Hillary says NRA needs a "rival" organization of responsible gun owners

[Geaux4it]

NYcarbineer Nine states (California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington) and DC require universal background checks at the point of sale for all transfers of all classes of firearms, including purchases from unlicensed sellers; Maryland andPennsylvania do the same for handgun ...

That is evidence that the background check loophole still exists in many other states. Hence the need for the federal law.

Loophole?

-Geaux

 

[easyt65]

"Hillary says...."

 

[easyt65]

If the seller sold a firearm to a felon...

The Party that wants to push stricter gun laws are the ones who do not enforce the laws that exist now, are the ones illegally protecting violent illegals and the criminal Sanctuary Cities that protect them...

The Party that wants to 'close loopholes' and keep guns out of the hands of criminals, simultaneously demanding 'more responsible people' be in charge, are the ones who illegally handed over thousands of automatic weapons and grenades to Mexican Drug Cartels - resulting in the deaths of nearly 100 people, to include 4 Americans - and armed the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, and ISIS,

To the snowflakes, let that sink in a moment ... before your knee-jerk, auto-denial defense mechanism kicks in and you say something stupid in an attempt to lie / deny / justify.

 

[BULLDOG]

Add you to the list of people who believe that special interest lobbyists should run America.

Since when is defending a guaranteed right a special interest?

Felons don't have the right to buy guns.

No, not legally anyway. BUT they can certainly find some illegal guns faster than the average citizen.

I can legally sell a gun to a felon.

If that gun that you sold was involved in a violent crime the sale would not be legal.
And why do you support arming Felons?

I don't support arming felons. Without universal background checks, I have no obligation to know who I am selling a gun to. I don't even have to ask their name.

 

[dturner1157]

The Left has actually tried this numerous times. It always fails. Because the NRA represents responsible gun owners.
The Left is terrified of them because they are the most effective lobby in Washington.

Add you to the list of people who believe that special interest lobbyists should run America.

Since when is defending a guaranteed right a special interest?

Felons don't have the right to buy guns.

No, not legally anyway. BUT they can certainly find some illegal guns faster than the average citizen.

I can legally sell a gun to a felon.

Why do you support the arming of felons? You seem to.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nope.There are lots of us ex-NRA members who want nothing more than reasonable controls on who gets guns. Gun owners are not the problem. Gun nuts are.

We already have reasonable restrictions.

Felons can't buy guns
The adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns
Automatic weapons are highly restricted

What we need is enforcement of these restrictions and stiff mandatory sentences for any crime involving firearms

What we need is universal background checks so individuals will know if they are selling a gun to a felon, or mentally ill person.

Each state already has background checks.

Only for sales from licensed dealers. Individual sellers have no such obligation.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Since when is defending a guaranteed right a special interest?

Felons don't have the right to buy guns.

No, not legally anyway. BUT they can certainly find some illegal guns faster than the average citizen.

I can legally sell a gun to a felon.

If that gun that you sold was involved in a violent crime the sale would not be legal.
And why do you support arming Felons?

I don't support arming felons. Without universal background checks, I have no obligation to know who I am selling a gun to. I don't even have to ask their name.

Private Gun Sale Laws by State - FindLaw

 

[BULLDOG]

Nope.There are lots of us ex-NRA members who want nothing more than reasonable controls on who gets guns. Gun owners are not the problem. Gun nuts are.

We already have reasonable restrictions.

Felons can't buy guns
The adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns
Automatic weapons are highly restricted

What we need is enforcement of these restrictions and stiff mandatory sentences for any crime involving firearms

What we need is universal background checks so individuals will know if they are selling a gun to a felon, or mentally ill person.

Universal background checks, universal training and licensing of owners-users, universal registration of firearms, and regulation of peripherals and ammunition.

I don't see a problem with those things in some form perhaps in the future, but Universal Background checks for now would be great.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nope.There are lots of us ex-NRA members who want nothing more than reasonable controls on who gets guns. Gun owners are not the problem. Gun nuts are.

We already have reasonable restrictions.

Felons can't buy guns
The adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns
Automatic weapons are highly restricted

What we need is enforcement of these restrictions and stiff mandatory sentences for any crime involving firearms

What we need is universal background checks so individuals will know if they are selling a gun to a felon, or mentally ill person.

Each state already has background checks.

Only for sales from licensed dealers. Individual sellers have no such obligation.

In many states it is illegal to sell to anyone ineligible to own a weapon.

 

[Crixus]

I agree! She said this in an interview with Chris Matthews on MSNBC earlier this evening. I was an NRA member and strong supporter for several years - until it was hijacked by radicals in 1977. I would like to see a "rival" organization like the NRA was before it was hijacked by radicals.

How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby

In gun lore it’s known as the Revolt at Cincinnati. On May 21, 1977, and into the morning of May 22, a rump caucus of gun rights radicals took over the annual meeting of the National Rifle Association.

The rebels wore orange-blaze hunting caps. They spoke on walkie-talkies as they worked the floor of the sweltering convention hall. They suspected that the NRA leaders had turned off the air-conditioning in hopes that the rabble-rousers would lose enthusiasm.

The Old Guard was caught by surprise. The NRA officers sat up front, on a dais, observing their demise. The organization, about a century old already, was thoroughly mainstream and bipartisan, focusing on hunting, conservation and marksmanship. It taught Boy Scouts how to shoot safely. But the world had changed, and everything was more political now. The rebels saw the NRA leaders as elites who lacked the heart and conviction to fight against gun-control legislation.

Much More: How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby

And Hillary said it so you know that it will happen. Yeah. Everyone really listens to Hillary.

 

[BULLDOG]

Add you to the list of people who believe that special interest lobbyists should run America.

Since when is defending a guaranteed right a special interest?

Felons don't have the right to buy guns.

No, not legally anyway. BUT they can certainly find some illegal guns faster than the average citizen.

I can legally sell a gun to a felon.

No you can't. If you do, you've just committed a felony.

Restrictions on private sales in Texas are all based on prior knowledge of the buyer being disallowed to buy the gun. However,there is no requirement for any prior knowledge by the seller of the buyer, and without a background check, there is no way to gain that knowledge.

Private Sales in Texas | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
Private Sales in Texas
Last updated November 15, 2016.


See our Private Sales policy summary for a comprehensive discussion of this issue.

Texas has no law requiring a background check on the purchaser of a firearm when the seller is not a licensed dealer. Texas law does, however, state that a person commits a Class A misdemeanor if he or she:

• Sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun to any person knowing that the person to whom the handgun is to be delivered intends to use it unlawfully or in the commission of an unlawful act;

• Intentionally or knowingly sells, rents, leases, or gives or offers to sell, rent, lease, or give a firearm to any child younger than age 18. It is an affirmative defense to this charge that the transfer was to a minor whose parent or legal custodian had given written permission for the sale or, if the transfer was other than a sale, the parent or legal custodian had given effective consent. This offense rises to the level of a “state jail felony” (the lowest class of felony under state law) if the firearm involved is a handgun;

• Intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly sells a firearm or ammunition to any person who is intoxicated;

• Knowingly sells a firearm or ammunition to any person who has been convicted of a felony before the fifth anniversary of the later of: 1) the person’s release from confinement following conviction of the felony; or 2) the person’s release from supervision under community supervision, parole, or mandatory supervision following conviction of the felony;

• Sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun to any person knowing that an active protective order is directed to the person to whom the handgun is to be delivered; or

• Knowingly purchases, rents, leases, or receives as a loan or gift a handgun while an active protective order is directed to the person.1

 

[BULLDOG]

Felons don't have the right to buy guns.

No, not legally anyway. BUT they can certainly find some illegal guns faster than the average citizen.

I can legally sell a gun to a felon.

No you can't. If you do, you've just committed a felony.

What we need is universal background checks so individuals will know if they are selling a gun to a felon, or mentally ill person.

Each state already has background checks.

Force a Federal standard and feed it to a Federal database for compliance auditing.

we do have a federal background check

That doesn't apply to private sales.

it is still against the law for a felon to buy a firearm

from either a dealer or a private sale

And?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Since when is defending a guaranteed right a special interest?

Felons don't have the right to buy guns.

No, not legally anyway. BUT they can certainly find some illegal guns faster than the average citizen.

I can legally sell a gun to a felon.

No you can't. If you do, you've just committed a felony.

Restrictions on private sales in Texas are all based on prior knowledge of the buyer being disallowed to buy the gun. However,there is no requirement for any prior knowledge by the seller of the buyer, and without a background check, there is no way to gain that knowledge.

Private Sales in Texas | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
Private Sales in Texas
Last updated November 15, 2016.


See our Private Sales policy summary for a comprehensive discussion of this issue.

Texas has no law requiring a background check on the purchaser of a firearm when the seller is not a licensed dealer. Texas law does, however, state that a person commits a Class A misdemeanor if he or she:

• Sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun to any person knowing that the person to whom the handgun is to be delivered intends to use it unlawfully or in the commission of an unlawful act;

• Intentionally or knowingly sells, rents, leases, or gives or offers to sell, rent, lease, or give a firearm to any child younger than age 18. It is an affirmative defense to this charge that the transfer was to a minor whose parent or legal custodian had given written permission for the sale or, if the transfer was other than a sale, the parent or legal custodian had given effective consent. This offense rises to the level of a “state jail felony” (the lowest class of felony under state law) if the firearm involved is a handgun;

• Intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly sells a firearm or ammunition to any person who is intoxicated;

• Knowingly sells a firearm or ammunition to any person who has been convicted of a felony before the fifth anniversary of the later of: 1) the person’s release from confinement following conviction of the felony; or 2) the person’s release from supervision under community supervision, parole, or mandatory supervision following conviction of the felony;

• Sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun to any person knowing that an active protective order is directed to the person to whom the handgun is to be delivered; or

• Knowingly purchases, rents, leases, or receives as a loan or gift a handgun while an active protective order is directed to the person.1

One state.

Look at all the states and you'll see that many if not most state that it is illegal to sell any firearm to anyone legally prohibited to buy a firearm.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nope.There are lots of us ex-NRA members who want nothing more than reasonable controls on who gets guns. Gun owners are not the problem. Gun nuts are.

We already have reasonable restrictions.

Felons can't buy guns
The adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns
Automatic weapons are highly restricted

What we need is enforcement of these restrictions and stiff mandatory sentences for any crime involving firearms

What we need is universal background checks so individuals will know if they are selling a gun to a felon, or mentally ill person.

You do know that it is illegal in most if not all states to sell a gun to anyone legally ineligible don't you?

And in all honesty private sales and transfers are not where most illegally obtained guns come from

Only if you know they are ineligible. How you gonna know that without a background check?

 

[nat4900]

The Left is terrified of them because they are the most effective lobby in Washington.

When you have lots of bribing money coming from the gun MANUFACTURERS, then YES........you can become one of the most "effective" lobby in DC.....

Money easily bribes the corrupted congress.

 

[BULLDOG]

Felons don't have the right to buy guns.

No, not legally anyway. BUT they can certainly find some illegal guns faster than the average citizen.

I can legally sell a gun to a felon.

No you can't. If you do, you've just committed a felony.

What we need is universal background checks so individuals will know if they are selling a gun to a felon, or mentally ill person.

Each state already has background checks.

Force a Federal standard and feed it to a Federal database for compliance auditing.

we do have a federal background check

That doesn't apply to private sales.

Yes it does. States like California, and there are likely others, prohibit private gun sales without a BG check. Quit spreading false information

-Geaux

Perhaps some states. Not all.

 

[Crixus]

Felons don't have the right to buy guns.

No, not legally anyway. BUT they can certainly find some illegal guns faster than the average citizen.

I can legally sell a gun to a felon.

No you can't. If you do, you've just committed a felony.

Restrictions on private sales in Texas are all based on prior knowledge of the buyer being disallowed to buy the gun. However,there is no requirement for any prior knowledge by the seller of the buyer, and without a background check, there is no way to gain that knowledge.

Private Sales in Texas | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
Private Sales in Texas
Last updated November 15, 2016.


See our Private Sales policy summary for a comprehensive discussion of this issue.

Texas has no law requiring a background check on the purchaser of a firearm when the seller is not a licensed dealer. Texas law does, however, state that a person commits a Class A misdemeanor if he or she:

• Sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun to any person knowing that the person to whom the handgun is to be delivered intends to use it unlawfully or in the commission of an unlawful act;

• Intentionally or knowingly sells, rents, leases, or gives or offers to sell, rent, lease, or give a firearm to any child younger than age 18. It is an affirmative defense to this charge that the transfer was to a minor whose parent or legal custodian had given written permission for the sale or, if the transfer was other than a sale, the parent or legal custodian had given effective consent. This offense rises to the level of a “state jail felony” (the lowest class of felony under state law) if the firearm involved is a handgun;

• Intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly sells a firearm or ammunition to any person who is intoxicated;

• Knowingly sells a firearm or ammunition to any person who has been convicted of a felony before the fifth anniversary of the later of: 1) the person’s release from confinement following conviction of the felony; or 2) the person’s release from supervision under community supervision, parole, or mandatory supervision following conviction of the felony;

• Sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun to any person knowing that an active protective order is directed to the person to whom the handgun is to be delivered; or

• Knowingly purchases, rents, leases, or receives as a loan or gift a handgun while an active protective order is directed to the person.1

One state.

Look at all the states and you'll see that many if not most state that it is illegal to sell any firearm to anyone legally prohibited to buy a firearm.

Could be wrong, but I believe in Vermont that excons can own firearms according to state law.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nope.There are lots of us ex-NRA members who want nothing more than reasonable controls on who gets guns. Gun owners are not the problem. Gun nuts are.

We already have reasonable restrictions.

Felons can't buy guns
The adjudicated mentally ill can't buy guns
Automatic weapons are highly restricted

What we need is enforcement of these restrictions and stiff mandatory sentences for any crime involving firearms

What we need is universal background checks so individuals will know if they are selling a gun to a felon, or mentally ill person.

You do know that it is illegal in most if not all states to sell a gun to anyone legally ineligible don't you?

And in all honesty private sales and transfers are not where most illegally obtained guns come from

Only if you know they are ineligible. How you gonna know that without a background check?

It is up to the seller to find out in many if not most states as the laws state that it is illegal to sell to anyone to anyone not allowed to own a firearm.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No, not legally anyway. BUT they can certainly find some illegal guns faster than the average citizen.

I can legally sell a gun to a felon.

No you can't. If you do, you've just committed a felony.

Restrictions on private sales in Texas are all based on prior knowledge of the buyer being disallowed to buy the gun. However,there is no requirement for any prior knowledge by the seller of the buyer, and without a background check, there is no way to gain that knowledge.

Private Sales in Texas | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
Private Sales in Texas
Last updated November 15, 2016.


See our Private Sales policy summary for a comprehensive discussion of this issue.

Texas has no law requiring a background check on the purchaser of a firearm when the seller is not a licensed dealer. Texas law does, however, state that a person commits a Class A misdemeanor if he or she:

• Sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun to any person knowing that the person to whom the handgun is to be delivered intends to use it unlawfully or in the commission of an unlawful act;

• Intentionally or knowingly sells, rents, leases, or gives or offers to sell, rent, lease, or give a firearm to any child younger than age 18. It is an affirmative defense to this charge that the transfer was to a minor whose parent or legal custodian had given written permission for the sale or, if the transfer was other than a sale, the parent or legal custodian had given effective consent. This offense rises to the level of a “state jail felony” (the lowest class of felony under state law) if the firearm involved is a handgun;

• Intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly sells a firearm or ammunition to any person who is intoxicated;

• Knowingly sells a firearm or ammunition to any person who has been convicted of a felony before the fifth anniversary of the later of: 1) the person’s release from confinement following conviction of the felony; or 2) the person’s release from supervision under community supervision, parole, or mandatory supervision following conviction of the felony;

• Sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun to any person knowing that an active protective order is directed to the person to whom the handgun is to be delivered; or

• Knowingly purchases, rents, leases, or receives as a loan or gift a handgun while an active protective order is directed to the person.1

One state.

Look at all the states and you'll see that many if not most state that it is illegal to sell any firearm to anyone legally prohibited to buy a firearm.

Could be wrong, but I believe in Vermont that excons can own firearms according to state law.

Not all ex cons are felons

 

[BULLDOG]

Add you to the list of people who believe that special interest lobbyists should run America.

Since when is defending a guaranteed right a special interest?

Felons don't have the right to buy guns.

No, not legally anyway. BUT they can certainly find some illegal guns faster than the average citizen.

I can legally sell a gun to a felon.

No you can't.

if you do you have broken the law

Only if I know they are a felon. How am I supposed to know that?