Hillary and Margaret Sanger

[Redfish]

Funny, he was a member of the KKK. Your attempt to rewrite history is amusing at best.

Your premise is that no one can change.

Kind of like Reagan was an FDR Democrat his whole life.

the point is not whether people can change--they can. But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it. The stats on the votes have been posted, they are what they are.

Most Democrats voted FOR The Civil Rights Act. It is unbelievable you are here arguing from such a point of ignorance. Go away.

the ignorance is yours:

From Wikipedia:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Every number there shows the Democratic Party majority FOR The Civil Rights bill.

You said: But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it.

Jesus Christ.

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

 

[NYcarbineer]

She praises Sanger's work. What's wrong with that?

because Sanger was dedicated to reducing the black birth rate because she considered them inferior humans. Check the stats on the numbers of black vs white abortions performed by PP.

What was the merit to encouraging poor people to have huge families back in the early 20th century?

you don't know?

I'm asking you. You're condemning Sanger for working to make birth control more available.

geez man, pay attention. She made abortion of blacks more available because she considered them sub-human. She was a terrible person and Hillary adores her.

this is not about condoms and BC pills, its about aborting black babies.

She did no such thing.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Your premise is that no one can change.

Kind of like Reagan was an FDR Democrat his whole life.

the point is not whether people can change--they can. But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it. The stats on the votes have been posted, they are what they are.

Most Democrats voted FOR The Civil Rights Act. It is unbelievable you are here arguing from such a point of ignorance. Go away.

the ignorance is yours:

From Wikipedia:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Every number there shows the Democratic Party majority FOR The Civil Rights bill.

You said: But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it.

Jesus Christ.

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

You said most Democrats voted against it.

You either lied or you can't read. Which is it?

 

[Redfish]

because Sanger was dedicated to reducing the black birth rate because she considered them inferior humans. Check the stats on the numbers of black vs white abortions performed by PP.

What was the merit to encouraging poor people to have huge families back in the early 20th century?

you don't know?

I'm asking you. You're condemning Sanger for working to make birth control more available.

geez man, pay attention. She made abortion of blacks more available because she considered them sub-human. She was a terrible person and Hillary adores her.

this is not about condoms and BC pills, its about aborting black babies.

She did no such thing.

Are you living under a rock? What do you think PP does today? It aborts babies (mostly black babies) and sells their body parts. You really need to do some research on this before you make a complete fool of yourself.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Your premise is that no one can change.

Kind of like Reagan was an FDR Democrat his whole life.

the point is not whether people can change--they can. But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it. The stats on the votes have been posted, they are what they are.

Most Democrats voted FOR The Civil Rights Act. It is unbelievable you are here arguing from such a point of ignorance. Go away.

the ignorance is yours:

From Wikipedia:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Every number there shows the Democratic Party majority FOR The Civil Rights bill.

You said: But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it.

Jesus Christ.

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

You're right about this Fish! The conservatives filibustered and tried to stop its passage.

 

[Redfish]

the point is not whether people can change--they can. But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it. The stats on the votes have been posted, they are what they are.

Most Democrats voted FOR The Civil Rights Act. It is unbelievable you are here arguing from such a point of ignorance. Go away.

the ignorance is yours:

From Wikipedia:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Every number there shows the Democratic Party majority FOR The Civil Rights bill.

You said: But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it.

Jesus Christ.

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

You said most Democrats voted against it.

You either lied or you can't read. Which is it?

Let me correct the record. A larger % of republicans voted for it than democrats. Democrats fillibustered it. Happy now?

 

[Redfish]

the point is not whether people can change--they can. But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it. The stats on the votes have been posted, they are what they are.

Most Democrats voted FOR The Civil Rights Act. It is unbelievable you are here arguing from such a point of ignorance. Go away.

the ignorance is yours:

From Wikipedia:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Every number there shows the Democratic Party majority FOR The Civil Rights bill.

You said: But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it.

Jesus Christ.

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

You're right about this Fish! The conservatives filibustered and tried to stop its passage.

grow up. democrats filibustered it. conservative and liberal labels did not exist in those days.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most Democrats voted FOR The Civil Rights Act. It is unbelievable you are here arguing from such a point of ignorance. Go away.

the ignorance is yours:

From Wikipedia:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Every number there shows the Democratic Party majority FOR The Civil Rights bill.

You said: But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it.

Jesus Christ.

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

You said most Democrats voted against it.

You either lied or you can't read. Which is it?

Let me correct the record. A larger % of republicans voted for it than democrats. Democrats fillibustered it. Happy now?

No. I want a real apology.

 

[Redfish]

the ignorance is yours:

From Wikipedia:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Every number there shows the Democratic Party majority FOR The Civil Rights bill.

You said: But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it.

Jesus Christ.

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

You said most Democrats voted against it.

You either lied or you can't read. Which is it?

Let me correct the record. A larger % of republicans voted for it than democrats. Democrats fillibustered it. Happy now?

No. I want a real apology.

I'm sorry that I make a fool of you in every thread.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most Democrats voted FOR The Civil Rights Act. It is unbelievable you are here arguing from such a point of ignorance. Go away.

the ignorance is yours:

From Wikipedia:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Every number there shows the Democratic Party majority FOR The Civil Rights bill.

You said: But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it.

Jesus Christ.

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

You're right about this Fish! The conservatives filibustered and tried to stop its passage.

grow up. democrats filibustered it. conservative and liberal labels did not exist in those days.

Really then why did the conservative Republicans and conservative Democrats of the time, who were allied in Congress,

refer to themselves as the Conservative Coalition?

Conservative coalition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NYcarbineer]

Every number there shows the Democratic Party majority FOR The Civil Rights bill.

You said: But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it.

Jesus Christ.

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

You said most Democrats voted against it.

You either lied or you can't read. Which is it?

Let me correct the record. A larger % of republicans voted for it than democrats. Democrats fillibustered it. Happy now?

No. I want a real apology.

I'm sorry that I make a fool of you in every thread.

I hear that shit every day. That's what makes being here enjoyable.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[ conservative and liberal labels did not exist in those days.

lol, that's retarded.

Conservative Manifesto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Redfish]

[ conservative and liberal labels did not exist in those days.

lol, that's retarded.

Conservative Manifesto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the definitions in 1937 are no where close to what they are today. In the 1960s, when the civil rights act was passed, the terms liberal and conservative were rarely used and never attached to either party. I was alive then, I remember that time very well. It was the best of times and the worst of times.

 

[Redfish]

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

You said most Democrats voted against it.

You either lied or you can't read. Which is it?

Let me correct the record. A larger % of republicans voted for it than democrats. Democrats fillibustered it. Happy now?

No. I want a real apology.

I'm sorry that I make a fool of you in every thread.

I hear that shit every day. That's what makes being here enjoyable.

you enjoy being made a fool of? what kind of mental illness is that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

[ conservative and liberal labels did not exist in those days.

lol, that's retarded.

Conservative Manifesto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the definitions in 1937 are no where close to what they are today. In the 1960s, when the civil rights act was passed, the terms liberal and conservative were rarely used and never attached to either party. I was alive then, I remember that time very well. It was the best of times and the worst of times.

So Goldwater, the father of modern conservatism, wasn't a conservative???

lol, what was he?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You said most Democrats voted against it.

You either lied or you can't read. Which is it?

Let me correct the record. A larger % of republicans voted for it than democrats. Democrats fillibustered it. Happy now?

No. I want a real apology.

I'm sorry that I make a fool of you in every thread.

I hear that shit every day. That's what makes being here enjoyable.

you enjoy being made a fool of? what kind of mental illness is that?

You're delusional. Right after you make a fool of yourself claiming that most Democrats voted against the Civil Rights bill,

you say I'm the fool.

That is very enjoyable.

 

[rightwinger]

Many things wrong with your post. You guys get upset when poor people have kids, you guys get upset if they have access to family planning. Make up your minds.

And Margaret Sanger lived in a time that didn't have an entitled class? Or do you mean entitlement class? Does that mean you like old-timey poor people but not the poor people today?

Sanger was about as racist as everyone else of her time and by today's standards that would be considered very racist. However she wasn't attempting to wipe out entire races through birth control, it's a lie. Hell, have you morons think Sanger was an advocate for abortion.

As far as you rambling about poor people, how about if they get to choose when they want to have kids and you can stop pretend pandering for them.

Yeah, excuse the racism. FDR wasn't racist. Sanger spoke before the KKK, she was worse than the general population.

Wilson used the blacks to get elected and then dumped them when he got elected, just like Democrats do today. Not much different.


Sanger favored sterilization and eugenics. Much like Hitler did.

Sanger did not favor sterilizing based on race and in FDR and Wilson's day everyone was racist by today's standards. The founding fathers were racist, Lincoln was a racist, his views on blacks would be appalling today. But, I don't hold the views popular at their time against them for everything else they've done. That would be pointless, who does that?

Read up on Sanger not just anti and pro Sanger but middle of the road publications. She was for sterilizing the poor, the blacks, the retarded, the sick and on and on. She was all for shrinking the size of the black population. As far as racism, by today's standards, they were pretty racists the . However, Sanger and Wilson were worse than FDR, and most others. Sanger made speeches before the KKK which was not popular. Wilson had a private screening of Birth of a Nation at the White House. Even for their day they were over the top.

It was a popular theory of the time. You won't find many from the era who did not support it to some degree

 

[rightwinger]

Wow, you ran pretty fast from your previous lie.

Byrd was a Democrat and a racist until the day he died. The Democrats embraced him.

He was a conservative who became a moderate over time. His racist actions in Congress were during his conservative period.

A Democratic Party member and ran as a Democrat until he died.

Byrd was a racist when he began his political career. He filibustered the Civil Rights act

By the end of his long career, he disavowed his previous position. So much so, that his voting record on Civil Rights was approved by the NAACP

Funny, he was a member of the KKK. Your attempt to rewrite history is amusing at best.

He admitted it and apologized for it his whole life

More than that, he took a strong civil rights platform for the last 30 years of his life

That is his history

 

[rightwinger]

Most Democrats voted FOR The Civil Rights Act. It is unbelievable you are here arguing from such a point of ignorance. Go away.

the ignorance is yours:

From Wikipedia:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Every number there shows the Democratic Party majority FOR The Civil Rights bill.

You said: But at the time that the civil rights act was passed most of the dems were opposed to it.

Jesus Christ.

Do not call me the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. I am not worthy of that name.

The facts show that a larger % of republicans voted for it than dems. Dems filibustered it, republicans passed it. LBJ tried to use it for political gain by lying about it.

you cannot change history as much as you would like to.

You said most Democrats voted against it.

You either lied or you can't read. Which is it?

Let me correct the record. A larger % of republicans voted for it than democrats. Democrats fillibustered it. Happy now?

A Democrat pushed for the legislation and signed it into law

 

[Redfish]

Byrd was a Democrat and a racist until the day he died. The Democrats embraced him.

He was a conservative who became a moderate over time. His racist actions in Congress were during his conservative period.

A Democratic Party member and ran as a Democrat until he died.

Byrd was a racist when he began his political career. He filibustered the Civil Rights act

By the end of his long career, he disavowed his previous position. So much so, that his voting record on Civil Rights was approved by the NAACP

Funny, he was a member of the KKK. Your attempt to rewrite history is amusing at best.

He admitted it and apologized for it his whole life

More than that, he took a strong civil rights platform for the last 30 years of his life

That is his history

BS, he was a politician, he said what he thought would keep him in office. The zebra does not change his stripes.