Hillary and Margaret Sanger

[bodecea]

What was the merit to encouraging poor people to have huge families back in the early 20th century?

you don't know?

I'm asking you. You're condemning Sanger for working to make birth control more available.

geez man, pay attention. She made abortion of blacks more available because she considered them sub-human. She was a terrible person and Hillary adores her.

this is not about condoms and BC pills, its about aborting black babies.

She did no such thing.

Are you living under a rock? What do you think PP does today? It aborts babies (mostly black babies) and sells their body parts. You really need to do some research on this before you make a complete fool of yourself.

Again...another lie. If all you can do is lie, you don't have much of an argument.

 

[bodecea]

You said most Democrats voted against it.

You either lied or you can't read. Which is it?

Let me correct the record. A larger % of republicans voted for it than democrats. Democrats fillibustered it. Happy now?

No. I want a real apology.

I'm sorry that I make a fool of you in every thread.

I hear that shit every day. That's what makes being here enjoyable.

you enjoy being made a fool of? what kind of mental illness is that?

Says the poster who has tried to base his argument on at least three big lies so far in this thread.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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Who do you think "celebrates" Robert E Lee? He is a historical figure and was a great general and leader of men. But no one "celebrates" him.

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Robert E Lee's birthday is a state holiday in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia and Mississippi.

Robert E Lee's Birthday in the United States

You're on a retard roll today.

 

[HappyJoy]

Many things wrong with your post. You guys get upset when poor people have kids, you guys get upset if they have access to family planning. Make up your minds.

And Margaret Sanger lived in a time that didn't have an entitled class? Or do you mean entitlement class? Does that mean you like old-timey poor people but not the poor people today?

Sanger was about as racist as everyone else of her time and by today's standards that would be considered very racist. However she wasn't attempting to wipe out entire races through birth control, it's a lie. Hell, have you morons think Sanger was an advocate for abortion.

As far as you rambling about poor people, how about if they get to choose when they want to have kids and you can stop pretend pandering for them.

Yeah, excuse the racism. FDR wasn't racist. Sanger spoke before the KKK, she was worse than the general population.

Wilson used the blacks to get elected and then dumped them when he got elected, just like Democrats do today. Not much different.


Sanger favored sterilization and eugenics. Much like Hitler did.

Then why do we start off with craftily put together out of context quotes? Quote her for real using unbiased sources.

Secondly, nobody today is for sterilizing a race of people. Even if Sanger was, it doesn't matter, it's not a policy moving forward. Sanger was more than anything else an advocate for birth control, not abortion and you guys who many of you celebrate Robert E. Lee and the confederacy go hysterical over whether a woman in the early 20th century was a racist or not and to prove it you guys provide bullshit quotes.

Who do you think "celebrates" Robert E Lee? He is a historical figure and was a great general and leader of men. But no one "celebrates" him.

The point of the thread is that Sanger was an avowed racist and Hillary has praised her. That's all this is about.

What about Robert E Lee day?

Hillary praised her for being a pioneer of family planning and an advocate of birth control, not her racism. Maybe you can tell us what a racist Sanger was by providing some quotes or evidence. I'm sure she was, but all I get is mangled out of context quote from you people.

 

[mamooth]

Here is what she wrote: We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

She's saying to watch out for the race-baiting hucksters who will lie and pretend someone was trying to exterminate blacks.

That is, she said to watch out for your favorite sleaze tactics. Wise woman, that Sanger.

 

[mamooth]

are you claiming that LBJ did not say that? I think you need to look it up.

It's not my job to disprove your faked quote. It's your job to prove the quote is valid, with a primary source.

Now, I know exactly which huckster made up that quote. You should go look that up and educate yourself.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Here is what she wrote: We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

She's saying to watch out for the race-baiting hucksters who will lie and pretend someone was trying to exterminate blacks.

That is, she said to watch out for your favorite sleaze tactics. Wise woman, that Sanger.

Oh just stop, it's perfectly clear what she is saying and all the twisting, spinning, etc isn't going to change it. I suggest all of you that are trying to protect this witch read one of her books, start with The Birth Control Review, she was a monster and all the fluffing by you loons isn't going to change that.

 

[HappyJoy]

Here is what she wrote: We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

She's saying to watch out for the race-baiting hucksters who will lie and pretend someone was trying to exterminate blacks.

That is, she said to watch out for your favorite sleaze tactics. Wise woman, that Sanger.

Oh just stop, it's perfectly clear what she is saying and all the twisting, spinning, etc isn't going to change it. I suggest all of you that are trying to protect this witch read one of her books, start with The Birth Control Review, she was a monster and all the fluffing by you loons isn't going to change that.

That's where the made up quote is alleged to come from, it doesn't. it's likely she didn't write Birth Control Review in the first place.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Here is what she wrote: We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

She's saying to watch out for the race-baiting hucksters who will lie and pretend someone was trying to exterminate blacks.

That is, she said to watch out for your favorite sleaze tactics. Wise woman, that Sanger.

Oh just stop, it's perfectly clear what she is saying and all the twisting, spinning, etc isn't going to change it. I suggest all of you that are trying to protect this witch read one of her books, start with The Birth Control Review, she was a monster and all the fluffing by you loons isn't going to change that.

That's where the made up quote is alleged to come from, it doesn't. it's likely she didn't write Birth Control Review in the first place.

Stop the spinning, it'sold and tiresome...and all you idiots seem to have anymore.

 

[mamooth]

LMAO @ hero. You really need to learn what a hero is

Risking your life to help others qualifies someone as a hero. Sanger did that. Hence, she's a hero.

Full text of "Margaret Sanger; an autobiography."

---
All the world over, in Penang and Skagway, in El Paso and Hel-
singfors, I have found women's psychology in the matter of child-
bearing essentially the same, no matter what the class, religion, or
economic status. Always to me any aroused group was a good group,
and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch
of the Ku Klux Klan at Silver Lake, New Jersey, one of the weirdest
experiences I had in lecturing.

My letter of instruction told me what train to take, to walk from
the station two blocks straight ahead, then two to the left. I would see
a sedan parked in front of a restaurant. If I wished I could have ten
minutes for a cup of coffee or bite to eat, because no supper would be
served later.

I obeyed orders implicitly, walked the blocks, saw the car, found
the restaurant, went in and ordered some cocoa, stayed my allotted ten
minutes, then approached the car hesitatingly and spoke to the driver.
I received no reply. She might have been totally deaf as far as I was
concerned. Mustering up my courage, I climbed in and settled back.
Without a turn of the head, a smile, or a word to let me know I was
right, she stepped on the self-starter. For fifteen minutes we wound
around the streets. It must have been towards six in the afternoon.
We took this lonely lane and that through the woods, and an hour
later pulled up in a vacant space near a body of water beside a large,
unpainted, barnish building.

My driver got out, talked with several other women, then said to me
severely, "Wait here. We will come for you." She disappeared. More
cars buzzed up the dusty road into the parking place. Occasionally men
dropped wives who walked hurriedly and silently within. This went
on mystically until night closed down and I was alone in the dark. A
few gleams came through chinks in the window curtains. Even though
it was May, I grew chillier and chillier.

After three hours I was summoned at last and entered a bright
corridor filled with wraps. As someone came out of the hall I saw
through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated
crosses. I waited another twenty minutes. It was warmer and I did
not mind so much. Eventually the lights were switched on, the audi-
ence seated itself, and I was escorted to the platform, was introduced,
and began to speak.

Never before had I looked into a sea of faces like these. I was sure
that if I uttered one word, such as abortion, outside the usual vocabu-
lary of these women they would go off into hysteria. And so my ad-
dress that night had to be in the most elementary terms, as though
I were trying to make children understand.

In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accom-
plished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups
were proffered. The conversation went on and on, and when we were
finally through it was too late to return to New York. Under a curfew
law everything in Silver Lake shut at nine o'clock. I could not even
send a telegram to let my family know whether I had been thrown in
the river or was being held incommunicado. It was nearly one before I
reached Trenton, and I spent the night in a hotel.
---

 

[jon_berzerk]

Margaret Sanger "Negroes are human weeds that must be eliminated"

Hillary "I admire Margaret Sanger and the work she has done"

Do you get it, African americans? Do you understand?

nope not a chance of it

 

[SassyIrishLass]

LMAO @ hero. You really need to learn what a hero is

Risking your life to help others qualifies someone as a hero. Sanger did that. Hence, she's a hero.

Full text of "Margaret Sanger; an autobiography."

---
All the world over, in Penang and Skagway, in El Paso and Hel-
singfors, I have found women's psychology in the matter of child-
bearing essentially the same, no matter what the class, religion, or
economic status. Always to me any aroused group was a good group,
and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch
of the Ku Klux Klan at Silver Lake, New Jersey, one of the weirdest
experiences I had in lecturing.

My letter of instruction told me what train to take, to walk from
the station two blocks straight ahead, then two to the left. I would see
a sedan parked in front of a restaurant. If I wished I could have ten
minutes for a cup of coffee or bite to eat, because no supper would be
served later.

I obeyed orders implicitly, walked the blocks, saw the car, found
the restaurant, went in and ordered some cocoa, stayed my allotted ten
minutes, then approached the car hesitatingly and spoke to the driver.
I received no reply. She might have been totally deaf as far as I was
concerned. Mustering up my courage, I climbed in and settled back.
Without a turn of the head, a smile, or a word to let me know I was
right, she stepped on the self-starter. For fifteen minutes we wound
around the streets. It must have been towards six in the afternoon.
We took this lonely lane and that through the woods, and an hour
later pulled up in a vacant space near a body of water beside a large,
unpainted, barnish building.

My driver got out, talked with several other women, then said to me
severely, "Wait here. We will come for you." She disappeared. More
cars buzzed up the dusty road into the parking place. Occasionally men
dropped wives who walked hurriedly and silently within. This went
on mystically until night closed down and I was alone in the dark. A
few gleams came through chinks in the window curtains. Even though
it was May, I grew chillier and chillier.

After three hours I was summoned at last and entered a bright
corridor filled with wraps. As someone came out of the hall I saw
through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated
crosses. I waited another twenty minutes. It was warmer and I did
not mind so much. Eventually the lights were switched on, the audi-
ence seated itself, and I was escorted to the platform, was introduced,
and began to speak.

Never before had I looked into a sea of faces like these. I was sure
that if I uttered one word, such as abortion, outside the usual vocabu-
lary of these women they would go off into hysteria. And so my ad-
dress that night had to be in the most elementary terms, as though
I were trying to make children understand.

In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accom-
plished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups
were proffered. The conversation went on and on, and when we were
finally through it was too late to return to New York. Under a curfew
law everything in Silver Lake shut at nine o'clock. I could not even
send a telegram to let my family know whether I had been thrown in
the river or was being held incommunicado. It was nearly one before I
reached Trenton, and I spent the night in a hotel.
---

All well and good....now start copying and pasting all of her quotes, not just the ones that help your agenda. This is getting hilarious watching you loons trip all over yourselves trying to protect a monster...but carry on it's highly entertaining

 

[mamooth]

Oh just stop, it's perfectly clear what she is saying and all the twisting, spinning, etc isn't going to change it. I suggest all of you that are trying to protect this witch read one of her books, start with The Birth Control Review, she was a monster and all the fluffing by you loons isn't going to change that.

But we have read them. That's why we know with 100% certainty that you're flat-out lying about everything.

Obviously, you think God has granted you special dispensation to lie for TheCause, but you're being misled. God would never tell you to lie. That voice telling you to lie is Satan, and you're following his suggestions.

 

[HappyJoy]

Here is what she wrote: We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

She's saying to watch out for the race-baiting hucksters who will lie and pretend someone was trying to exterminate blacks.

That is, she said to watch out for your favorite sleaze tactics. Wise woman, that Sanger.

Oh just stop, it's perfectly clear what she is saying and all the twisting, spinning, etc isn't going to change it. I suggest all of you that are trying to protect this witch read one of her books, start with The Birth Control Review, she was a monster and all the fluffing by you loons isn't going to change that.

That's where the made up quote is alleged to come from, it doesn't. it's likely she didn't write Birth Control Review in the first place.

Stop the spinning, it'sold and tiresome...and all you idiots seem to have anymore.

I'm not spinning anything. You are claiming Sanger said something she didn't in a paper she most likely didn't write. It's your claim, prove it.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Oh just stop, it's perfectly clear what she is saying and all the twisting, spinning, etc isn't going to change it. I suggest all of you that are trying to protect this witch read one of her books, start with The Birth Control Review, she was a monster and all the fluffing by you loons isn't going to change that.

But we have read them. That's why we know with 100% certainty that you're flat-out lying about everything.

Obviously, you think God has granted you special dispensation to lie for TheCause, but you're being misled. God would never tell you to lie. That voice telling you to lie is Satan, and you're following his suggestions.

Because you say someone is "flat out lying" means nothing, you've been proven wrong far too many times to be able to sit and judge if someone is lying. Keep protecting the racist baby murdering witch..it makes little difference to me.....but don't dare sit and try to claim everyone is lying simply because you and your weak minded little loons claim so. Not a one of you are that smart....not a one

 

[paperview]

Makes you wonder why when Martin Luther King received his Margaret Sanger award -- he called it one of his most cherished possessions.

 

[HappyJoy]

Hey, Sassy, this is a quick and easy read, why don't you take the next two months to read it, don't forget your dictionary and drool rag.

Did Margaret Sanger believe African-Americans

Did Margaret Sanger believe African-Americans "should be eliminated"?

By Clay Wirestone on Monday, October 5th, 2015 at 5:32 p.m.

Despite being dead for 49 years, Margaret Sanger, founder of the organization that became Planned Parenthood, has a way of turning up in the news. Her latest appearance came during remarks by Republican presidential candidate Ben Carsonat a retirement center in Exeter, N.H.

Answering a question at RiverWoods Retirement Community, Carson said that "Planned Parenthood, as you know, was founded by Margaret Sanger. . . . Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist. She believed that people like me should be eliminated, or kept under control."

At a press conference later, he specified what he meant by "people like me." He said he was "talking about the black race."

Claims like this have been examined by PolitiFact before. Back in March, New Hampshire Rep. William O’Brien claimed Sanger was an "an active participant in the Ku Klux Klan." That claim was rated false.

And in 2011, businessman and GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain said Planned Parenthood’s early mission was to "help kill black babies before they came into the world." That statement was rated Pants on Fire.

Carson’s statement pulls on the same threads.

Sanger was indeed a believer in eugenics, but the basic concept that humanity could be improved by selective breeding was an article of faith for many in the years before World War II. Winston Churchill, Herbert Hoover, Theodore Roosevelt, George Bernard Shaw and H. G. Wells all supported the movement. African-American leader W. E. B. Du Bois backed many of its principles as well.

Although the eugenics movement included some who had racist ideas, wanting to create some sort of master race, "only a minority of eugenicists" ever believed this, according to Ruth Engs, professor emerita at the Indiana University School of Public Health and an expert in the movement.

At the time that Sanger was active, Engs wrote, "the purpose of eugenics was to improve the human race by having people be more healthy through exercise, recreation in parks, marriage to someone free from sexually transmitted diseases, well-baby clinics, immunizations, clean food and water, proper nutrition, non-smoking and drinking."

It’s a far cry to equate eugenics with advocating the elimination of black people.

For Sanger, her ideas were a matter a public health. As late as 1957, she put her views this way in an interview with Mike Wallace: "I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world -- that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically. Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin -- that people can -- can commit."

Sanger was indeed a birth control activist, which means that she wanted women to be able to avoid unwanted pregnancies. She worked for women of all classes and races to have that choice, which she believed to be a right.

Quoted in an article about the false accusation that Sanger supported the Ku Klux Klan (she merely addressed a women’s auxiliary and later compared them to children because of their mental simplicity), Jean H. Baker, author of Margaret Sanger: A Life of Passion, said Sanger actually opposed prejudice.

Sanger "was far ahead of her times in terms of opposing racial segregation," wrote Baker, a history professor at Goucher College,in an email. She worked closely with black leaders to open birth control clinics in Harlem and elsewhere."

Even authors who treat Sanger critically don’t believe she held negative views about African-Americans. Edwin Black wrote a comprehensive history of the eugenics movement, War Against the Weak, and is no fan of the activist’s beliefs. Ultimately, though, he writes, "Sanger was no racist. Nor was she anti-Semitic."

It’s also worth noting that Sanger died in 1966, six years before the Supreme Court established a nationwide right to abortion services in Roe v. Wade.

Those who point a finger at Sanger as a racist often cite a particular statement in claiming she harbored ill will toward black people. In a Dec. 10, 1939, letter, she wrote that "We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs."

But PolitFact Georgia debunked those who would read the statement as something sinister.

"Sanger’s correspondence shows this sentence advocates for black doctors and ministers to play leadership roles in the Negro Project to avoid misunderstandings. Lynchings and Jim Crow laws gave blacks good reason to be wary of attempts to limit the number of children they bore. In Harlem, she hired a black doctor and social worker to quell those fears," the article says.

She attracted an impressive roster of supporters, including DuBois; Mary McLeod Bethune, founder of National Council of Negro Women; and the pastor of the Abyssinian Baptist Church. Eleanor Roosevelt also backed the effort.

"For Sanger to launch a genocidal plot behind their backs and leave no true evidence in her numerous writings would require powers just shy of witchcraft," the PolitiFact piece notes.

Finally, in 1966 Planned Parenthood gave its Margaret Sanger award to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The civil rights leader accepted, and sent his wife, Coretta, to accept. The speech he wrote for the occasion stated that ""There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts."

Sanger was still alive at that point, and her history and statements were well known (she had published an autobiography in 1938 and was never shy about sharing her opinions). If she had, in fact, been a supporter of eliminating black people, it’s doubtful King would have accepted that award.

 

[HappyJoy]

Makes you wonder why when Martin Luther King received his Margaret Sanger award -- he called it one of his most cherished possessions.

Well, duh, obviously the non racists like Sassy don't believe blacks can think for themselves. She's lookin' out for them.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Makes you wonder why when Martin Luther King received his Margaret Sanger award -- he called it one of his most cherished possessions.

Well, duh, obviously the non racists like Sassy don't believe blacks can think for themselves. She's lookin' out for them.

That may the dumbest comment you have made....and that's saying something given your history.

You loons keep on squawking....I'll keep on laughing at your ignorance. There is nothing funnier than a left loon trying to defend someone as evil as Sanger. Carry on

 

[paperview]

Makes you wonder why when Martin Luther King received his Margaret Sanger award -- he called it one of his most cherished possessions.

Well, duh, obviously the non racists like Sassy don't believe blacks can think for themselves. She's lookin' out for them.

That may the dumbest comment you have made....and that's saying something given your history.

You loons keep on squawking....I'll keep on laughing at your ignorance. There is nothing funnier than a left loon trying to defend someone as evil as Sanger. Carry on

This is what anti-abortion people were doing to Sanger then and they are still doing it to her now.

They are painting her as a racist, because that's ALL they can do. They are against all she stands for and the ONLY way they can appeal to the people they need to is to paint her as what they are, or, in the worst possible light, because if Sanger wins, THEY lose.

They had nor have no choice but to attack the loudest, most profound historical voice in the reproductive rights movement. In context of the age, eugenics in plants, animals and people *was* a contemporary topic. Nearly all the states in the US had pro-eugenic laws. Think on that,

Read the actual articles of the day. Learn about the eugenics movement that swept across the country at the time.
Remember, you are looking at it through the spy-glass time perspective.
It seems appalling to us today, of course.

Peer through the lens of the early century - WWI, the pandemic of 1918, which killed over 20 million people (imagine that!) , the mind-bending poverty of the worldwide depression, etc...

... Sanger herself had a mother who had 18 pregnancies and 11 live births, she was a midwife in the poorest parts of NYC. Birth control was illegal. She also knew that as it was, as it shall always ever be: rich women could and DID seek easy, safe abortions. It was the poor who died from them. Even still, Sanger was against abortion.

Sanger saved many more lives than you care to even think about, but to you and your brethren before you, they were 'tainted' women, so they don't count. (Guess what, some of them are your grandmothers.)

Well, I'm here to say they do. Sanger is honored as one of this world's 100 Most Influential Women today and the anti-choice people are still trying to turn her into the devil. Guess what? She won. You lost.