipulated to prove a different point.

Why do the illegitimacy rates fit 100% with racial IQ in the U.S.A?

The Bell Curve book supported this too.

But, it does make sense, those with higher intellects can plan ahead better, and that includes in their children planning.

Not to deny that there's some smart people with this problem, it just appears to be less common.

WAIT a minute! We have to take into account something that the black community won't admit and much of the white community doesn't comprehend.
Sociobiology is a field of biology that aims to examine and explain social behavior in terms of evolution. It draws from disciplines including ethology, anthropology, evolution, zoology, archaeology, and population genetics. Within the study of human societies, sociobiology is closely allied to Darwinian anthropology, human behavioral ecology and evolutionary psychology.Sociobiology - Wikipedia

The premise regarding black IQ using Sociobiology as such.
Blacks as a demographic DO have a lower IQ.
FACT:African Americans score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and math tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. The gap appears before children enter kindergarten and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on almost every standardized test. This statistic does not imply, of course, that all blacks score below all whites. There is a lot of overlap between the two groups. Nonetheless, the test score gap is large enough to have significant social and economic consequences.
The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done

Now from the sociobiological position WHY that is so is because one has to simply think like a white slave owner at that time in history.
What kind of slave would you want?
A) Strong and healthy.
B) Dumb and little if any self-esteem.

Why is obvious. So considering the objective, what kind of breeding would a white slave owner want to see happen?
Again pretty obvious.
Consequently while most Blacks will find this offensive and most Whites won't agree it is a fact.

So "whose" fault? Yes it was the "white slave" owner that breed his slaves but why then should the rest of the white community be responsible?
Well unknowingly WE have assumed the "reparations" that some Blacks have been pushing for...i.e. in this regard:

The War on Poverty has cost $22 trillion -- three times more than what the government has spent on all wars in American history.
Federal and state governments spend $1 trillion in taxpayer dollars on America's 80 means-tested welfare programs annually.
One-third of all Americans receive benefits from at least one welfare program.
The War on Poverty Has Cost $22 Trillion

Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment)
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 % Even though they constitute less then 13% of the population.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

In conclusion then... White America HAS been paying back blacks for their lack of IQ CAUSED by the objective of breeding Dumb,Strong blacks.
Blacks have succeeded in getting reparations in that with 39% blacks getting welfare, they only constitute 13% of the population!

More white lunacy. Whites did not breed dumb blacks. Whites made it illegal for blacks to read and to get educated. Plessy v Ferguson made it so blacks ad whites didn't have the same decent educational materials. Laws denying job opportunities kept the majority of blacks in low paying jobs. This still happens now. So this theory is again, more white lunacy.

 

[mudwhistle]

Black movies are usually about two things: slavery, or thug life.

Like what movies ?

• Boyz N The Hood
• Django Unchained
• New Jack City
• Juice
• American Gangster
• Rosewood
• Amistad
• Hustle & Flow
• All About The Benjamins
• The Help
• In The Heat Of The Night
• Menace II Society
• Set It Off
• Baby Boy
• Dead Presidents
• Poetic Justice
• Four Brothers
• 8 Mile
• In Too Deep
• South Central
• Colors
• Fresh
• Do The Right Thing
• Straight Outta Compton
• American Me
• Clockers
• Crooklyn
• Friday

Too bad these are not the only movies made about blacks. Try again and find them all.

No shit Sherlock.
Doesn't matter.....most of the movies and television out there push thug life as being black culture.
Just ask any so-called black leader that you have to act like this to be authentically black.

 

[IM2]

Black movies are usually about two things: slavery, or thug life.

Like what movies ?

• Boyz N The Hood
• Django Unchained
• New Jack City
• Juice
• American Gangster
• Rosewood
• Amistad
• Hustle & Flow
• All About The Benjamins
• The Help
• In The Heat Of The Night
• Menace II Society
• Set It Off
• Baby Boy
• Dead Presidents
• Poetic Justice
• Four Brothers
• 8 Mile
• In Too Deep
• South Central
• Colors
• Fresh
• Do The Right Thing
• Straight Outta Compton
• American Me
• Clockers
• Crooklyn
• Friday

Too bad these are not the only movies made about blacks. Try again and find them all.

No shit Sherlock.
Doesn't matter.....most of the movies and television out there push thug life as being black culture.
Just ask any so-called black leader that you have to act like this to be authentically black.

I'm black fool. I don't have to ask anyone in order to tell you that you're wrong.

 

[mudwhistle]

Black movies are usually about two things: slavery, or thug life.

Like what movies ?

• Boyz N The Hood
• Django Unchained
• New Jack City
• Juice
• American Gangster
• Rosewood
• Amistad
• Hustle & Flow
• All About The Benjamins
• The Help
• In The Heat Of The Night
• Menace II Society
• Set It Off
• Baby Boy
• Dead Presidents
• Poetic Justice
• Four Brothers
• 8 Mile
• In Too Deep
• South Central
• Colors
• Fresh
• Do The Right Thing
• Straight Outta Compton
• American Me
• Clockers
• Crooklyn
• Friday

Too bad these are not the only movies made about blacks. Try again and find them all.

No shit Sherlock.
Doesn't matter.....most of the movies and television out there push thug life as being black culture.
Just ask any so-called black leader that you have to act like this to be authentically black.

I'm black fool. I don't have to ask anyone in order to tell you that you're wrong.

Just because you're black doesn't mean you're not an imbecile.

 

[IM2]

Like what movies ?

• Boyz N The Hood
• Django Unchained
• New Jack City
• Juice
• American Gangster
• Rosewood
• Amistad
• Hustle & Flow
• All About The Benjamins
• The Help
• In The Heat Of The Night
• Menace II Society
• Set It Off
• Baby Boy
• Dead Presidents
• Poetic Justice
• Four Brothers
• 8 Mile
• In Too Deep
• South Central
• Colors
• Fresh
• Do The Right Thing
• Straight Outta Compton
• American Me
• Clockers
• Crooklyn
• Friday

Too bad these are not the only movies made about blacks. Try again and find them all.

No shit Sherlock.
Doesn't matter.....most of the movies and television out there push thug life as being black culture.
Just ask any so-called black leader that you have to act like this to be authentically black.

I'm black fool. I don't have to ask anyone in order to tell you that you're wrong.

Just because you're black doesn't mean you're not an imbecile.

And exactly what does this have to do with the thread topic?

 

[Asclepias]

Black movies are usually about two things: slavery, or thug life.

Like what movies ?

• Boyz N The Hood
• Django Unchained
• New Jack City
• Juice
• American Gangster
• Rosewood
• Amistad
• Hustle & Flow
• All About The Benjamins
• The Help
• In The Heat Of The Night
• Menace II Society
• Set It Off
• Baby Boy
• Dead Presidents
• Poetic Justice
• Four Brothers
• 8 Mile
• In Too Deep
• South Central
• Colors
• Fresh
• Do The Right Thing
• Straight Outta Compton
• American Me
• Clockers
• Crooklyn
• Friday

Too bad these are not the only movies made about blacks. Try again and find them all.

No shit Sherlock.
Doesn't matter.....most of the movies and television out there push thug life as being black culture.
Just ask any so-called black leader that you have to act like this to be authentically black.

only a dumb monkey like you could come with this bullshit.

 

[mudwhistle]

• Boyz N The Hood
• Django Unchained
• New Jack City
• Juice
• American Gangster
• Rosewood
• Amistad
• Hustle & Flow
• All About The Benjamins
• The Help
• In The Heat Of The Night
• Menace II Society
• Set It Off
• Baby Boy
• Dead Presidents
• Poetic Justice
• Four Brothers
• 8 Mile
• In Too Deep
• South Central
• Colors
• Fresh
• Do The Right Thing
• Straight Outta Compton
• American Me
• Clockers
• Crooklyn
• Friday

Too bad these are not the only movies made about blacks. Try again and find them all.

No shit Sherlock.
Doesn't matter.....most of the movies and television out there push thug life as being black culture.
Just ask any so-called black leader that you have to act like this to be authentically black.

I'm black fool. I don't have to ask anyone in order to tell you that you're wrong.

Just because you're black doesn't mean you're not an imbecile.

And exactly what does this have to do with the thread topic?

So now you forget what the OP was about?
BTW, what do you consider "Black Culture"???

I've seen it evolve over 6 decades.
Do you even know what it is you're arguing against?
Christ......I heard that crap about "It's a black thing....you wouldn't know" off and on for the last 45 years. I can't believe you're actually still using it.
That's how ignorant you sound.

 

[Asclepias]

Like what movies ?

• Boyz N The Hood
• Django Unchained
• New Jack City
• Juice
• American Gangster
• Rosewood
• Amistad
• Hustle & Flow
• All About The Benjamins
• The Help
• In The Heat Of The Night
• Menace II Society
• Set It Off
• Baby Boy
• Dead Presidents
• Poetic Justice
• Four Brothers
• 8 Mile
• In Too Deep
• South Central
• Colors
• Fresh
• Do The Right Thing
• Straight Outta Compton
• American Me
• Clockers
• Crooklyn
• Friday

Too bad these are not the only movies made about blacks. Try again and find them all.

No shit Sherlock.
Doesn't matter.....most of the movies and television out there push thug life as being black culture.
Just ask any so-called black leader that you have to act like this to be authentically black.

I'm black fool. I don't have to ask anyone in order to tell you that you're wrong.

Just because you're black doesn't mean you're not an imbecile.

The odds are against you being an imbecile if your Black. Since IM2 has made you look like a fool multiple times already we know who the real imbecile is.

 

[beagle9]

Not to generalize or blanket a race or people like what has been going on here, but yes heavy metal music does speak to ones character or their thinking in regards to what type of person can listen to that kind of music and stuff, and rap music also exhibits a kind of character and thinking among the individuals who are into that kind of music also. There are many facet's of people's characters that are then exhibited in the music they like, the music they perform or the music they listen too, just as it is with many other traits people have, their personalities, and their actions in which can define a person or an entire group in some cases all depending. Ever heard of the "dead heads" ?? They were a huge group of people or cult following in which followed the group called the Greatful Dead. These people had specific personality traits, a specific culture, and a hard core addiction to a rock group in life. They were proud of their cultive personalities. If don't want people to label or stereotype people into categories that one might not like, then it best to really assess the situation before joining up or taking part in the trends, in the latest cool things be it in thought of or in any movements be it political or other, and/or in groups that might not represent your ideology or views on life well.

Imo, song lyrics almost always reflect what is happening on the ground — things that have already happened or are happening as the lyrics are written. And they express closely the thoughts and actions of the people being written about.

Remember all of the old folk songs written during and following the depression. Many described in detail what was happening to the people during that period. The awful conditions, the poverty, the lack of work, the way they were treated, etc.

Later on, Chuck Barry wrote about the cafe with an open grill and a juke box playing night and day. We had a place exactly like that a half-block from the house I was raised in. I spent more time at that cafe than I spent at home.

I don’t like rap, and I don’t consider it music. (And I’ve known a lot of musicians who feel that way about rap). But I doubt there is any difference in the way it is used to depict true-to-life feelings, occurrences, and experiences.

People who write music almost always draw from their own life experiences and the things they see around them. If they didn’t do that, their music wouldn’t be believable, and they wouldn’t be able to tap into the emotions of their listeners.

And you’re right, beagle9, people almost always listen to the music that best reflects their own thinking.

The one exception, imo, are very young people. They can like almost any kind of music. Yet they’re often too young to understand the meanings of the lyrics because they’ve usually not experienced any of the things being described in the songs. It may be that very young listeners focus more on the sounds and rhythms rather than on the lyrics. Who knows.

And rap is not the only music blacks listen to. Still there are some rap songs that accurately reflect how we blacks feel. Like the rap song named fuck Donald Trump.

. That did get a chuckle out of me I have to admit, but it appears to be a sign of capitulation on your part.. lol.

Not really. Because rap is not the only music blacks listen to.

. Agree, but it is just one aspect of one's character, and if that aspect dominates one's character, then you (if are that character), could lose balance in life. It's the same with heavy metal, where as if a person allows it to dominate the character, then the balance between normal and abnormal behavior might erupt, and then it could begin to control or take over the person in many ways.

 

[beagle9]

Not really. Because rap is not the only music blacks listen to.

True. But the reported sales volumes are evidence that a sufficient number of young Blacks listen to this type of rap "music" to be more than adequate cause for concern:

Lyrics from some currently popular Black rap "artists:"
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"Kill the white people. We gonna make them hurt. Kill the white people but buy my record first; ha, ha, ha."

(Kill d'White People. Apache, Apache Ain't Shit, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.)
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"Niggas in the church say kill whitey all night long. The white man is the devil. The CRIPS and Bloods are soldiers I'm recruiting with no dispute. Drive-by shooting on this white genetic mutant. Let's go and kill some rednecks. Menace Clan ain't afraid. I got the .380. The homies think I'm crazy because I shot a white baby. I said. I said. I said kill whitey all night long. A nigga dumping on your white ass. Fuck this rap shit, nigga, I'm gonna blast. I beat a white boy to the motherfucking ground."

(Kill Whitey. Menace Clan. Da Hood. Rap-A-Lot Records.)
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"Devils fear this brand new shit. I bleed them next time I see them. I prey on these devils. Look what it has come to, Who you gonna run to when we get to mobbing, filling his body up with lead? Yah, cracker in my way. Slitting. Slit his throat. Watch his body shake. Watch his body shake. That's how we do it in the motherfucking San Francisco Bay. Sitting on the dock of the dirty with my AK."

(Heat--featuring Jet and Spice 1. Paris, Unleashed, 1998. Unleashed Records. Whirling Records.)
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"These devils make me sick. I love to fill them full of holes. Kill them all in the daytime, broad motherfucking daylight. 12 o'clock. Grab the Glock. Why wait for night."

(Sweatin Bullets. Brand Nubian. Everything Is Everything, 1994. Elektra Entertainment. Warner Communications.)
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"A fight, a fight, a ****** and a white. If the ****** don't win then we all jump in. Smoking all America's white boys."

(A Fight. Apache Ain't Shit. 1993, Tommy Boy Music. Time Warner, USA.)
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"I kill a devil right now. I say kill whitey all night long. I stabbed a fucking Jew with a steeple. I would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the fuck of it. Menace Clan kill a cracker, jack 'em even quicker. Catch that devil sleeping. Blow his fucking brains out."

(Fuck a Record Deal. Menace Clan. Da Hood. Rap-A-Lot Records. Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of Thorn EMI.)
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"To all my Universal Soldier's. Stay at attention while I strategize an invasion. The mission be assassination. Snipers hitting Caucasians with semi-automatic shots heard ‘round the world. My plot is to control the globe and hold the world hostage. See, I got a war plan more deadlier than Hitler. Lyrical specialist. Underworld terrorist. Keep the unity thick like mud. Pulling out gats. Launching deadly attacks."

(Blood for Blood; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, Wu-Tang Records.)
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"Won't be satisfied until the devils I see are all dead. My brother is sending me more guns from down South, pale face. It's all about brothers rising up. Wising up. Sizing up our situation. You be fucking with my turf when you be fucking with my race. Now face your maker and take your last breath. The time is half-past death. It's the Armageddon. Go into the garage. Find that old camouflage. Cracker-shooting nightly."

(What the Fuck. Brand Nubian. Everything Is Everything. Elektra Entertainment. Warner Communications. Time Warner, USA.)


"Like my niggas from South Central Los Angeles. They found that they couldn't handle us. Bloods> CRIPS. On the same squad with the Essays (Latino gangs). And nigga, it's time to rob and mob and break the white man.

(The Day the Niggaz Took Over. Dr Dre. The Chronic, 1993. Interscope Records, under Time Warner.)
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"Bust a Glock; devils get shot. When God give the word me herd like the buffalo through the neighborhood. Watch me blast. I'm killing more crackers than Bosnia-Herzegovina each and everyday. Don't bust until you see the whites of his eyes. The whites of his skin. Louis Farrakhan . Bloods and CRIPS and little old me. And we all getting ready for the enemy."

(Enemy. Ice Cube. Lethal Injection. Priority Records. Thorn EMI (now called The EMI Group), United Kingdom.)
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"Devil, to gangbanging there's a positive side and the positive side is this: Sooner than later the brothers will come to Islam and they will be the soldiers for the war. What war, you ask? Armageddon. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha."

Armageddon, RBX. The RBX Files. Premeditated Records. Warner Brother Records, Time Warner, USA. )
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"Subtract the devils that get smoked. We're people. Black people steal your mind back. Don't die in their wilderness. Let's point our heaters the other way.

(Dial 7. Diggable Planets. Blowout Comb, 1994. Pendulum Records. Thorn EMI (now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.)
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"Get them devil-made guns and leave them demons bleeding. Give them back whips and just feed them bullets."

(Wicked Ways. Sunz of Man. One Million Strong. The Album, 1995, Mergela Records,Solar/Hines Co., Prolific Records.)
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"It's time to send the devil to the essence. This is a must because there ain't no reform or trust. You get a Glock, you see a devil, bust. They'll be calling us the trigger men. The nappy-knotty red-beard devil-assassin. Lord make a law. At midnight I'll be bashing. Field niggas are locked in until 2005."

(Field Niggaz in a Huddle. Professor Griff. Blood of the Prophet. Lethal Records.)
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"He preys on old white ladies who drive the Mercedes with the windows cracked. You should've heard the bitch scream. Sticking guns in crackers' mouths. The cops can't stop it. Remember 4-29-92. Come on. Florence and Normandy coming to a corner near you. Cracker, we've been through your area. Mass hysteria. Led by your motherfucking Menace Clan."

(Mad Nigga. Menace Clan. Da Hood. Rap-A-Lot Records.)
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"The black man is god. Buy a Tec and let loose in the Vatican. I love the black faces. So put your Bible in the attic."

(Ain't No Mystery; Brand Nubian, In God We Trust, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.)
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"Dropping verses. Casting curses. Throwing these hexes on the devils. Respect to Farrakhan. But I'm the jungle-don. The new guerrilla. Top-ranked honky killer. What do blacks do. They just keep on blowing devils away. Devil fucking cracker. I'm tightening up the laces to my steel-toed boots. So I can walk. Stomp. We stomp this devil down in the park."

(Planet of da Apes. Da Lench Mob. Planet of da Apes. Priority Records. Thorn EMI (now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.)
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"We're having thoughts of overthrowing the government. The brothers and sisters threw their fists in the air. It's open season on crackers, you know. The morgue will be full of Caucasian John Doe's. I make the riot shit look like a fairy tale. Oh my god, Allah, have mercy, I'm killing them devils because they're not worthy to walk the earth with the original black man. They must be forgetting; it's time for Armageddon. And I won't rest until they're all dead."

(Goin Bananas. Da Lench Mob. Planet of da Apes. Priority Records. Thorn EMI (now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.)
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"The crackers ain't shit. Chase them out of the jungle. Now raise up off the planet. We get the 12 gauge; shot to the chest. We hitting devils up. Da Lench Mob. Environmental terrorist. I gripped the Glock and had to knock his head from his shoulders. I got the 30.06 on the rooftop. Pop, pop. So many devils die. Make sure I kill them. Lynch a thousand a week if it's necessary."

(Environmental Terrorist. Da Lench Mob. Planet of da Apes. Priority Records.)
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"Fuck them laws because the Mob is coming raw. Nigga, is you down because it's the Final Call. Grab your gat. Know the three will start busting. I'm trying to take them down. The war of wars with no fucking scores. April 29 was a chance to realize . The g.'s are out to kill. We got crackers to kill. Wending them back in on a ship to Europe. They deserve it. A nation-wide riot across America. This is the Final Call on black man and black woman. Rich and poor, rise up."

(Final Call Da Lench Mob. Planet of da Apes. Priority Records.)
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"Deal with the devil with my motherfucking steel . White man is something I tried to study. But I got my hands bloody. Yeah. I met Farrakhan and had dinner."

(When Will They Shoot. Ice Cube. The Predator. Priority Records.)
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"I pledge allegiance to only the black. Black, you had best prepare for the coming of war. Look at you devil. Now you're sweating. I'm telling you. You can't run from the hand of Armageddon. He eats his pig-steak rare so he can taste the blood."

(No Time. RBX. The RBX Files. Premeditated Records. Warner Brother Records. Time Warner, USA.)
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"Buck the devil; boom. Shoot you with my .22. I got plenty of crew. I take out white boys. We got big toys with the one-mile scope. taking whitey's throat."

(Buck tha Devil. Da Lench Mob. Guerrillas in tha Mist. Eastwest Records America. Elektra. Atlantic. Time Warner, USA.)
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"Camouflaged for the mission. Become Bonnie and Clyde. Carry .45's in these last days. An original black man with a plan to run these devils off our motherfucking land. The Sunz of Man war track. Kept gun in hand, stalking the land."

(Can I See You. Sunz of Man. Threat Records.)
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"I'm black with a bat, swinging at the head of a honky. The Terrorists about to murder your ass."

(Blow Dem Hoes Up. The Terrorists. Rap-A-Lot Records.)
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"Waiting for the crackers. Smuggle his mug is in the gutters. So we need your participation in the Caucasian assassination. Time is wasting. So who is in association with the ****** retaliation. It needs your total cooperation. A confrontation will be fought by the younger generation Because we got determination. All we need is organization."

(Purse Snatchers. Rush Associated Labels Recordings.)
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"The real black army is in jail. Come on my fellow prisoners. time to go to war. What we need to do is point the guns in the right direction. Me and my piece came to claim the brown man's cut. Infiltrate until it burns down. what we need to be talking about is what we gonna do to them. I'll get revenge if it's the last thing I do. they got us brainwashed to be the minority. but when we kill them off we gonna be the majority. If the whites speak up then I'll lead my people. Because two wrongs don't make it right but it damn sure make us equal. I'm inciting riots so let's start the looting. In this revolution I loathe my enemy."

(2 Wrongs. Rush Associated Labels Recordings.)

I'm not concerned about it. If you want to not be concerned end your racism.

As a white man you don't knw shit about our culture. What you are concerned about is in such small numbers that it won't happen. There happen to be back adults that do exist ok? And all those black kids will grow out of their rebellious years just like white kids do. So you're just a misguided racist talking stupid and actually I should charge you for my time.

. After what happened in Ferguson, I don't think it was just a bunch of teens out for a little fun. Many of the protest have gotten very serious, and innocent people have been killed as a result. You say end racism as so not to worry ?? Do you think that all whites are racist when made your statement in the context it was made in ??

 

[monkrules]

To tell my nieces and nephews that they can be anything they want to be if they try hard enough is nice, but unless I warn them about the obstacles in their path. I’m ill-suiting them for the real world.

Downplaying racism backfires. If a person is led to believe that there are no obstacles in their way. They may overestimate the extent to which whites will recognize their hard work. On the other hand, by discussing those obstacles black people who are the targets of unjust treatment can steel themselves against the headwinds in their way...
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The white supremacist controls Africa. There is no where on the planet you can go to and escape white supremacy. Saying "Go To Africa" is like a warden saying "Go to another prison"...

...The reason that blacks have not been able to prosper with indepedence in Africa lays with the fact that the European metropoles do not view these countries as equals they still view them as former colonies which are ripe for exploitation.

I'm not commenting on the points quoted directly above, but they do show the overall pessimistic tone of your every post. I just didn't want to qoute your entire lengthy post.
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Well, I read through a bit over half of your post. It's well written, the tone is reasonable, and there are no insults that I saw. But it should probably be in book form because of its length. I think I’ll wait for the movie, to get to the ending.
I think you could have saved yourself hours of typing by condensing your message into a single, well-worn line:
“It’s Whitey’s Fault!!!!!!!”

In other words, your overall message is the same old, same old.

By this point it’s clear that neither of us will convince the other to accept our position on the matter. No matter how right I am.

But I will add one last thought regarding work, life in general, pretty much anything you ever attempt: If you believe you can't make it, then you’re right.

Your every post blames white people for everything negative that happens in your life, and in the life of every other black person on the planet. Maybe your overall message could be published under the title: The Victim’s Manifesto: How To Be A Loser — Even In A Country Where Opportunity Beats A Path To Your Door.

 

[Asclepias]

Not to generalize or blanket a race or people like what has been going on here, but yes heavy metal music does speak to ones character or their thinking in regards to what type of person can listen to that kind of music and stuff, and rap music also exhibits a kind of character and thinking among the individuals who are into that kind of music also. There are many facet's of people's characters that are then exhibited in the music they like, the music they perform or the music they listen too, just as it is with many other traits people have, their personalities, and their actions in which can define a person or an entire group in some cases all depending. Ever heard of the "dead heads" ?? They were a huge group of people or cult following in which followed the group called the Greatful Dead. These people had specific personality traits, a specific culture, and a hard core addiction to a rock group in life. They were proud of their cultive personalities. If don't want people to label or stereotype people into categories that one might not like, then it best to really assess the situation before joining up or taking part in the trends, in the latest cool things be it in thought of or in any movements be it political or other, and/or in groups that might not represent your ideology or views on life well.

Imo, song lyrics almost always reflect what is happening on the ground — things that have already happened or are happening as the lyrics are written. And they express closely the thoughts and actions of the people being written about.

Remember all of the old folk songs written during and following the depression. Many described in detail what was happening to the people during that period. The awful conditions, the poverty, the lack of work, the way they were treated, etc.

Later on, Chuck Barry wrote about the cafe with an open grill and a juke box playing night and day. We had a place exactly like that a half-block from the house I was raised in. I spent more time at that cafe than I spent at home.

I don’t like rap, and I don’t consider it music. (And I’ve known a lot of musicians who feel that way about rap). But I doubt there is any difference in the way it is used to depict true-to-life feelings, occurrences, and experiences.

People who write music almost always draw from their own life experiences and the things they see around them. If they didn’t do that, their music wouldn’t be believable, and they wouldn’t be able to tap into the emotions of their listeners.

And you’re right, beagle9, people almost always listen to the music that best reflects their own thinking.

The one exception, imo, are very young people. They can like almost any kind of music. Yet they’re often too young to understand the meanings of the lyrics because they’ve usually not experienced any of the things being described in the songs. It may be that very young listeners focus more on the sounds and rhythms rather than on the lyrics. Who knows.

And rap is not the only music blacks listen to. Still there are some rap songs that accurately reflect how we blacks feel. Like the rap song named fuck Donald Trump.

. That did get a chuckle out of me I have to admit, but it appears to be a sign of capitulation on your part.. lol.

Not really. Because rap is not the only music blacks listen to.

. Agree, but it is just one aspect of one's character, and if that aspect dominates one's character, then you (if are that character), could lose balance in life. It's the same with heavy metal, where as if a person allows it to dominate the character, then the balance between normal and abnormal behavior might erupt, and then it could begin to control or take over the person in many ways.

Rap is obviously the greatest invention of our time. The proof is in the pudding. Many Blacks have been educated. Not in a white boy approved manner but educated nonetheless by rap. I liken it to the great oral tradition of Africa in general. Every single one of my inspirational songs are rap music.