Help me understand something about Black culture / behaviors/ beliefs?

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Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

m the rural South to the urban North after the abolition of slavery. The situation he discovered was one of race prejudice, ethnic competition, and a consequent black exclusion and inability to participate in mainstream society, all in the social context of white supremacy. This pattern of exclusion resulted in deep and debilitating social pathologies in the Black community, the legacy of which persists to this day."

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

a year old thread.


did any of the black posters give an actual reason why they cover for their bad actors?

I am not a Black poster, but I’ve been reading “The Code of the Street,” by Elijah Anderson. In it I have seen what I believe to be explanations for much of the violence in inner cities. I believe those the OP calls “quality blacks” do this also - explain, rather than excuse. You’ll see what I mean in these excerpts:

“In 1899 W.E.B. Du Bois published The Philadelphia Negro, which made a major contribution to our understanding of the social situation of African Americans in cities, although this was not appreciated at the time.

In today’s ghetto there appears to be much more crime and higher levels of violence and homicide than in the earlier period. In addition, an ideology of alienation supporting an oppositional culture has developed. Nowhere is this situation better highlighted than in the connection between drugs and violence, as young men involved in the drug trade often apply the ideology glorified in rap music to the problem of making a living and survival in what has become an oppositional if not an outlaw culture.

Du Bois was concerned with the reasons why Black Americans were poorly integrated into the mainstream system in the wake of their great migration from the rural South to the urban North after the abolition of slavery. The situation he discovered was one of race prejudice, ethnic competition and a consequent black exclusion and inability to participate in mainstream society, all in the social context of white supremacy. This pattern of exclusion resulted in deep and debilitating social pathologies in the black community, the legacy of which persists to this day. “

“This is the code of the street. The code is not new. It is as old as the world, going back to Roman times or the world of the shogun warriors or the early American Old South. And it can be observed in working class Scotch-Irish or Italian or Hispanic communities. But profound economic dislocation and the simultaneous emergence of an underground economy that thrives on the law of the jungle implicit in the code have exacerbated conditions in many communities. Equally important, the proliferation and availability of guns have further exacerbated such conditions. Most young boys in the inner cities know where they can get a gun without too much trouble.”

“Anyone who wants to understand the widespread social dislocation in the inner-city poor community must approach these problems – along with other urban ills – from a structural as well as a cultural standpoint. Liberals and conservatives alike today tend to stress values like individual responsibility when considering such issues as drugs, violence, teen pregnancy, family formation and the work ethic. Some commentators readily blame “welfare” for poverty and find it hard to see how anyone, even the poor, would deliberately deviate from the norms of the mainstream culture. But the profound changes our society is currently undergoing in the way it organizes work have enormous cultural implications for the ability of the populations most severely affected by these developments to function in accordance with mainstream norms.

The United States has for some time been moving from manufacturing to a service and high-tech economy in which the well-being of workers, particularly those with low skills and little education, is subordinated to the bottom line. In cities like Philadelphia certain neighborhoods have been devastated by the effects of deindustrialization. Many jobs have become automated, been transferred to developing countries or moved to nearby cities.

With widespread joblessness, many inner city people become stressed and their communities become distressed. Poor people adapt to these circumstances in the ways they know, meeting the exigencies of their situation as best they can. The kinds of problems that trigger moral outrage begin to emerge: teen pregnancy, welfare dependency, and the underground economy. The drug trade is certainly illegal, but it is the most lucrative and most accessible element of the underground economy and has become a way of life in numerous inner city communities.”

“The attraction of the violence-prone drug trade thus results from a combination of inadequate opportunity in the regular economy, on the one hand, and the imperatives of street life, on the other. The interplay between these two factors is powerfully at work in the social organization of the underground economy in inner-city neighborhoods.”

 

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Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

m the rural South to the urban North after the abolition of slavery. The situation he discovered was one of race prejudice, ethnic competition, and a consequent black exclusion and inability to participate in mainstream society, all in the social context of white supremacy. This pattern of exclusion resulted in deep and debilitating social pathologies in the Black community, the legacy of which persists to this day."

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

Caucasian male here....generalizing ofcourse.
Us quality Caucasians tend to condemn and distance ourselves from the white criminals, white trash, white drug addicts and just overall poor quality Caucasians among us...we do this not only because they are poor quality humans but also because we are mindful that we are and can be grouped in with the common behaviors of our majority...like it or not generalizing and stereotyping isn't going away....It seems like more times than not the quality blacks are too quick to make excuses for the lesser quality and almost never condemn their piers who make them look bad...in fact, I've even seen them almost support the behaviors. Isn't this constant excuse making for bad behavior basically giving the youth a justification for their actions and behaviors? How will they ever hold themselves accountable if it's always someone else or another cause that made them do it. Aren't you in a sense condoning such bad behaviors by not condemning?
It seems blacks only follow and listen to blacks so until well respected blacks who are basically mentors to the youth...such as the Drake and Kanye's condemn bad behaviors can't we be pretty certain that X cycles will continue?

a year old thread.


did any of the black posters give an actual reason why they cover for their bad actors?

I am not a Black poster, but I’ve been reading “The Code of the Street,” by Elijah Anderson. In it I have seen what I believe to be explanations for much of the violence in inner cities. I believe those the OP calls “quality blacks” do this also - explain, rather than excuse. You’ll see what I mean in these excerpts:

“In 1899 W.E.B. Du Bois published The Philadelphia Negro, which made a major contribution to our understanding of the social situation of African Americans in cities, although this was not appreciated at the time.

In today’s ghetto there appears to be much more crime and higher levels of violence and homicide than in the earlier period. In addition, an ideology of alienation supporting an oppositional culture has developed. Nowhere is this situation better highlighted than in the connection between drugs and violence, as young men involved in the drug trade often apply the ideology glorified in rap music to the problem of making a living and survival in what has become an oppositional if not an outlaw culture.

Du Bois was concerned with the reasons why Black Americans were poorly integrated into the mainstream system in the wake of their great migration from the rural South to the urban North after the abolition of slavery. The situation he discovered was one of race prejudice, ethnic competition and a consequent black exclusion and inability to participate in mainstream society, all in the social context of white supremacy. This pattern of exclusion resulted in deep and debilitating social pathologies in the black community, the legacy of which persists to this day. “

“This is the code of the street. The code is not new. It is as old as the world, going back to Roman times or the world of the shogun warriors or the early American Old South. And it can be observed in working class Scotch-Irish or Italian or Hispanic communities. But profound economic dislocation and the simultaneous emergence of an underground economy that thrives on the law of the jungle implicit in the code have exacerbated conditions in many communities. Equally important, the proliferation and availability of guns have further exacerbated such conditions. Most young boys in the inner cities know where they can get a gun without too much trouble.”

“Anyone who wants to understand the widespread social dislocation in the inner-city poor community must approach these problems – along with other urban ills – from a structural as well as a cultural standpoint. Liberals and conservatives alike today tend to stress values like individual responsibility when considering such issues as drugs, violence, teen pregnancy, family formation and the work ethic. Some commentators readily blame “welfare” for poverty and find it hard to see how anyone, even the poor, would deliberately deviate from the norms of the mainstream culture. But the profound changes our society is currently undergoing in the way it organizes work have enormous cultural implications for the ability of the populations most severely affected by these developments to function in accordance with mainstream norms.

The United States has for some time been moving from manufacturing to a service and high-tech economy in which the well-being of workers, particularly those with low skills and little education, is subordinated to the bottom line. In cities like Philadelphia certain neighborhoods have been devastated by the effects of deindustrialization. Many jobs have become automated, been transferred to developing countries or moved to nearby cities.

With widespread joblessness, many inner city people become stressed and their communities become distressed. Poor people adapt to these circumstances in the ways they know, meeting the exigencies of their situation as best they can. The kinds of problems that trigger moral outrage begin to emerge: teen pregnancy, welfare dependency, and the underground economy. The drug trade is certainly illegal, but it is the most lucrative and most accessible element of the underground economy and has become a way of life in numerous inner city communities.”

“The attraction of the violence-prone drug trade thus results from a combination of inadequate opportunity in the regular economy, on the one hand, and the imperatives of street life, on the other. The interplay between these two factors is powerfully at work in the social organization of the underground economy in inner-city neighborhoods.”

You see I wish I could say these things and not be called a radicalized black racist. Because it is what we have been saying. Now why are whites here who really don't want to hear an answer asking about black culture when there are as many if not more flaws in white vulture? Why does this thread even exist if you ask about black culture ad a black person tells you about black culture and you still tell them hey are wrong? What's are we trying to accomplish here? Do we want a discussion or is it that we want another white racist sounding board?

Because for whites here to even ask this question with no thread asking the same of themselves assumes they have no cultural problems which means they believe their culture is superior. And that is racist by definition.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Every U.S President must be a White Supremacist.

Lyndon Johnson's Civil Rights, and Affirmative Action = White Supremacist.

Nixon's Minority Business Development Agency = White Supremacist.

Reagan's Amnesty of over a million illegal Mexicans = White Supremacist.

H.W Bush's signing of the Diversity Visa = White Supremacist.

Clinton signing of the Trafficking Victims Protection act of 2000 signed by Clinton to allow illegal minors to stay = White Supremacist.

W Bush having the largest number of illegal Hispanics flood the country = White Supremacist.

Yes. and they are all white supremacists.

I didn't say that all white people hate black people.

There were many whites who supported slavery and Jim Crow segregation as social systems and yet managed to conjure personal kindness for individual black people.

White supremacy has little to with emotion and feelings.

Racism is not about not liking someone of another group. Racism is a systematic way of harming people of another group and that requires power and systems and the collective agreement by that group to support and participate in the mistreatment of people outside that group

A white supremacist can like a black person, sleep with black women, marry a black women, listen to black music, adopt a black child. They can do all that stuff but still be team white supremacy.

It's hilarious that you think all Whites are White supremacists, a complete delusional position in today's World.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Whites could very well go extinct, if these patterns continue.

And here we have the root of white racism. White genetic survival.

Black men can wipe out white, Asian and Latino races biologically. I put my seed in any women. I'll get a black child. White men can only have a white child with a white woman. Black people can even have white children with black women.

You put all the races into a pot and mix them up. You'd get a black man or women. The black man and women are the mothers and fathers of humanity

You're right whiteness is recessive and some whites fear that integration and miscegenation will result in the annihilation of the white race. Therefore, they established a global system of “White Supremacy” and its subsystems of racism and segregation to prevent this from happening.

White folks are the real numerical minority in the world.

Whites are painfully aware of this numerical imbalance.

Racism is a behavioral system for the survival of White people so the expectation white people will change this behavior is highly unlikely.

Not really, Mulattoes don't look completely Black.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Every U.S President must be a White Supremacist.

Lyndon Johnson's Civil Rights, and Affirmative Action = White Supremacist.

Nixon's Minority Business Development Agency = White Supremacist.

Reagan's Amnesty of over a million illegal Mexicans = White Supremacist.

H.W Bush's signing of the Diversity Visa = White Supremacist.

Clinton signing of the Trafficking Victims Protection act of 2000 signed by Clinton to allow illegal minors to stay = White Supremacist.

W Bush having the largest number of illegal Hispanics flood the country = White Supremacist.

Yes. and they are all white supremacists.

I didn't say that all white people hate black people.

There were many whites who supported slavery and Jim Crow segregation as social systems and yet managed to conjure personal kindness for individual black people.

White supremacy has little to with emotion and feelings.

Racism is not about not liking someone of another group. Racism is a systematic way of harming people of another group and that requires power and systems and the collective agreement by that group to support and participate in the mistreatment of people outside that group

A white supremacist can like a black person, sleep with black women, marry a black women, listen to black music, adopt a black child. They can do all that stuff but still be team white supremacy.

It's a big mistake on this forum for Whites to let you guys speak.

We must take the offensive.

Because there's no proof of Black equality.

Your premises is that Blacks were shat on making for Black issues, well that's true for many people who have much higher IQ's, and lower murder rates than Blacks.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I don't blame Blacks for wanting to rid their lands of Whites, just like I don't blame Whites for wanting to rid their lands of Blacks.

But, the truth is Zimbabwe failed hard-core under Mugabe.

The truth is the richest Blacks were long under White rule, like those in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, or the U.S.A, while some of the poorest Blacks weren't under White rule like Ethiopia, or Liberia.

So, how do you figure this is the White man's issue of Blacks being behind?

So how do you explain America which was not a white country?.

You ask stupid questions trying to deny what whites have done.

I'd actually support extending Native American nations within the U.S.A to protect them, and Whites from the multiculturalism promoting both of our extinctions.

What about you?

There is gong to be no white extinction. Native American nations already exist here.

Whites could very well go extinct, if these patterns continue.

There is no such thing as white genocide or the possibility of white extinction.

You are posting lunacy.

Whites in the 1960's were more than 88% of the population, now less than 50% of babies born, are born White in the U.S.A.

Oh yeah, if these patterns continue, Whites will eventually disappear.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Too bad these are not the only movies made about blacks. Try again and find them all.

No shit Sherlock.
Doesn't matter.....most of the movies and television out there push thug life as being black culture.
Just ask any so-called black leader that you have to act like this to be authentically black.

I'm black fool. I don't have to ask anyone in order to tell you that you're wrong.

Just because you're black doesn't mean you're not an imbecile.

And exactly what does this have to do with the thread topic?

So now you forget what the OP was about?
BTW, what do you consider "Black Culture"???

I've seen it evolve over 6 decades.
Do you even know what it is you're arguing against?
Christ......I heard that crap about "It's a black thing....you wouldn't know" off and on for the last 45 years. I can't believe you're actually still using it.
That's how ignorant you sound.

More like how much Black culture regressed over 6 decades.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Paul Essen will ignore 99% of your points, nitpick 1% of the points, and turn around the debate to put you on the defensive.

It's a big mistake to allow this guy to get his way.

While he bounces off IM2 to push everything into blame Whitey mode.

Unfortunately most Whites here have repeatedly allowed for these 2 to get their way.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

1.) You picked 2 half Jews.

2.) Jews are more likely to be victims of hate crimes than Blacks, or Muslims.

2015 FBI data: Jews were nearly 3X more likely than blacks, 1.5X more likely than Muslims to be a hate crime victim - AEI

3.) Some Whites are more anti-Jewish than anti-Black, my grand-parents, and parents were way more anti-Jewish, than anti-Black.

In fact, I'm probably more anti-Jewish, than anti-Black too.

Not exactly true, but most if what you say isn't true.

I just posted data proving a Jew is more likely than Blacks, or Muslims to be a victim of a hate crime.

Why is that?

What else? Harrison Ford, and Scarlett Johansson are both only half Jewish.

My grand-parents were very anti-Jewish, my Grandmother used to always talk about nervey Jews this, pushy Jew that, greedy Jew this.

They aren't. Try looking at the real FBI stats for hate crimes. Because when you do this you will see that the majority of hate crimes were done by race.

4.,216 people were victims of racial hate crimes with 52 percent if them, or 2192 blacks were victims of hate crimes. As fior religion there was 1,402 victims total. 52 percent if them or 729 were Jewish. That's from the FBI 2015 UCR

Victims

As usual you don't grasp proportions.

There's far more Blacks in the U.S.A, than Jews.

I grasp proportions very well . But to keep arguing using proportions is bullshit. You argue proportions only until the totals show what you want hen you don't use them. I argue using totals and that's the way its going to be. 3 times more blacks were victims if hate crimes than Jews and that's the way it is, So deal with it.

Just about everybody here has noticed you don't grasp proportions.

 

[Paul Essien]

I'm not commenting on the points quoted directly above

Unlike me who tries to comment on all of your points.

I know it's heavy. You white supremacists get running when you run into black men like me and IM2 and Asclepias who can counter all your points you got from stormfromt or the dailystormer

DON'T RUN

but they do show the overall pessimistic tone of your every post.

I don't care about being pessimistic. I don't sugar coat shit when I talk to white supremacists. Because white supremacists don't sugar-coat shit to black people. And understand I'm not in the business of telling sob stories to appeal to the pity of whites, As I've said many times.

White people have a heart of stone when it comes to black people.

You're the one coming at me with the usual "Black people are criminal, rapists, no good low lifes" etc your the one coming with the venom

The destructive behavior of whites towards black people is absolutely irrefutable. It’s basically constant across time and place. Whether we jumped back 200 years, 60 years, or stayed put; whether we went to South Africa, Congo, or the United States we’d find evidence of whites systematically destroying black people.

Yet whites behave as if this isn’t the case. In any analysis of present conditions, you become deliberately oblivious of context.

In Whitelandia (places where whites live as far away from black people) they’re not only physically separated from those who are not white but from their own group’s past and therefore, any causal relationship between the past and the present racial situation.

I think you could have saved yourself hours of typing by condensing your message into a single, well-worn line:
“It’s Whitey’s Fault!!!!!!!”

White people blame blacks all the time for the fallout of white racism.

When was the last time you saw something on television that showed how racist most whites are? Almost never.

White racism is always presented, at worst, as a case of a few bad apples, even though television itself is racist.

Yet blacks are frequently presented as being screwed up. Like it has absolutely nothing to do with the racism American society is built on.

As if black people want to be out of work and want to be poor and want to get in trouble with the police.

You want the advantages of living in a racist society but don't want to face up to the fact that that is what you are doing. Because that would mean you are a terrible, evil people.

Why in the world would a white person (like you) want to talk about black illegitimacy or black crime in particular?

Because you care about black crime or black illegitimacy ?

Every white person who tries to prove how screwed up black ppl supposedly are have no true concern for blacks. Because if you did, you'd be just as concerned about about white illegitimacy and white crime too.

In other words, your overall message is the same old, same old.

Yup. It's the same because white supremacy is the same old.

For you to accept that white supremacy is the root of the system we live in the U.S. as well as its extension throughout the planet, it would require a complete adjustment of everything you know to be true.

So it’s much easier to blame black people. Right ? As I've said b4

The issue is not about being white, and therefore “unable” to criticize black people.

Jesus, how anyone could believe that in a culture where white critique of black people is a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute pastime is beyond me.

Rather the issue is, What are you going to do about the problem ?

Because if the answer to this question is nothing, then you shouldn’t be surprised when the black peoples you criticize think you’re full of shit.

If I haven’t seen your face in our place, working on the issues that we prioritize as if our lives depended on it then why in God’s name should we presume your commitment to the cause?

By this point it’s clear that neither of us will convince the other to accept our position on the matter. No matter how right I am.

I do not write these posts to try and convince you or anyone.

To convince someone. You need three things:

1. Gain the reader’s trust
2. Appeal to the head
3. Appeal to the heart

Hitler said you just need the last.

My style of writing in regard to whites lacks the first and the last. So it will not convince most of them.

What ? Do you think that I think that what I write in hear is going to convince the likes of you Taz, bgrouse , SobieskiSavedEurope, Meathead or Mudda ?

Convincing whites to give up the benefits of racism, to give up a false pride in their race, to become outcasts from white society, to face their shame and guilt at benefiting from a racist society – all that is way, way, way beyond my powers.

I write about white people and racism for my own understanding.
.
For some reason you expect me to write to the white supremacist point of view.

• As if there are not enough people doing that already.
• As if white supremacists haven't got a man in the Oval Office who is going to do just that

You expect everything to be written for the white supremacist POV, even if a person in question isn’t white. On the other hand, who can blame you ? Most of the things ARE written to their POV. White people are generally unaccustomed to see stuff not written from their POV.

That my posts are such an affront to you speaks plenty about the privilege you posses, where even a single small instance of contrary opinions are a threat to you. And causes you to erupt like a hilarious volcano..

But I will add one last thought regarding work, life in general, pretty much anything you ever attempt: If you believe you can't make it, then you’re right.

Skip it.

You know perfectly well that black people have to be strongest and mentally toughest race out there.

White supremacist must wake up every day and say

Why can’t black people just die !!!!!

How is it possible that we are still here?

They never expected us to last this long and grow stronger despite all the drugs, war, molestation, slavery, guns, police brutality, AIDS, glass ceilings, minstrel shows/ media destruction/ music destruction, prison systems, killings of our boys and girls, poison water/ food supply, Katrina, Haiti etc…etc…etc.

You are baffled at our resilience and cannot come to terms with it. If whites were placed in our situation they would have died off centuries ago.

This is what they fear most but will never dare admit.

Your every post blames white people for everything negative that happens in your life, and in the life of every other black person on the planet.

Essentially, in these debates about race on USMB. I’ve often come across this slight of hand in many a long discussion.

There is this tendency to try and avert attention from the racist cause of the current effects of black social dysfunction with statements that basically boil down to this:

“The cause of your condition is your lack of willingness to implement my solution”

This is, of course, is a logical misrepresentation. A solution and a cause are two separate concepts.

If a bully is beating up a 3rd grader, the CAUSE of his black eye is not that he didn’t try hard enough to fight back. The CAUSE is not that he couldn’t run fast enough to get away. The CAUSE was not he couldn’t negotiate a deal with the bully not to hurt him. Those all represent SOLUTIONS, not causes.

Similarly, the CAUSE of the present condition of Black people in the U.S. is not that they haven’t availed themselves of any number of possible solutions, the CAUSE (for the most part) is still racism

Causation simply establishes the historical precedent as to how the problem got started. It is not meant to say that Blacks don’t bring their own problems to the table. It also doesn’t mean that we don’t concentrate strongly on promoting education, renovating our communities, giving young people better examples to follow, and speaking out against Black pathology whenever we encounter it.

The problem is that many racists (like yourself) want to begin the discussion based on Black pathology (what black people do wrong) with no acknowledgement of White causation. You want to make the CAUSE the fact that Blacks aren’t doing this or that instead of beginning with the White pathology the brought us to this point in the first place.

Once you correctly identify the CAUSE, this gives you a better perspective, and you can then move on to the prescribed SOLUTION.

Maybe your overall message could be published under the title: The Victim’s Manifesto: How To Be A Loser — Even In A Country Where Opportunity Beats A Path To Your Door.

Yes and black people are victim of the system of white supremacy

When whites complain about reverse racism or affirmative action, I do not notice anyone telling them to “Stop being a victim”.

Instead their complaints are taken seriously. You know, like they truly matter.

 

[Taz]

I'm not commenting on the points quoted directly above

Unlike me who tries to comment on all of your points.

I know it's heavy. You white supremacists get running when you run into black men like me and IM2 and Asclepias who can counter all your points you got from stormfromt or the dailystormer

DON'T RUN

but they do show the overall pessimistic tone of your every post.

I don't care about being pessimistic. I don't sugar coat shit when I talk to white supremacists. Because white supremacists don't sugar-coat shit to black people. And understand I'm not in the business of telling sob stories to appeal to the pity, as I've said many times.

White people have a heart of stone when it comes to black people.

You're the one coming at me with the usual "Black people are criminal, rapists, no good low lifes" etc your the one coming with the venom

The destructive behavior of whites towards black people is absolutely irrefutable. It’s basically constant across time and place. Whether we jumped back 200 years, 60 years, or stayed put; whether we went to South Africa, Congo, or the United States we’d find evidence of whites systematically destroying black people.

Yet whites behave as if this isn’t the case. In any analysis of present conditions, you become deliberately oblivious of context.

In Whitelandia (places where whites live as far away from black people) they’re not only physically separated from those who are not white but from their own group’s past and therefore, any causal relationship between the past and the present racial situation.

I think you could have saved yourself hours of typing by condensing your message into a single, well-worn line:
“It’s Whitey’s Fault!!!!!!!”

White people blame blacks all the time for the fallout of white racism.

When was the last time you saw something on television that showed how racist most whites are? Almost never.

White racism is always presented, at worst, as a case of a few bad apples, even though television itself is racist.

Yet blacks are frequently presented as being screwed up. Like it has absolutely nothing to do with the racism American society is built on.

As if black people want to be out of work and want to be poor and want to get in trouble with the police.

You want the advantages of living in a racist society but don't want to face up to the fact that that is what you are doing. Because that would mean you are a terrible, evil people.

Why in the world would a white person (like you) want to talk about black illegitimacy or black crime in particular?

Because you care about black crime or black illegitimacy ?

Every white person who tries to prove how screwed up black ppl supposedly are have no true concern for blacks. Because if you did, you'd be just as concerned about about white illegitimacy and white crime too.

In other words, your overall message is the same old, same old.

Yup. It's the same because white supremacy is the same old.

For you to accept that white supremacy is the root of the system we live in the U.S. as well as its extension throughout the planet, it would require a complete adjustment of everything you know to be true.

So it’s much easier to blame black people. Right ? As I've said b4

The issue is not about being white, and therefore “unable” to criticize black people.

Jesus, how anyone could believe that in a culture where white critique of black people is a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute pastime is beyond me.

Rather the issue is, What are you going to do about the problem ?

Because if the answer to this question is nothing, then you shouldn’t be surprised when the black peoples you criticize think you’re full of shit.

If I haven’t seen your face in our place, working on the issues that we prioritize as if our lives depended on it then why in God’s name should we presume your commitment to the cause?

By this point it’s clear that neither of us will convince the other to accept our position on the matter. No matter how right I am.

I do not write these posts to try and convince you or anyone.

To convince someone. You need three things:

1. Gain the reader’s trust
2. Appeal to the head
3. Appeal to the heart

Hitler said you just need the last.

My style of writing in regard to whites lacks the first and the last. So it will not convince most of them.

What ? Do you think that I think that what I write in hear is going to convince the likes of you Taz, bgrouse , SobieskiSavedEurope, Meathead or Mudda ?

Convincing whites to give up the benefits of racism, to give up a false pride in their race, to become outcasts from white society, to face their shame and guilt at benefiting from a racist society – all that is way, way, way beyond my powers.

I write about white people and racism for my own understanding.
.
For some reason you expect me to write to the white supremacist point of view.

• As if there are not enough people doing that already.
• As if white supremacists haven't got a man in the Oval Office who is going to do just that

You expect everything to be written for the white supremacist POV, even if a person in question isn’t white. On the other hand, who can blame you ? Most of the things ARE written to their POV. White people are generally unaccustomed to see stuff not written from their POV.

That my posts are such an affront to you speaks plenty about the privilege you posses, where even a single small instance of contrary opinions are a threat to you. And causes you to erupt like a hilarious volcano..

But I will add one last thought regarding work, life in general, pretty much anything you ever attempt: If you believe you can't make it, then you’re right.

Skip it.

You know perfectly well that black people have to be strongest and mentally toughest race out there.

White supremacist must wake up every day and say

Why can’t black people just die !!!!!

How is it possible that we are still here?

They never expected us to last this long and grow stronger despite all the drugs, war, molestation, slavery, guns, police brutality, AIDS, glass ceilings, minstrel shows/ media destruction/ music destruction, prison systems, killings of our boys and girls, poison water/ food supply, Katrina, Haiti etc…etc…etc.

You are baffled at our resilience and cannot come to terms with it. If whites were placed in our situation they would have died off centuries ago.

This is what they fear most but will never dare admit.

Your every post blames white people for everything negative that happens in your life, and in the life of every other black person on the planet.

Essentially, in these debates about race on USMB. I’ve often come across this slight of hand in many a long discussion.

There is this tendency to try and avert attention from the racist cause of the current effects of black social dysfunction with statements that basically boil down to this:

“The cause of your condition is your lack of willingness to implement my solution”

This is, of course, is a logical misrepresentation. A solution and a cause are two separate concepts.

If a bully is beating up a 3rd grader, the CAUSE of his black eye is not that he didn’t try hard enough to fight back. The CAUSE is not that he couldn’t run fast enough to get away. The CAUSE was not he couldn’t negotiate a deal with the bully not to hurt him. Those all represent SOLUTIONS, not causes.

Similarly, the CAUSE of the present condition of Black people in the U.S. is not that they haven’t availed themselves of any number of possible solutions, the CAUSE (for the most part) is still racism

Causation simply establishes the historical precedent as to how the problem got started. It is not meant to say that Blacks don’t bring their own problems to the table. It also doesn’t mean that we don’t concentrate strongly on promoting education, renovating our communities, giving young people better examples to follow, and speaking out against Black pathology whenever we encounter it.

The problem is that many racists (like yourself) want to begin the discussion based on Black pathology (what black people do wrong) with no acknowledgement of White causation. You want to make the CAUSE the fact that Blacks aren’t doing this or that instead of beginning with the White pathology the brought us to this point in the first place.

Once you correctly identify the CAUSE, this gives you a better perspective, and you can then move on to the prescribed SOLUTION.

Maybe your overall message could be published under the title: The Victim’s Manifesto: How To Be A Loser — Even In A Country Where Opportunity Beats A Path To Your Door.

Yes and black people are victim of the system of white supremacy

When whites complain about reverse racism or affirmative action, I do not notice anyone telling them to “Stop being a victim”.

Instead their complaints are taken seriously. You know, like they truly matter.

So how much reparations $$$ would you be satisfied with?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'm not commenting on the points quoted directly above

Unlike me who tries to comment on all of your points.

I know it's heavy. You white supremacists get running when you run into black men like me and IM2 and Asclepias who can counter all your points you got from stormfromt or the dailystormer

DON'T RUN

but they do show the overall pessimistic tone of your every post.

I don't care about being pessimistic. I don't sugar coat shit when I talk to white supremacists. Because white supremacists don't sugar-coat shit to black people. And understand I'm not in the business of telling sob stories to appeal to the pity of whites, As I've said many times.

White people have a heart of stone when it comes to black people.

You're the one coming at me with the usual "Black people are criminal, rapists, no good low lifes" etc your the one coming with the venom

The destructive behavior of whites towards black people is absolutely irrefutable. It’s basically constant across time and place. Whether we jumped back 200 years, 60 years, or stayed put; whether we went to South Africa, Congo, or the United States we’d find evidence of whites systematically destroying black people.

Yet whites behave as if this isn’t the case. In any analysis of present conditions, you become deliberately oblivious of context.

In Whitelandia (places where whites live as far away from black people) they’re not only physically separated from those who are not white but from their own group’s past and therefore, any causal relationship between the past and the present racial situation.

I think you could have saved yourself hours of typing by condensing your message into a single, well-worn line:
“It’s Whitey’s Fault!!!!!!!”

When was the last time you saw something on television that showed how racist most whites are? Almost never.

The Liberal Jews tried that with All in the Family, and it failed it's objective, because more Whites identified with the Racist Archie Bunker on All in the Family, than with the anti-Racist Mike Stivic.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'm not commenting on the points quoted directly above

Unlike me who tries to comment on all of your points.

I know it's heavy. You white supremacists get running when you run into black men like me and IM2 and Asclepias who can counter all your points you got from stormfromt or the dailystormer

DON'T RUN

but they do show the overall pessimistic tone of your every post.

I don't care about being pessimistic. I don't sugar coat shit when I talk to white supremacists. Because white supremacists don't sugar-coat shit to black people. And understand I'm not in the business of telling sob stories to appeal to the pity of whites, As I've said many times.

White people have a heart of stone when it comes to black people.

You're the one coming at me with the usual "Black people are criminal, rapists, no good low lifes" etc your the one coming with the venom

The destructive behavior of whites towards black people is absolutely irrefutable. It’s basically constant across time and place. Whether we jumped back 200 years, 60 years, or stayed put; whether we went to South Africa, Congo, or the United States we’d find evidence of whites systematically destroying black people.

Yet whites behave as if this isn’t the case. In any analysis of present conditions, you become deliberately oblivious of context.

In Whitelandia (places where whites live as far away from black people) they’re not only physically separated from those who are not white but from their own group’s past and therefore, any causal relationship between the past and the present racial situation.

I think you could have saved yourself hours of typing by condensing your message into a single, well-worn line:
“It’s Whitey’s Fault!!!!!!!”

What ? Do you think that I think that what I write in hear is going to convince the likes of you Taz, bgrouse , SobieskiSavedEurope, Meathead or Mudda ?

Convincing whites to give up the benefits of racism, to give up a false pride in their race, to become outcasts from white society, to face their shame and guilt at benefiting from a racist society – all that is way, way, way beyond my powers.

No, more like we see more detriments, than benefits from an anti-Racist, pro-Black society.

Which is true, places like Detroit, or Saint Louis, or New Orleans, and Chicago etc. were in better shape pre-Civil Rights.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'm not commenting on the points quoted directly above

Unlike me who tries to comment on all of your points.

I know it's heavy. You white supremacists get running when you run into black men like me and IM2 and Asclepias who can counter all your points you got from stormfromt or the dailystormer

DON'T RUN

but they do show the overall pessimistic tone of your every post.

I don't care about being pessimistic. I don't sugar coat shit when I talk to white supremacists. Because white supremacists don't sugar-coat shit to black people. And understand I'm not in the business of telling sob stories to appeal to the pity of whites, As I've said many times.

White people have a heart of stone when it comes to black people.

You're the one coming at me with the usual "Black people are criminal, rapists, no good low lifes" etc your the one coming with the venom

The destructive behavior of whites towards black people is absolutely irrefutable. It’s basically constant across time and place. Whether we jumped back 200 years, 60 years, or stayed put; whether we went to South Africa, Congo, or the United States we’d find evidence of whites systematically destroying black people.

Yet whites behave as if this isn’t the case. In any analysis of present conditions, you become deliberately oblivious of context.

In Whitelandia (places where whites live as far away from black people) they’re not only physically separated from those who are not white but from their own group’s past and therefore, any causal relationship between the past and the present racial situation.

I think you could have saved yourself hours of typing by condensing your message into a single, well-worn line:
“It’s Whitey’s Fault!!!!!!!”

Yes and black people are victim of the system of white supremacy

Well, then obviously Jews, Poles, and Russians were bigger victims of Nazis (German Supremacists) than Black Americans were.

How come the IQ of these groups is much higher than that of Black Americans?

Heck, even when Poland was Communist in the 1970's - 1980's it scored a 99 IQ, and Russia a 96 IQ during Communism.

That's when people waited on breadlines starving, and if they spoke out against the government, could end up like Jerzy Popieluszko killed for the truth.

The facts are Black Americans in the 1990's scored a 85 IQ, much lower, despite better circumstances.

So, how does this prove any kind of Black equality, it proves much the opposite.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'm not commenting on the points quoted directly above

Unlike me who tries to comment on all of your points.

I know it's heavy. You white supremacists get running when you run into black men like me and IM2 and Asclepias who can counter all your points you got from stormfromt or the dailystormer

DON'T RUN

but they do show the overall pessimistic tone of your every post.

You know perfectly well that black people have to be strongest and mentally toughest race out there.

White supremacist must wake up every day and say

Why can’t black people just die !!!!!

How is it possible that we are still here?

They never expected us to last this long and grow stronger despite all the drugs, war, molestation, slavery, guns, police brutality, AIDS, glass ceilings, minstrel shows/ media destruction/ music destruction, prison systems, killings of our boys and girls, poison water/ food supply, Katrina, Haiti etc…etc…etc.

So mentally tough, and strong that they for the most part stand clear of both mentally tough, or physically tough jobs?

Actually it looks like we had to import Mexicans to replace you for manual labor...

 

[Paul Essien]

Well, then obviously Jews, Poles, and Russians were bigger victims of Nazis (German Supremacists) than Black Americans were.
How come the IQ of these groups is much higher than that of Black Americans?

• Are you saying that high IQ equals intelligence ?
• Are you saying that black people are less intelligent that white people ?
• Are you saying that evolution stopped from the neck up if you have black darker skin ?
• Are you saying that the brain decided to develop differently if you had black skin ?
• Are you saying that the people at the top of Polish society (who probably have higher IQs) are just more intelligent than those at the bottom ?
• Are you saying that black people are sub species of mankind ?
• Are you saying that Poles and Russians are two different species ?

 

[Paul Essien]

Paul Essen will ignore 99% of your points, nitpick 1% of the points, and turn around the debate to put you on the defensive.

It's a big mistake to allow this guy to get his way.

While he bounces off IM2 to push everything into blame Whitey mode.

Unfortunately most Whites here have repeatedly allowed for these 2 to get their way.

I just don't allow you to frame the debate that's all.

The problem that you have is that you try to go logical. Once a white supremacist tries to go logical then it's pretty easy to debate them.

What really frustrates you is that in the back of your mind there is some crawling doubt that........ I might be right.

So you keep on opposing what I have to say.

You think you're having a debate, but since you mostly derail convo’s by ad homing you think you win.

Yet at some level you know you didn't win. So you come back. Because the doubt has not been killed off…..sometimes a baby just has to cry

 

[Paul Essien]

It's a big mistake on this forum for Whites to let you guys speak.

We must take the offensive.

Because there's no proof of Black equality.

Your premises is that Blacks were shat on making for Black issues, well that's true for many people who have much higher IQ's, and lower murder rates than Blacks.

I'm not the one running around this forum trying prove how stupid white people are or trying to prove how inferior white people are.

This is what makes you comical, the inability to simply write; ‘I don’t know’. You try to give the impression that you do. Instead of trying to learn, you wish to argue.

If you really did believe you own claims, you would not be here debating people you claim (Black people) to have Down’s Syndrome level I.Q. That is the truly sad thing.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'm not commenting on the points quoted directly above

Unlike me who tries to comment on all of your points.

I know it's heavy. You white supremacists get running when you run into black men like me and IM2 and Asclepias who can counter all your points you got from stormfromt or the dailystormer

DON'T RUN

but they do show the overall pessimistic tone of your every post.

You know perfectly well that black people have to be strongest and mentally toughest race out there.

Polish people are the strongest, and mentally toughest people.

- Mariusz Pudzianowski the biggest winner of the World's Strongest Man Competition.

- Rob Gronkowski tight end records on his first season in the NFL.

- Bill Romanowski a beast in the NFL.

- Andrew Golota beat up Riddick Bowe the champion so bad, he gave him brain-damage.

- Dariusz Michalczewski one of the longest winning boxers.

- Robert Lewandowski a top rated Soccer striker.

- Peter Bolewslaw Schmeichel a top rated Soccer Goalie.

- Dirk Nowtizki a good basketball player.

- Adam Henryk Małysz successful Ski jumper.

- Kamil Stoch a successful Ski jumper.

- Przemyslaw Saleta a former Kick-boxing champion

- Krysztof Soszynski a good MMA fighter.

- Wayne Gretzky the king of Hockey.

- Battle of Kircholm in 1605 3,500 Poles beat over 10,000 Swedes, killing, or capturing 8,000 Swedes.

- Battle of Klushino in 1610 6,000 Poles beat 35,000 Russian, and Swedish forces, leading to the capture, and thus conquering of Russia in the Russian Homage, the only people in Europe to do so.

- Battle of Podhajce in 1667 3,000 Polish soldiers, and 6,000 Polish peasants beat 20,000 Islamic Tatars, 15,000 Cossacks, and 3,000 Islamic Turk Jannisaries.

- Siege of Kemenets in 1672 1,500 Poles held 80,000 Islamic Turks for 9 days.

- Battle of Trembowla in 1676 280 Polish poorly trained peasants, held off 30,000 Islamic Turks / Tatars for about 20 days.

- Battle of Hodow in 1694 400 Poles beat 40,000 Islamic Tatars.

- Battle of Fuengirola in 1810 400 Poles beat 3,500 British ,and 1,000 Spanish forces.

- Battle of Olszynka Grochowska in 1831 36,000 Poles beat 60,000 Russian forces.

- Battle of Zadwórze in 1920 330 Poles held off the 18,000 First Calvary Division killing 600 Soviets.

- Battle of Komarow in 1920 700 Poles beat 17,500 Soviet forces.

- Battle of Wizna in 1939 700 Poles held off over 40,000 Nazis for 3 days.

- Operation Ostra Brama in 1944 4,200 Poles beat 7,000 Germans.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Paul Essen will ignore 99% of your points, nitpick 1% of the points, and turn around the debate to put you on the defensive.

It's a big mistake to allow this guy to get his way.

While he bounces off IM2 to push everything into blame Whitey mode.

Unfortunately most Whites here have repeatedly allowed for these 2 to get their way.

I just don't allow you to frame the debate that's all.

The problem that you have is that you try to go logical. Once a white supremacist tries to go logical then it's pretty easy to debate them.

What really frustrates you is that in the back of your mind there is some crawling doubt that........ I might be right.

So you keep on opposing what I have to say.

You think you're having a debate, but since you mostly derail convo’s by ad homing you think you win.

Yet at some level you know you didn't win. So you come back. Because the doubt has not been killed off…..sometimes a baby just has to cry

Some basic research on you, shows you go so far to call all the Knights at King Arthur's Round Table as Blacks, the first King of Norway as Black, and the first Celtic Priests as Black.

Way to be beyond logical.