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Empire collapsed in 1924...reborn 2001?
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archangel said:Empire collapsed in 1924...reborn 2001?
USViking said:What do you mean by "empire"?
I take the word to mean sovereignty over foreign peoples.
The German, Ottoman and Russian empires collapsed
in the wake of WW1.
Although the USSR was able to reassert authority over all
of what had been Russian, and to expand even further,
it broke completely apart in 1991.
The Chinese Empire had collpsed earlier.
The British, French, and Japanese Empires were all
going strong in 1924, but also broke up completely
post-1945.
None of these show any sign of resurgence as an
empire in the 21st century.
I guess what I am saying is I need a hint.
archangel said:collapsed openly 1924...went underground..continued the assertion of power for Islam in Europe and expanding to the USA! 911 ring a bell? They may be covert but a enemy to recon with!
I'm guessing he means this:USViking said:This would not be an "empire" except in a figurative sense.
There was essentially no Islamic presense in Western Europe
or the US until well after WW2.
Andrew C. Hess, The Collapse of the Ottoman Social Order in 1917:
A Means of Understanding the Ethnic History of the Middle East and Central Asia Current conflicts result from globalization, from the introduction of nation-building in areas previously dominated by pre-industrial empires. The structure and collapse of the Soviet Union in Central Asia and the Caucuses resemble the structure and collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The globalization process driven by modern science and technology, causing new global interlinking and recasting relationships between peoples, caused both to collapse. This globalization process is not linear, but advances in a
cyclical and disorganized fashion that can produce anxiety, violence, and religious tumult. An example of this disorganized advance is the advent of the nation-state, which proceeded from 16 century Europe, to 1923 Turkey, to 1947 Pakistan and to 1991 Central Asia...
padisha emperor said:Michael Ventris, in 1952
(google)
Where and why did Patrice de Mac-Mahon, french general and future president of the Republic (IIIrd republic, 1873-79), say : "J'y suis, j'y reste !" (i'm here, i stay) ?
hint : during the Crimea War
I would have to guess again.padisha emperor said:If you can say why exactly he said that, it would be perfect. but if no, ask a question.
padisha emperor said:In fact : Mac-Mahon said htis sentence at the tower of Malakoff, in Sebastopol's fortifications, juste after that the french soldiers took the place, and after a long siege. A soldier came to say to MM that he was sit on a powder reserve, and that could be dangerous. then, he said "J'y suis, j'y reste", to show that after such fight, now, he didn't want to move. This russian place was his.
general Pemberton ?
USViking said:Good guess with Pemberton, but the general
was USA, not CSA.