Hillary and Margaret Sanger

[Moonglow]

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump started using this crazy argument against Hillary Clinton.

I'm surprised he hasn't tweeted it.

Yeah, I am sure that they would have been fine with her ties to the Klan. If I could have my way, I would make abortion a requirement if you are a leftard or a liberal if not sterilization all the way around. Your kind bring nothing but death to a nation.state.

So, to get your way you have to be a contradictory asshole. You would abort fetuses with no political ideologies (because they don't have them) and in your mind commit murder because abortion to you is murder? Clearly you've thought this out.

On a side note, what does Sanger have to do with abortion?

she founded that abortion mill known as Planned Parenthood. that's what she had to do with abortion

Abortion was illegal in Sanger's day. She saw birth control as a means of preventing illegal and dangerous abortion as it was in her day.

Come on, she wanted to limit the reproduction of people she considered inferior. She was an elitist and a racist, not much above a Nazi.

Q: Why were there pro-eugenic laws in every state in the nation at the time?

Where>

Sanger hated whites, she gave them birth control.

..One of the most prominent feminists to champion the eugenic agenda was Margaret Sanger, the leader of the American birth control movement. Margaret Sanger saw birth control as a means to prevent unwanted children from being born into a disadvantaged life, and incorporated the language of eugenics to advance the movement.[23][24] Sanger also sought to discourage the reproduction of persons who, it was believed, would pass on mental disease or serious physical defect. She advocated sterilization in cases where the subject was unable to use birth control.[23] Unlike other eugenicists, she rejected euthanasia.[25] For Sanger, it was individual women and not the state who should determine whether or not to have a child
Eugenics in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Michelle420]

Margaret Sanger "Negroes are human weeds that must be eliminated"

Hillary "I admire Margaret Sanger and the work she has done"

Do you get it, African americans? Do you understand?

Are they going to build a wall?

 

[bripat9643]

Many things wrong with your post. You guys get upset when poor people have kids, you guys get upset if they have access to family planning. Make up your minds.

And Margaret Sanger lived in a time that didn't have an entitled class? Or do you mean entitlement class? Does that mean you like old-timey poor people but not the poor people today?

Sanger was about as racist as everyone else of her time and by today's standards that would be considered very racist. However she wasn't attempting to wipe out entire races through birth control, it's a lie. Hell, have you morons think Sanger was an advocate for abortion.

As far as you rambling about poor people, how about if they get to choose when they want to have kids and you can stop pretend pandering for them.

Yeah, excuse the racism. FDR wasn't racist. Sanger spoke before the KKK, she was worse than the general population.

Wilson used the blacks to get elected and then dumped them when he got elected, just like Democrats do today. Not much different.


Sanger favored sterilization and eugenics. Much like Hitler did.

Wilson re-segregated the military.

 

[Syriusly]

So anyone who uses birth control or wants it to be legal and available is a racist?

Of course not, but anyone who declares that blacks are not fully human and should be eliminated is clearly a racist.

She never said that. How many times to you have to be told.

read it, dingleberry

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members"

Cain’s False Attack on Planned Parenthood

Sanger says that a minister could debunk the notion, if it arose, that the clinics aimed to “exterminate the Negro population.” She didn’t say that she wanted to “exterminate” the black population. The Margaret Sanger Papers Project at New York University says that this quote has “gone viral on the Internet,” normally out of context, and it “doesn’t reflect the fact that Sanger recognized elements within the black community might mistakenly associate the Negro Project with racist sterilization campaigns in the Jim Crow south, unless clergy and other community leaders spread the word that the Project had a humanitarian aim.”

It goes on to characterize beliefs such as Cain’s as “extremist.” The project says: “No serious scholar and none of the dozens of black leaders who supported Sanger’s work have ever suggested that she tried to reduce the black population or set up black abortion mills, the implication in much of the extremist anti-choice material.”

Everything is always "out of context" with you people when you are exposed. While she did not want to be associated with Jim Crow, what says you people that she still did not want the same outcome? Further, who put you people in charge of what constitutes "serious scholars"? Self-appointed black leaders who take their orders from party masters is not validation.

Who will African Americans listen to?

The Right Wing nut jobs who want to tell African Americans that they are stupid for supporting Hilary Clinton because she admired Margeret Sanger?

Or Martin Luther King Jr.- who also admired Margeret Sanger?

 

[Redfish]

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump started using this crazy argument against Hillary Clinton.

I'm surprised he hasn't tweeted it.

Yeah, I am sure that they would have been fine with her ties to the Klan. If I could have my way, I would make abortion a requirement if you are a leftard or a liberal if not sterilization all the way around. Your kind bring nothing but death to a nation.state.

So, to get your way you have to be a contradictory asshole. You would abort fetuses with no political ideologies (because they don't have them) and in your mind commit murder because abortion to you is murder? Clearly you've thought this out.

On a side note, what does Sanger have to do with abortion?

she founded that abortion mill known as Planned Parenthood. that's what she had to do with abortion

Abortion was illegal in Sanger's day. She saw birth control as a means of preventing illegal and dangerous abortion as it was in her day.

Come on, she wanted to limit the reproduction of people she considered inferior. She was an elitist and a racist, not much above a Nazi.

So you still insist that poor people having large families is a good thing?

never said that, your spin attempt fails.

 

[Redfish]

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump started using this crazy argument against Hillary Clinton.

I'm surprised he hasn't tweeted it.

Yeah, I am sure that they would have been fine with her ties to the Klan. If I could have my way, I would make abortion a requirement if you are a leftard or a liberal if not sterilization all the way around. Your kind bring nothing but death to a nation.state.

So, to get your way you have to be a contradictory asshole. You would abort fetuses with no political ideologies (because they don't have them) and in your mind commit murder because abortion to you is murder? Clearly you've thought this out.

On a side note, what does Sanger have to do with abortion?

she founded that abortion mill known as Planned Parenthood. that's what she had to do with abortion

Yes. Birth Control.

Sanger was anti-abortion.

You've been shown this repeatedly.

Show the readers in the thread you are capable of learning.

she was looking for ways to limit the reproduction of people she considered inferior. Blacks were among the people she considered inferior. Today's PP has taken her goals to new levels by aborting millions of black babies.

I am very sorry if you cannot grasp the connection.

Since when did PP restrict abortion services only to blacks?

That's the damnedest thing I've heard all year.

PP aborts more black and Hispanic babies than white babies. That is a simple fact. PP targets blacks and Hispanics and Hillary thinks they are doing wonderful work.

 

[Redfish]

Of course not, but anyone who declares that blacks are not fully human and should be eliminated is clearly a racist.

She never said that. How many times to you have to be told.

read it, dingleberry

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members"

Cain’s False Attack on Planned Parenthood

Sanger says that a minister could debunk the notion, if it arose, that the clinics aimed to “exterminate the Negro population.” She didn’t say that she wanted to “exterminate” the black population. The Margaret Sanger Papers Project at New York University says that this quote has “gone viral on the Internet,” normally out of context, and it “doesn’t reflect the fact that Sanger recognized elements within the black community might mistakenly associate the Negro Project with racist sterilization campaigns in the Jim Crow south, unless clergy and other community leaders spread the word that the Project had a humanitarian aim.”

It goes on to characterize beliefs such as Cain’s as “extremist.” The project says: “No serious scholar and none of the dozens of black leaders who supported Sanger’s work have ever suggested that she tried to reduce the black population or set up black abortion mills, the implication in much of the extremist anti-choice material.”

Everything is always "out of context" with you people when you are exposed. While she did not want to be associated with Jim Crow, what says you people that she still did not want the same outcome? Further, who put you people in charge of what constitutes "serious scholars"? Self-appointed black leaders who take their orders from party masters is not validation.

Who will African Americans listen to?

The Right Wing nut jobs who want to tell African Americans that they are stupid for supporting Hilary Clinton because she admired Margeret Sanger?

Or Martin Luther King Jr.- who also admired Margeret Sanger?

many of them will listen to Alan West, Herman Cain, Mia Love, Tim Scott, and Coretta King. Real black leaders who do not patronize blacks and want them to get off the welfare plantation.

 

[Redfish]

Sanger never said that.

wrong:

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Your quote isn't there.

I didn't get the wording exactly right, but her message is clear, Planned parenthood was designed to reduce the black birth rate by killing unborn black babies.

So you 'quote' isn't actually a quote- but your own words.

already explained

 

[Redfish]

Margaret Sanger "Negroes are human weeds that must be eliminated"

Hillary "I admire Margaret Sanger and the work she has done"

Do you get it, African americans? Do you understand?

Link please..

posted several of them, look back through the thread.

 

[Jack4jill]

Sanger got birth control to whites. She wanted to eliminate them!

 

[Syriusly]

She never said that. How many times to you have to be told.

read it, dingleberry

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members"

Cain’s False Attack on Planned Parenthood

Sanger says that a minister could debunk the notion, if it arose, that the clinics aimed to “exterminate the Negro population.” She didn’t say that she wanted to “exterminate” the black population. The Margaret Sanger Papers Project at New York University says that this quote has “gone viral on the Internet,” normally out of context, and it “doesn’t reflect the fact that Sanger recognized elements within the black community might mistakenly associate the Negro Project with racist sterilization campaigns in the Jim Crow south, unless clergy and other community leaders spread the word that the Project had a humanitarian aim.”

It goes on to characterize beliefs such as Cain’s as “extremist.” The project says: “No serious scholar and none of the dozens of black leaders who supported Sanger’s work have ever suggested that she tried to reduce the black population or set up black abortion mills, the implication in much of the extremist anti-choice material.”

Everything is always "out of context" with you people when you are exposed. While she did not want to be associated with Jim Crow, what says you people that she still did not want the same outcome? Further, who put you people in charge of what constitutes "serious scholars"? Self-appointed black leaders who take their orders from party masters is not validation.

Who will African Americans listen to?

The Right Wing nut jobs who want to tell African Americans that they are stupid for supporting Hilary Clinton because she admired Margeret Sanger?

Or Martin Luther King Jr.- who also admired Margeret Sanger?

many of them will listen to Alan West, Herman Cain, Mia Love, Tim Scott, and Coretta King. Real black leaders who do not patronize blacks and want them to get off the welfare plantation.

Yeah- every time a Conservative says that, you are just telling blacks that they are so stupid that you know better than they do.

Martin Luther King Jr. and Corretta Scott King praised both Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood

Before reading Dr. King's speech, Mrs. King declared, "I am proud tonight to say a word in behalf of your mentor, and the person who symbolizes the ideas of this organization, Margaret Sanger. Because of her dedication, her deep convictions, and for her suffering for what she believed in, I would like to say that I am proud to be a woman tonight."

Quote of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts. She, like we, saw the horrifying conditions of ghetto life. Like we, she knew that all of society is poisoned by cancerous slums. Like we, she was a direct actionist - a nonviolent resister. She was willing to accept scorn and abuse until the truth she saw was revealed to the millions. At the turn of the century she went into the slums and set up a birth control clinic, and for this deed she went to jail because she was violating an unjust law. Yet the years have justified her actions. She launched a movement which is obeying a higher law to preserve human life under humane conditions. Margaret Sanger had to commit what was then called a crime in order to enrich humanity, and today we honor her courage and vision; for without them there would have been no beginning. Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her. Negroes have no mere academic nor ordinary interest in family planning. They have a special and urgent concern

 

[Syriusly]

Sanger never said that.

wrong:

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Your quote isn't there.

I didn't get the wording exactly right, but her message is clear, Planned parenthood was designed to reduce the black birth rate by killing unborn black babies.

So you 'quote' isn't actually a quote- but your own words.

already explained

Exactly- you were caught in another lie when you claimed:

Margaret Sanger "Negroes are human weeds that must be eliminated"

 

[Jack4jill]

Sanger said all white people are scum and should be eliminated so let's give them birth control.

The above is as valid as the OP.

 

[bodecea]

I'm surprised he hasn't tweeted it.

So, to get your way you have to be a contradictory asshole. You would abort fetuses with no political ideologies (because they don't have them) and in your mind commit murder because abortion to you is murder? Clearly you've thought this out.

On a side note, what does Sanger have to do with abortion?

she founded that abortion mill known as Planned Parenthood. that's what she had to do with abortion

Yes. Birth Control.

Sanger was anti-abortion.

You've been shown this repeatedly.

Show the readers in the thread you are capable of learning.

she was looking for ways to limit the reproduction of people she considered inferior. Blacks were among the people she considered inferior. Today's PP has taken her goals to new levels by aborting millions of black babies.

I am very sorry if you cannot grasp the connection.

Since when did PP restrict abortion services only to blacks?

That's the damnedest thing I've heard all year.

PP aborts more black and Hispanic babies than white babies. That is a simple fact. PP targets blacks and Hispanics and Hillary thinks they are doing wonderful work.

Wow....how horrible that PP goes after black and hispanic women and FORCE them to have abortions. How horrible that they do that.

 

[Syriusly]

Here is how much Ronald Reagan despised the organization Sanger started....

Let me state the case as briefly and simply as I can. An organization of citizens, sincerely motivated and deeply concerned about the increase in illegitimate births and abortions involving girls well below the age of consent, sometime ago established a nationwide network of clinics to offer help to these girls and, hopefully, alleviate this situation. Now, again, let me say, I do not fault their intent. However, in their well-intentioned effort, these clinics have decided to provide advice and birth control drugs and devices to underage girls without the knowledge of their parents.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here is how much Ronald Reagan despised the organization Sanger started....

Let me state the case as briefly and simply as I can. An organization of citizens, sincerely motivated and deeply concerned about the increase in illegitimate births and abortions involving girls well below the age of consent, sometime ago established a nationwide network of clinics to offer help to these girls and, hopefully, alleviate this situation. Now, again, let me say, I do not fault their intent. However, in their well-intentioned effort, these clinics have decided to provide advice and birth control drugs and devices to underage girls without the knowledge of their parents.

So Reagan supported preventing unwanted pregnancies?

Goddam! See? He was a RINO!

 

[Syriusly]

And then there was the time that George Bush Sr. congratulated Planned Parenthood for the Margaret Sanger stamp

As United States Ambassador to the United Nations under the Nixon Administration, President George H.W. Bush (the first President Bush) wrote a letter to Alan Guttmacher (founder of the Guttmacher Institute) congratulating him on creation of a "family planning" stamp commemorating (gasp!!) Margaret Sanger.

When the Bush family loved Margaret Sanger

 

[bendog]

Sanger never said that.

wrong:

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Twisted words are another way to lie.

 

[Jack4jill]

she founded that abortion mill known as Planned Parenthood. that's what she had to do with abortion

Yes. Birth Control.

Sanger was anti-abortion.

You've been shown this repeatedly.

Show the readers in the thread you are capable of learning.

she was looking for ways to limit the reproduction of people she considered inferior. Blacks were among the people she considered inferior. Today's PP has taken her goals to new levels by aborting millions of black babies.

I am very sorry if you cannot grasp the connection.

Since when did PP restrict abortion services only to blacks?

That's the damnedest thing I've heard all year.

PP aborts more black and Hispanic babies than white babies. That is a simple fact. PP targets blacks and Hispanics and Hillary thinks they are doing wonderful work.

Wow....how horrible that PP goes after black and hispanic women and FORCE them to have abortions. How horrible that they do that.

That, and they have to force them to have sex and get pregnant first! These people are tricky to the max.

 

[Syriusly]

Margaret Sanger and the African American Community

Opponents of abortion promote myths and half-truths about Margaret Sanger in the African American community and elsewhere. This brief research summation is meant to dispel such falsified information distributed by those opposed to abortion and who are determined to distort her impressive historical legacy of enabling reproductive freedom for all women as a pioneering advocate for birth control.


Margaret Sanger’s Core Principles

• A woman’s right to control her body is the foundation of her human rights
• Every person should decide when to have a child
• Every child should be wanted and loved
• Women deserve sexual pleasure and fulfillment

No wonder Redfish is so anti-Sanger.....her core principles are the anti-thesis of Redfish's....

In 1942, she wrote again to Lasker, saying:

I think it is magnificent that we are in on the ground floor, helping Negroes to control their birth rate, to reduce their high infant and maternal death rate, to maintain better standards of health and living for those already born, and to create better opportunities for those who will be born (Sanger, 1942).