History Beckons...

[P F Tinmore]

"Surely you must see that supporting Democracies by a Democratic State is in each others interests. Democratic Republics are less likely to start a war and are more stable... "

That's true - but where in the Arab world is such a thing as a 'Democratic Republic' - or at least a State which guarantees and protects the civil rights of its citizens on a level similar to, say, the US?

Palestine had an elected government and a constitution with a bill of rights.

The US/Israel destroyed it.

Fake advocates of democracy.

 

[sealadaigh]

Phil, now you KNOW that's inaccurate.

And while you're presuming to judge Israel for ALLEGEDLY defining itself to not include any Muslims or Christians (which of course is a huge LIE!) - where is your condemnation for the actions of so many Arab League nations in overnight defiing themselves as not including any Jews? NO, not the Iraqi Jews - who'd been there for 2600 years! Nor the Egyptian, nor the Syrian.....

While you decline to acknowledge the fact of the international Arab League conspiracy to rob their Jewish citizenry of everything and kick them out, why should any Jew regard your every word on the topic as anything but biased?

And while the AL states themselves refuse to acknowledge their own crimes against humanity - why would any Jew ever trust their 'offers'?

Speaking of those who wish for others 'the peace of the grave'.......the AL members conspired time and again to give Jews exactly such 'peace'.

Go ahead and whine that 'this has nothing to do with the Palestinians' - but that's BS. Because the same kind and compassionate AL conspirators who beggared and ejected over 950,000 of their citizens for being Jewish are the ones whose 'plan' you imagine those same Jews should now *trust* ........

why were most of the jewish communities in these arab states described...self described...as thriving, flourishing, and very well accepted before the creation of the state of israel?

why did ariel sharon, when he was prime minister, travel to france and tell french jews how much anti-semitism there was in france and encourage them all to move to israel?

why are similar actions such as sharon's, by israel, not brought up when discussing the "expulsion" of the jews from the various arab states?

didn't some of the states you are actually accusing of "eject"ing it's jewish citisens actually have laws restricting or outlawing such emmigration?

it seems like the creation of israel was bad for the indigenous jews of the region as well as the native palestinians.

 

[Roudy]

Phil, now you KNOW that's inaccurate.

And while you're presuming to judge Israel for ALLEGEDLY defining itself to not include any Muslims or Christians (which of course is a huge LIE!) - where is your condemnation for the actions of so many Arab League nations in overnight defiing themselves as not including any Jews? NO, not the Iraqi Jews - who'd been there for 2600 years! Nor the Egyptian, nor the Syrian.....

While you decline to acknowledge the fact of the international Arab League conspiracy to rob their Jewish citizenry of everything and kick them out, why should any Jew regard your every word on the topic as anything but biased?

And while the AL states themselves refuse to acknowledge their own crimes against humanity - why would any Jew ever trust their 'offers'?

Speaking of those who wish for others 'the peace of the grave'.......the AL members conspired time and again to give Jews exactly such 'peace'.

Go ahead and whine that 'this has nothing to do with the Palestinians' - but that's BS. Because the same kind and compassionate AL conspirators who beggared and ejected over 950,000 of their citizens for being Jewish are the ones whose 'plan' you imagine those same Jews should now *trust* ........

why were most of the jewish communities in these arab states described...self described...as thriving, flourishing, and very well accepted before the creation of the state of israel?

why did ariel sharon, when he was prime minister, travel to france and tell french jews how much anti-semitism there was in france and encourage them all to move to israel?

why are similar actions such as sharon's, by israel, not brought up when discussing the "expulsion" of the jews from the various arab states?

didn't some of the states you are actually accusing of "eject"ing it's jewish citisens actually have laws restricting or outlawing such emmigration?

it seems like the creation of israel was bad for the indigenous jews of the region as well as the native palestinians.

You call living as second class citizens in apartheid states thriving, well accepted?

Dhimmis and Dhimmitude: History: Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude in History

Dhimmitude can only be understood in the context of jihad, because it originates from this ideology. Infidels who submit without fighting to the Islamic armies, are granted a pledge of security. They are protected from the jihad laws against infidels which command killing, slavery, ransom or deportation for the enemies. Peace and security for non-Muslims are recognised only after their submission. Protection status is provided through the Islamization of conquered lands.

Rules of dhimmitude

The vanquished non-Muslims peoples are granted security for their life and possessions, as well as a relative self-autonomous administration and limited religious rights according to the modalities of the conquest. These rights are subject to two conditions: the payment of a poll tax (the jizya) and submission to the provisions of Islamic law.

The concept of toleration is linked to a number of discriminatory obligations in the economic, religious and social fields, imposed by the shari'a on the dhimmis. The transgression by the dhimmis of some of these obligations, abolished their protection, and threaten them with death or slavery. Dhimmis suffered many legal disabilities intended to reduce them to a condition of humiliation, segregation and discrimination. These rules, established from the eight to nine centuries by the founders of the four schools of Islamic law, set the pattern of the Muslim's community's social behavior toward dhimmis.

Dhimmitude covers more than a millennium of Christian and Jewish history, as well as of other groups. It is a comprehensive civilization encompassing customs, legislation, social behavior. Numerous laws were enacted over the centuries by the Muslim authorities, to implement its principles. It was abolished during the 19th -20th centuries under European pressure and colonization of Arab countries.

 

[toastman]

Phil, now you KNOW that's inaccurate.

And while you're presuming to judge Israel for ALLEGEDLY defining itself to not include any Muslims or Christians (which of course is a huge LIE!) - where is your condemnation for the actions of so many Arab League nations in overnight defiing themselves as not including any Jews? NO, not the Iraqi Jews - who'd been there for 2600 years! Nor the Egyptian, nor the Syrian.....

While you decline to acknowledge the fact of the international Arab League conspiracy to rob their Jewish citizenry of everything and kick them out, why should any Jew regard your every word on the topic as anything but biased?

And while the AL states themselves refuse to acknowledge their own crimes against humanity - why would any Jew ever trust their 'offers'?

Speaking of those who wish for others 'the peace of the grave'.......the AL members conspired time and again to give Jews exactly such 'peace'.

Go ahead and whine that 'this has nothing to do with the Palestinians' - but that's BS. Because the same kind and compassionate AL conspirators who beggared and ejected over 950,000 of their citizens for being Jewish are the ones whose 'plan' you imagine those same Jews should now *trust* ........

why were most of the jewish communities in these arab states described...self described...as thriving, flourishing, and very well accepted before the creation of the state of israel?

why did ariel sharon, when he was prime minister, travel to france and tell french jews how much anti-semitism there was in france and encourage them all to move to israel?

why are similar actions such as sharon's, by israel, not brought up when discussing the "expulsion" of the jews from the various arab states?

didn't some of the states you are actually accusing of "eject"ing it's jewish citisens actually have laws restricting or outlawing such emmigration?

it seems like the creation of israel was bad for the indigenous jews of the region as well as the native palestinians.

Only an anti - Semitic, Arab propaganda spewing retard would say something like 'Israel was bad for the indigenous Jews'.

What's the matter with you ????

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Phil, now you KNOW that's inaccurate.

And while you're presuming to judge Israel for ALLEGEDLY defining itself to not include any Muslims or Christians (which of course is a huge LIE!) - where is your condemnation for the actions of so many Arab League nations in overnight defiing themselves as not including any Jews? NO, not the Iraqi Jews - who'd been there for 2600 years! Nor the Egyptian, nor the Syrian.....

While you decline to acknowledge the fact of the international Arab League conspiracy to rob their Jewish citizenry of everything and kick them out, why should any Jew regard your every word on the topic as anything but biased?

And while the AL states themselves refuse to acknowledge their own crimes against humanity - why would any Jew ever trust their 'offers'?

Speaking of those who wish for others 'the peace of the grave'.......the AL members conspired time and again to give Jews exactly such 'peace'.

Go ahead and whine that 'this has nothing to do with the Palestinians' - but that's BS. Because the same kind and compassionate AL conspirators who beggared and ejected over 950,000 of their citizens for being Jewish are the ones whose 'plan' you imagine those same Jews should now *trust* ........

why were most of the jewish communities in these arab states described...self described...as thriving, flourishing, and very well accepted before the creation of the state of israel?

why did ariel sharon, when he was prime minister, travel to france and tell french jews how much anti-semitism there was in france and encourage them all to move to israel?

why are similar actions such as sharon's, by israel, not brought up when discussing the "expulsion" of the jews from the various arab states?

didn't some of the states you are actually accusing of "eject"ing it's jewish citisens actually have laws restricting or outlawing such emmigration?

it seems like the creation of israel was bad for the indigenous jews of the region as well as the native palestinians.

Only an anti - Semitic, Arab propaganda spewing retard would say something like 'Israel was bad for the indigenous Jews'.

What's the matter with you ????

He needs an anti-emetic.

 

[sealadaigh]

Phil, now you KNOW that's inaccurate.

And while you're presuming to judge Israel for ALLEGEDLY defining itself to not include any Muslims or Christians (which of course is a huge LIE!) - where is your condemnation for the actions of so many Arab League nations in overnight defiing themselves as not including any Jews? NO, not the Iraqi Jews - who'd been there for 2600 years! Nor the Egyptian, nor the Syrian.....

While you decline to acknowledge the fact of the international Arab League conspiracy to rob their Jewish citizenry of everything and kick them out, why should any Jew regard your every word on the topic as anything but biased?

And while the AL states themselves refuse to acknowledge their own crimes against humanity - why would any Jew ever trust their 'offers'?

Speaking of those who wish for others 'the peace of the grave'.......the AL members conspired time and again to give Jews exactly such 'peace'.

Go ahead and whine that 'this has nothing to do with the Palestinians' - but that's BS. Because the same kind and compassionate AL conspirators who beggared and ejected over 950,000 of their citizens for being Jewish are the ones whose 'plan' you imagine those same Jews should now *trust* ........

why were most of the jewish communities in these arab states described...self described...as thriving, flourishing, and very well accepted before the creation of the state of israel?

why did ariel sharon, when he was prime minister, travel to france and tell french jews how much anti-semitism there was in france and encourage them all to move to israel?

why are similar actions such as sharon's, by israel, not brought up when discussing the "expulsion" of the jews from the various arab states?

didn't some of the states you are actually accusing of "eject"ing it's jewish citisens actually have laws restricting or outlawing such emmigration?

it seems like the creation of israel was bad for the indigenous jews of the region as well as the native palestinians.

You call living as second class citizens in apartheid states thriving, well accepted?

Dhimmis and Dhimmitude: History: Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude in History

Dhimmitude can only be understood in the context of jihad, because it originates from this ideology. Infidels who submit without fighting to the Islamic armies, are granted a pledge of security. They are protected from the jihad laws against infidels which command killing, slavery, ransom or deportation for the enemies. Peace and security for non-Muslims are recognised only after their submission. Protection status is provided through the Islamization of conquered lands.

Rules of dhimmitude

The vanquished non-Muslims peoples are granted security for their life and possessions, as well as a relative self-autonomous administration and limited religious rights according to the modalities of the conquest. These rights are subject to two conditions: the payment of a poll tax (the jizya) and submission to the provisions of Islamic law.

The concept of toleration is linked to a number of discriminatory obligations in the economic, religious and social fields, imposed by the shari'a on the dhimmis. The transgression by the dhimmis of some of these obligations, abolished their protection, and threaten them with death or slavery. Dhimmis suffered many legal disabilities intended to reduce them to a condition of humiliation, segregation and discrimination. These rules, established from the eight to nine centuries by the founders of the four schools of Islamic law, set the pattern of the Muslim's community's social behavior toward dhimmis.

Dhimmitude covers more than a millennium of Christian and Jewish history, as well as of other groups. It is a comprehensive civilization encompassing customs, legislation, social behavior. Numerous laws were enacted over the centuries by the Muslim authorities, to implement its principles. It was abolished during the 19th -20th centuries under European pressure and colonization of Arab countries.

lolol...your propaganda and hate sites are worthless. they even stopped being a good joke long ago.

quit whining...i pity you guys already.

you ever wonder why no one likes you guys? nwhy everyone picks on you, or so you allege?

 

[sealadaigh]

Phil, now you KNOW that's inaccurate.

And while you're presuming to judge Israel for ALLEGEDLY defining itself to not include any Muslims or Christians (which of course is a huge LIE!) - where is your condemnation for the actions of so many Arab League nations in overnight defiing themselves as not including any Jews? NO, not the Iraqi Jews - who'd been there for 2600 years! Nor the Egyptian, nor the Syrian.....

While you decline to acknowledge the fact of the international Arab League conspiracy to rob their Jewish citizenry of everything and kick them out, why should any Jew regard your every word on the topic as anything but biased?

And while the AL states themselves refuse to acknowledge their own crimes against humanity - why would any Jew ever trust their 'offers'?

Speaking of those who wish for others 'the peace of the grave'.......the AL members conspired time and again to give Jews exactly such 'peace'.

Go ahead and whine that 'this has nothing to do with the Palestinians' - but that's BS. Because the same kind and compassionate AL conspirators who beggared and ejected over 950,000 of their citizens for being Jewish are the ones whose 'plan' you imagine those same Jews should now *trust* ........

why were most of the jewish communities in these arab states described...self described...as thriving, flourishing, and very well accepted before the creation of the state of israel?

why did ariel sharon, when he was prime minister, travel to france and tell french jews how much anti-semitism there was in france and encourage them all to move to israel?

why are similar actions such as sharon's, by israel, not brought up when discussing the "expulsion" of the jews from the various arab states?

didn't some of the states you are actually accusing of "eject"ing it's jewish citisens actually have laws restricting or outlawing such emmigration?

it seems like the creation of israel was bad for the indigenous jews of the region as well as the native palestinians.

Only an anti - Semitic, Arab propaganda spewing retard would say something like 'Israel was bad for the indigenous Jews'.

What's the matter with you ????

a lot of the jews living in the region at the time of the european influx and the establishment of the state of israel were opposed to it and suffered because of it.

mentally disabled children and adults are referred to as "retards" and as one who has worked with such children, i don't think you or anyone else should use that term as an insult.

those "retards", as you call them, were also targeted by hitler. i guess these holocaust museums really are a "jews only" country club with little or no sympathy or empathy for any other, non-jewish, victims of hitler's death camps.

nothing is wrong with me. i am irish. my people are a lesson in how to overcome extreme diversity and tragedy and be joyul in the midst of tribulation, all the while fighting back against injustice against anyone when and where it occurs.

we don't have too much.

your people are a tribute to wallowing in self pity, accepting handouts, andl acking any empathy for those undergoing fates similar to those that the jewish people endured. in fact, when it comes to the palestinian people, it seems as though you use your history as a lesson plan of what to do as demonstrated by those who you allege have oppressed you in the past.

 

[Roudy]

why were most of the jewish communities in these arab states described...self described...as thriving, flourishing, and very well accepted before the creation of the state of israel?

why did ariel sharon, when he was prime minister, travel to france and tell french jews how much anti-semitism there was in france and encourage them all to move to israel?

why are similar actions such as sharon's, by israel, not brought up when discussing the "expulsion" of the jews from the various arab states?

didn't some of the states you are actually accusing of "eject"ing it's jewish citisens actually have laws restricting or outlawing such emmigration?

it seems like the creation of israel was bad for the indigenous jews of the region as well as the native palestinians.

You call living as second class citizens in apartheid states thriving, well accepted?

Dhimmis and Dhimmitude: History: Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude in History

Dhimmitude can only be understood in the context of jihad, because it originates from this ideology. Infidels who submit without fighting to the Islamic armies, are granted a pledge of security. They are protected from the jihad laws against infidels which command killing, slavery, ransom or deportation for the enemies. Peace and security for non-Muslims are recognised only after their submission. Protection status is provided through the Islamization of conquered lands.

Rules of dhimmitude

The vanquished non-Muslims peoples are granted security for their life and possessions, as well as a relative self-autonomous administration and limited religious rights according to the modalities of the conquest. These rights are subject to two conditions: the payment of a poll tax (the jizya) and submission to the provisions of Islamic law.

The concept of toleration is linked to a number of discriminatory obligations in the economic, religious and social fields, imposed by the shari'a on the dhimmis. The transgression by the dhimmis of some of these obligations, abolished their protection, and threaten them with death or slavery. Dhimmis suffered many legal disabilities intended to reduce them to a condition of humiliation, segregation and discrimination. These rules, established from the eight to nine centuries by the founders of the four schools of Islamic law, set the pattern of the Muslim's community's social behavior toward dhimmis.

Dhimmitude covers more than a millennium of Christian and Jewish history, as well as of other groups. It is a comprehensive civilization encompassing customs, legislation, social behavior. Numerous laws were enacted over the centuries by the Muslim authorities, to implement its principles. It was abolished during the 19th -20th centuries under European pressure and colonization of Arab countries.

lolol...your propaganda and hate sites are worthless. they even stopped being a good joke long ago.

quit whining...i pity you guys already.

you ever wonder why no one likes you guys? nwhy everyone picks on you, or so you allege?

Propaganda? That's the truth, you ignorant moron. Jews and Christians lived as second class citizens and still do. A Jew hater that is dismissive of the truth doesn't count.

 

[toastman]

as for accepting handouts, care to elaborate on that ??

 

[sealadaigh]

You call living as second class citizens in apartheid states thriving, well accepted?

Dhimmis and Dhimmitude: History: Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude in History

Dhimmitude can only be understood in the context of jihad, because it originates from this ideology. Infidels who submit without fighting to the Islamic armies, are granted a pledge of security. They are protected from the jihad laws against infidels which command killing, slavery, ransom or deportation for the enemies. Peace and security for non-Muslims are recognised only after their submission. Protection status is provided through the Islamization of conquered lands.

Rules of dhimmitude

The vanquished non-Muslims peoples are granted security for their life and possessions, as well as a relative self-autonomous administration and limited religious rights according to the modalities of the conquest. These rights are subject to two conditions: the payment of a poll tax (the jizya) and submission to the provisions of Islamic law.

The concept of toleration is linked to a number of discriminatory obligations in the economic, religious and social fields, imposed by the shari'a on the dhimmis. The transgression by the dhimmis of some of these obligations, abolished their protection, and threaten them with death or slavery. Dhimmis suffered many legal disabilities intended to reduce them to a condition of humiliation, segregation and discrimination. These rules, established from the eight to nine centuries by the founders of the four schools of Islamic law, set the pattern of the Muslim's community's social behavior toward dhimmis.

Dhimmitude covers more than a millennium of Christian and Jewish history, as well as of other groups. It is a comprehensive civilization encompassing customs, legislation, social behavior. Numerous laws were enacted over the centuries by the Muslim authorities, to implement its principles. It was abolished during the 19th -20th centuries under European pressure and colonization of Arab countries.

lolol...your propaganda and hate sites are worthless. they even stopped being a good joke long ago.

quit whining...i pity you guys already.

you ever wonder why no one likes you guys? why everyone picks on you, or so you allege?

Seal telling OTHER people to stop whining? lolol !

whining is what one does when one seeks pity from people, and as exemplified by roudy's site. i have never, ever used such a site of the nature that roudy has achieved some noteriety for using.

i rage instead, for the paletinians and justice, and against the denial of their human rights at the hands of the jewish interlopers.

 

[sealadaigh]

as for accepting handouts, care to elaborate on that ??

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...9-israel-condemns-eu-move-on-settlements.html

thanks Pbel.

christ, you whine even when someone makes their aid to you contingent upon your acting like human beings.

"wah, wah, wah...they won't give us OUR money nunless we stop abusing human rights."

aw, go sue someone or reparations, why doncha?

 

[Roudy]

why were most of the jewish communities in these arab states described...self described...as thriving, flourishing, and very well accepted before the creation of the state of israel?

why did ariel sharon, when he was prime minister, travel to france and tell french jews how much anti-semitism there was in france and encourage them all to move to israel?

why are similar actions such as sharon's, by israel, not brought up when discussing the "expulsion" of the jews from the various arab states?

didn't some of the states you are actually accusing of "eject"ing it's jewish citisens actually have laws restricting or outlawing such emmigration?

it seems like the creation of israel was bad for the indigenous jews of the region as well as the native palestinians.

Only an anti - Semitic, Arab propaganda spewing retard would say something like 'Israel was bad for the indigenous Jews'.

What's the matter with you ????

a lot of the jews living in the region at the time of the european influx and the establishment of the state of israel were opposed to it and suffered because of it.

mentally disabled children and adults are referred to as "retards" and as one who has worked with such children, i don't think you or anyone else should use that term as an insult.

those "retards", as you call them, were also targeted by hitler. i guess these holocaust museums really are a "jews only" country club with little or no sympathy or empathy for any other, non-jewish, victims of hitler's death camps.

nothing is wrong with me. i am irish. my people are a lesson in how to overcome extreme diversity and tragedy and be joyul in the midst of tribulation, all the while fighting back against injustice against anyone when and where it occurs.

we don't have too much.

your people are a tribute to wallowing in self pity, accepting handouts, andl acking any empathy for those undergoing fates similar to those that the jewish people endured. in fact, when it comes to the palestinian people, it seems as though you use your history as a lesson plan of what to do as demonstrated by those who you allege have oppressed you in the past.

LOL "your people.". Here we go with the anti Semitic tirade again. It doesn't take much for this guy start spewing hatred and bigotry towards Jews. It's always you Jooos, you people, money grubbing Joos, hook nosed Joos, Joos lack empathy, Jews are selfish, other people died in the Holocaust, Jooos this and Jooos that.

 

[sealadaigh]

a lot of the jews living in the region at the time of the european influx and the establishment of the state of israel were opposed to it and suffered because of it.

mentally disabled children and adults are referred to as "retards" and as one who has worked with such children, i don't think you or anyone else should use that term as an insult.

those "retards", as you call them, were also targeted by hitler. i guess these holocaust museums really are a "jews only" country club with little or no sympathy or empathy for any other, non-jewish, victims of hitler's death camps.

nothing is wrong with me. i am irish. my people are a lesson in how to overcome extreme diversity and tragedy and be joyul in the midst of tribulation, all the while fighting back against injustice against anyone when and where it occurs.

we don't have too much.

your people are a tribute to wallowing in self pity, accepting handouts, andl acking any empathy for those undergoing fates similar to those that the jewish people endured. in fact, when it comes to the palestinian people, it seems as though you use your history as a lesson plan of what to do as demonstrated by those who you allege have oppressed you in the past.

LOL "your people.". Here we go with the anti Semitic tirade again. It doesn't take much for this guy start spewing hatred and bigotry towards Jews. It's always you Jooos, you people, money grubbing Joos, hook nosed Joos, Joos lack empathy, Jews are selfish, other people died in the Holocaust, Jooos this and Jooos that.

I wouldn't be surprised if he blames Joooos for his miserable life

i'm happy. jews neither add to or detract from that.

 

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[Hossfly]

So wrong as usual. Israel should totally stay out of Egypt's internal affairs. And let us Americans do the same while rooting for both sides to win in their massacres of each other, until there are none. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Like I have said before, THE ONLY PEACE YOU WISH FOR THE MUSLIMS OF THE MIDDLEEAST IS THE PEACE OF THE GRAVE !!! You really should be ashamed to ever use the word peace !!!

How funny, Patrick, when in so many Muslim countries they are calling for the death of the Infidels, and that means you and the rest of the Catholics. Do you ever notice the news about the Catholics (including priests) being murdered in Muslim countries, or is all your vitriol reserved for the Jews and Israel? If you think MJB should be ashamed, then you should also be ashamed in overlooking what is happening to the Catholics and their churches. Do you really think the Catholic groups reporting on what is happening to their people in Muslim countries are just doing it for the heck of it?

 

[Roudy]

lolol...your propaganda and hate sites are worthless. they even stopped being a good joke long ago.

quit whining...i pity you guys already.

you ever wonder why no one likes you guys? why everyone picks on you, or so you allege?

Seal telling OTHER people to stop whining? lolol !

whining is what one does when one seeks pity from people, and as exemplified by roudy's site. i have never, ever used such a site of the nature that roudy has achieved some noteriety for using.

i rage instead, for the paletinians and justice, and against the denial of their human rights at the hands of the jewish interlopers.

Muslims persecution and oppression of religious minorities is a historical fact. Just look up Dhimmi in any search engine and pick any of the choices.

Why would an anti Semite go to a hate site when they can read your posts filled with hatred and bigotry?

Life for non Muslims under the Islamic Nazi mafia:

DHIMMI

Restrictions[edit]

Jews and Christians living under early Muslim rule were considered dhimmis, a status that was later also extended to other non-Muslims like Hindus. They were allowed to "practice their religion, subject to certain conditions, and to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy" and guaranteed their personal safety and security of property, in return for paying tribute and acknowledging Muslim rule.[88] Taxation from the perspective of dhimmis who came under the Muslim rule, was "a concrete continuation of the taxes paid to earlier regimes"[89] (but lower under the Muslim rule[90][91]). They were also exempted from the zakaat tax paid by Muslims. The dhimmi communities living in Islamic states had their own laws independent from the Sharia law, such as the Jews who had their own Halakha courts.[92] The dhimmi communities had their own chiefs and judges, with their own family, personal and religious laws,[48] and "generally speaking, Muslim tolerance of unbelievers was far better than anything available in Christendom, until the rise of secularism in the 17th century".[49]
However, there were a number of restrictions on dhimmis. In modern sense the dhimmis would be described as second class citizens.[93] Although dhimmis were allowed to perform their religious rituals, they were obliged to do so in a manner not conspicuous to Muslims. Display of non-Muslim religious symbols, such as crosses or icons, was prohibited on buildings and on clothing (unless mandated as part of distinctive clothing). Loud prayers were forbidden, as were the ringing of church bells or the trumpeting of shofars.[94] They were also were not allowed to build or repair churches without Muslim consent.[50] Moreover dhimmis were not allowed to seek converts among Muslims.[95] In the Mamluk Egypt, where non-Mamluk Muslims were not allowed to ride horses and camels, dhimmis were prohibited even from riding donkeys inside cities.[96] Sometimes, Muslim rulers issued regulations requiring dhimmis to attach distinctive signs to their houses.[97]

Jizya tax[edit]
Main article: Jizya
Payment of the jizya obligated Muslim authorities to protect dhimmis in civil and military matters. Sura 9:29 stipulates that jizya be exacted from non-Muslims as a condition required for jihad to cease. Failure to pay the jizya could result in the pledge of protection of a dhimmi's life and property becoming void, with the dhimmi facing the alternatives of conversion, enslavement or death (or imprisonment, as advocated by Abu Yusuf, the chief qadi — religious judge — of Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid).[100] Taxation, from the perspective of dhimmis who came under Muslim rule, was "a concrete continuation of the taxes paid to earlier regimes".[89] Lewis observes that the change from Byzantine to Arab rule was welcomed by many among the Dhimmis who found the new yoke far lighter than the old, both in taxation and in other matters, and that some even among the Christians of Syria and Egypt preferred the rule of Islam to that of Byzantines.[91] In some places, for example Egypt, the obligations of the Jizya tax created economic incentives for Christians to convert to Islam.[50]

 

[sealadaigh]

Seal telling OTHER people to stop whining? lolol !

whining is what one does when one seeks pity from people, and as exemplified by roudy's site. i have never, ever used such a site of the nature that roudy has achieved some noteriety for using.

i rage instead, for the paletinians and justice, and against the denial of their human rights at the hands of the jewish interlopers.

Muslims persecution and oppression of religious minorities is a historical fact. Just look up Dhimmi in any search engine and pick any of the choices.

Why would an anti Semite go to a hate site when they can read your posts filled with hatred and bigotry?

Life for non Muslims under the Islamic Nazi mafia:

DHIMMI

Restrictions[edit]

Jews and Christians living under early Muslim rule were considered dhimmis, a status that was later also extended to other non-Muslims like Hindus. They were allowed to "practice their religion, subject to certain conditions, and to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy" and guaranteed their personal safety and security of property, in return for paying tribute and acknowledging Muslim rule.[88] Taxation from the perspective of dhimmis who came under the Muslim rule, was "a concrete continuation of the taxes paid to earlier regimes"[89] (but lower under the Muslim rule[90][91]). They were also exempted from the zakaat tax paid by Muslims. The dhimmi communities living in Islamic states had their own laws independent from the Sharia law, such as the Jews who had their own Halakha courts.[92] The dhimmi communities had their own chiefs and judges, with their own family, personal and religious laws,[48] and "generally speaking, Muslim tolerance of unbelievers was far better than anything available in Christendom, until the rise of secularism in the 17th century".[49]
However, there were a number of restrictions on dhimmis. In modern sense the dhimmis would be described as second class citizens.[93] Although dhimmis were allowed to perform their religious rituals, they were obliged to do so in a manner not conspicuous to Muslims. Display of non-Muslim religious symbols, such as crosses or icons, was prohibited on buildings and on clothing (unless mandated as part of distinctive clothing). Loud prayers were forbidden, as were the ringing of church bells or the trumpeting of shofars.[94] They were also were not allowed to build or repair churches without Muslim consent.[50] Moreover dhimmis were not allowed to seek converts among Muslims.[95] In the Mamluk Egypt, where non-Mamluk Muslims were not allowed to ride horses and camels, dhimmis were prohibited even from riding donkeys inside cities.[96] Sometimes, Muslim rulers issued regulations requiring dhimmis to attach distinctive signs to their houses.[97]

Jizya tax[edit]
Main article: Jizya
Payment of the jizya obligated Muslim authorities to protect dhimmis in civil and military matters. Sura 9:29 stipulates that jizya be exacted from non-Muslims as a condition required for jihad to cease. Failure to pay the jizya could result in the pledge of protection of a dhimmi's life and property becoming void, with the dhimmi facing the alternatives of conversion, enslavement or death (or imprisonment, as advocated by Abu Yusuf, the chief qadi — religious judge — of Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid).[100] Taxation, from the perspective of dhimmis who came under Muslim rule, was "a concrete continuation of the taxes paid to earlier regimes".[89] Lewis observes that the change from Byzantine to Arab rule was welcomed by many among the Dhimmis who found the new yoke far lighter than the old, both in taxation and in other matters, and that some even among the Christians of Syria and Egypt preferred the rule of Islam to that of Byzantines.[91] In some places, for example Egypt, the obligations of the Jizya tax created economic incentives for Christians to convert to Islam.[50]

you are a funny guy, roudy.

ya go to wiki, a non-hate site, non-propaganda sight and dig up the worst you can find on dhimmitude.

so, at a time that corresponded loosely with the middle ages in europe, we have a descrption of islamic society that makes the arab/muslim peoples absolutely benevolent and some o the most progressive people in the world.

sure, the non-muslims were taxed, but so were the muslims...but non-muslims were also relieved of certain obligations the muslim citisens were required to ulfill. it seems they even welcomed the change from the rule of the byantine christians to that of the arab/muslims. maybe you should talk to hoss.

and really, we are talking about a time in the mid-east/north africa that corresponded to the advent and practices of feudal societies in europe.

i see now another redefinition of "anti-semitism" that entails a desire to have the palestinian peoplethreated in a safe and humane manner.

 

[Roudy]

whining is what one does when one seeks pity from people, and as exemplified by roudy's site. i have never, ever used such a site of the nature that roudy has achieved some noteriety for using.

i rage instead, for the paletinians and justice, and against the denial of their human rights at the hands of the jewish interlopers.

Muslims persecution and oppression of religious minorities is a historical fact. Just look up Dhimmi in any search engine and pick any of the choices.

Why would an anti Semite go to a hate site when they can read your posts filled with hatred and bigotry?

Life for non Muslims under the Islamic Nazi mafia:

DHIMMI

Restrictions[edit]

Jews and Christians living under early Muslim rule were considered dhimmis, a status that was later also extended to other non-Muslims like Hindus. They were allowed to "practice their religion, subject to certain conditions, and to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy" and guaranteed their personal safety and security of property, in return for paying tribute and acknowledging Muslim rule.[88] Taxation from the perspective of dhimmis who came under the Muslim rule, was "a concrete continuation of the taxes paid to earlier regimes"[89] (but lower under the Muslim rule[90][91]). They were also exempted from the zakaat tax paid by Muslims. The dhimmi communities living in Islamic states had their own laws independent from the Sharia law, such as the Jews who had their own Halakha courts.[92] The dhimmi communities had their own chiefs and judges, with their own family, personal and religious laws,[48] and "generally speaking, Muslim tolerance of unbelievers was far better than anything available in Christendom, until the rise of secularism in the 17th century".[49]
However, there were a number of restrictions on dhimmis. In modern sense the dhimmis would be described as second class citizens.[93] Although dhimmis were allowed to perform their religious rituals, they were obliged to do so in a manner not conspicuous to Muslims. Display of non-Muslim religious symbols, such as crosses or icons, was prohibited on buildings and on clothing (unless mandated as part of distinctive clothing). Loud prayers were forbidden, as were the ringing of church bells or the trumpeting of shofars.[94] They were also were not allowed to build or repair churches without Muslim consent.[50] Moreover dhimmis were not allowed to seek converts among Muslims.[95] In the Mamluk Egypt, where non-Mamluk Muslims were not allowed to ride horses and camels, dhimmis were prohibited even from riding donkeys inside cities.[96] Sometimes, Muslim rulers issued regulations requiring dhimmis to attach distinctive signs to their houses.[97]

Jizya tax[edit]
Main article: Jizya
Payment of the jizya obligated Muslim authorities to protect dhimmis in civil and military matters. Sura 9:29 stipulates that jizya be exacted from non-Muslims as a condition required for jihad to cease. Failure to pay the jizya could result in the pledge of protection of a dhimmi's life and property becoming void, with the dhimmi facing the alternatives of conversion, enslavement or death (or imprisonment, as advocated by Abu Yusuf, the chief qadi — religious judge — of Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid).[100] Taxation, from the perspective of dhimmis who came under Muslim rule, was "a concrete continuation of the taxes paid to earlier regimes".[89] Lewis observes that the change from Byzantine to Arab rule was welcomed by many among the Dhimmis who found the new yoke far lighter than the old, both in taxation and in other matters, and that some even among the Christians of Syria and Egypt preferred the rule of Islam to that of Byzantines.[91] In some places, for example Egypt, the obligations of the Jizya tax created economic incentives for Christians to convert to Islam.[50]

you are a funny guy, roudy.

ya go to wiki, a non-hate site, non-propaganda sight and dig up the worst you can find on dhimmitude.

so, at a time that corresponded loosely with the middle ages in europe, we have a descrption of islamic society that makes the arab/muslim peoples absolutely benevolent and some o the most progressive people in the world.

sure, the non-muslims were taxed, but so were the muslims...but non-muslims were also relieved of certain obligations the muslim citisens were required to ulfill. it seems they even welcomed the change from the rule of the byantine christians to that of the arab/muslims. maybe you should talk to hoss.

and really, we are talking about a time in the mid-east/north africa that corresponded to the advent and practices of feudal societies in europe.

i see now another redefinition of "anti-semitism" that entails a desire to have the palestinian peoplethreated in a safe and humane manner.

Idiot, it appears your hate is causing reading comprehension problems for you as well. Read what I posted again. The non Muslims had to pay an additional SPECIAL tax, aka a bribe similar to what you would pay the mafia, and its pretty obvious that religious minorities were oppressed and treated as second class citizens with less rights.

And exactly what did my Wikipedia post say that was different than the site I previously posted? Nothing.

 

[irosie91]

Roudy seal is right--- DHIMMIA is so nice that Israel can do
the muslims of Israel a FAVOR -----and simply render them DHIMMIS.

In fact----seal's notion might be good for the muslims of the USA
too. --------and any other groups who desire the
BEAUTY OF DHIMMIA. Keep in mind-----between pogroms
in moorish spain ----jews did produce lots of poetry----and life
in the GHETTOs of morocco was kinda nice. I know my
mother-in-law was delighted to be ripped from her mother at
age 11 under the "DHIMMI ORPHAN LAW"---that seal so favors---
and the fact that there are still thousands of christian kids
trapped in slavery in sudan DELIGHTS HIM

For those who do not know-----the genocide of birafrans
and armenians were also DHIMMIA issues, It is what seal
WANTS for muslims