HERE is a WORTHY read from a lefty TARGET, Victor Davis Hanson

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He is insightful. And he's right.

I am not going to violate the USMB TOS by copying and pasting the whole piece. But here is just a snippet or three:

The Left would rather forget its old slogan, “Bush lied, thousands died.” The very mention of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and Iraq was toxic for Republicans by 2005. They wanted to forget about the supposed absence of recently manufactured WMD in great quantities in Iraq; Democrats saw Republican defensiveness as key to their recovery in 2006. By the time Obama was elected, the issue had been demagogued to death, was no longer of any political utility, and so vanished. So why all of a sudden is the New York Times strangely focused on old WMD stockpiles showing up in Iraq? Is the subtext perhaps that the rise of ISIS poses an existential threat in such a dangerous landscape (and by extension offers an explanation for the current bombing)? Or are we to be reminded that Bush stirred up a WMD hornets’ nest that Obama was forced to deal with? Or is the sudden interest intended to preempt the story now before we learn that ISIS routinely employs WMD against the Kurds? How strange that Iraq, WMD, bombing, and preemption reappear in the news, but now without the hysteria of the Bush era. Indeed, for the last two years, reports of WMD of some sort have popped up weekly in Syria and Iraq. Bashar Assad has used them, apparently with strategic profit, both in deterring his enemies and in embarrassing the red lines of Barack Obama, who had threatened to bomb him if he dared use them. ISIS is rumored to have attempted to use mustard gas against the Kurds. Iraqi depots are periodically found, even as they are often dismissed as ossified beyond the point of easy use, or as already calibrated and rendered inert by either U.N. inspectors or U.S. occupation forces. But where did all the WMD come from, and why the sudden fright now about these stockpiles’ being deployed? For much of the Bush administration we heard from the Left the refrain, “Bush lied, thousands died,” as if the president had cooked intelligence reports to conjure up a nonexistent threat from Saddam Hussein’s stockpiles of WMD — stockpiles that Bill Clinton had insisted until his last days in office posed an existential threat to the United States. Apparently if a horde of gas shells of 20th-century vintage was found, it was then deemed irrelevant — as if WMD in Iraq could only be defined as huge Iraqi plants turning out 21st-century stockpiles weeks before the invasion. The smear of Bush was the bookend of another popular canard, the anti-Bush slogan “No blood for oil.” Once the fact that the U.S. did not want Iraqi oil was indisputable, that slander metamorphosed. Almost immediately the Left pivoted and charged that we were not so much oil sinister as oil stupid. If the Iraqi oil ministry, for the first time in its history, was both acting transparently and selling oil concessions to almost anyone except American companies, it was now cast as typically ungracious in not appreciating the huge American expenditure of blood and treasure that had allowed it such latitude. Was the Iraq War then a stupid war that helped Russia and the Chinese? Poor Bush ended up not so much sinister as a naïf. Although we don’t hear much any more about “No blood for oil,” the lie about “Bush lied, thousands died” has never been put to rest.

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The Biggest Lie , by Victor Davis Hanson, National Review [my emphasis added]
 
the Times’ report reveals that “between 2004-2011, American troops fighting in the Iraq War found over 5,000 chemical warheads, shells, and aviation bombs. The discoveries were never publicly disclosed by the military; U.S. soldiers who were exposed to nerve agents like sarin and mustard gas while attempting to remove conventional weapons were denied appropriate medical care and ordered to remain silent about yet another miscalculation of the Iraq War. “

Seems to me that the government already knew but didn't want it out.




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to address the truth -- or reality -- would interfere with the false liberal Democrat narrative .
 
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Did he "lie"? These days, different people appear to have different opinions of what a "lie" is, so the question is essentially irrelevant.

What Bush DID do was CHOOSE to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and engage in nation-building.

The result? Trillions of borrowed dollars spent, an emboldened Iran, an emboldened Russia, a Middle East in flames, and the lives, limbs and minds of thousands of brave, young American soldiers destroyed.

I would think conservatives would do everything they could to let people forget Bush's decisions to go to war.
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Did he "lie"? These days, different people appear to have different opinions of what a "lie" is, so the question is essentially irrelevant.

What Bush DID do was CHOOSE to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and engage in nation-building.

The result? Trillions of borrowed dollars spent, an emboldened Iran, an emboldened Russia, a Middle East in flames, and the lives, limbs and minds of thousands of brave, young American soldiers destroyed.

I would think conservatives would do everything they could to let people forget Bush's decisions to go to war.
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I actually agree in very small part. The decision to go to war in Iraq was obviously a part of a conscious decision.

But, whereas the liberal mantra ("Bush lied, people died") is predicated itself on a deliberate lie, guys like you are oddly silent on THAT.

It is in the national interest to be willing to discuss (honestly, fully, openly) the wisdom or the lack of wisdom of the decision to go into Iraq after the 9/11/2001 atrocities.

That does not mean it is in the national interest (although it is in the partisan hack interest of liberals and Democratics) to perpetuate the false story that "Bush lied, people died."


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Did he "lie"? These days, different people appear to have different opinions of what a "lie" is, so the question is essentially irrelevant.

This explains everything wrong with us today. People have different definitions for commonly understood terms and use double talk to ask questions like "What is a lie?"
 
Did he "lie"? These days, different people appear to have different opinions of what a "lie" is, so the question is essentially irrelevant.

This explains everything wrong with us today. People have different definitions for commonly understood terms and use double talk to ask questions like "What is a lie?"

The old definition was a willful falsehood. Nowadays? It depends on who says it, and the listeners political goals.
 
Did he "lie"? These days, different people appear to have different opinions of what a "lie" is, so the question is essentially irrelevant.

This explains everything wrong with us today. People have different definitions for commonly understood terms and use double talk to ask questions like "What is a lie?"

Indeed. "Misunderstood", "Taken out of context", and "Partisan spin" are the terms we most often hear from Democrats attempting to justify their most obvious lies.
 

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