History Regurgitates Itself

[JakeStarkey]

The O is gonna push things until he's called to account...

By whom?
Van Jones ? George Soros? Richard Trumka?

A troika of US Army Retired, tea party samurai, and Revere.

 

[JakeStarkey]

JB is having a meltdown.

Because you can't refute anything that JB has posted, he is having a "meltdown."

The point is this: PC's opening was not fact. Everything else flowed from that deception. JB has proven her OP to be ludicrous.

And your knee jerk reaction is ludicrous.

Let's see if you now have a meltdown, wannabee conservative.

 

[The T]

Article II, Section 2, paragraph 2 of the United States Constitution:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

It appears to me that Congress has allowed the appointment of czars to be carried out without advise and consent. In other words, they already let the cat out of the bag!!!

So by this? It could be said that they have aborgated their duties?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Article II, Section 2, paragraph 2 of the United States Constitution:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

It appears to me that Congress has allowed the appointment of czars to be carried out without advise and consent. In other words, they already let the cat out of the bag!!!

So by this? It could be said that they have aborgated their duties?

Not the first time.

 

[Care4all]

seems to me that jb's been doing a lot of legwork....he AT LEAST researched the topic and PROVED, without a doubt, that the op was, and is, wrong in many assumptions, no?

 

[JBeukema]

Actually, Care... I just Googled it

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

JB is a female.And no.

 

[The T]

Article II, Section 2, paragraph 2 of the United States Constitution:


It appears to me that Congress has allowed the appointment of czars to be carried out without advise and consent. In other words, they already let the cat out of the bag!!!

So by this? It could be said that they have aborgated their duties?

Not the first time.

And the first step toward an accounting has begun...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"Czar" struck a nerve with JB

 

[JBeukema]

"Czar" struck a nerve with JB

Historical note: America backed the Czar

Remember the whole Reds vs. Whites thing?

 

[saveliberty]

Suppose it would be too obvious to have advisors to advise and agency heads to manage for the President. Clearly this is the executive office way of expanding control. It is the basic malady of government and the media. Reporting is way too restrictive, why not editorialize too?

 

[MaggieMae]

1. The concept of ‘checks and balances’ is viewed by Progressives as standing in the way of addressing every and any ‘social ill.’ It is of more than passing interesting that Progressives view of government is of the contrary of constitutional restrictions: powers must be centralized in an executive, and the bureaucrats that invest this type of government. “…the agencies comprising the bureaucracy reside within the executive branch of our national government, but their powers transcend the traditional boundaries of executive power to include both legislative and judicial functions, and these powers are often exercised in a manner that is largely independent of presidential control and altogether independent of political control.” The Birth of the Administrative State: Where It Came From and What It Means for Limited Government | The Heritage Foundation

2. The White House hopes to avoid the “advice and consent” role of the Senate by naming Warren as “special advisor” to both the President and the Treasury Secretary. Better known in public parlance as czars, the first “special advisor” occurred when Woodrow Wilson appointed financier Bernard Baruch to head the War Industries Board, a position dubbed industry czar.

Franklin Roosevelt created a dozen such czars during his presidency, and modern presidents since Richard Nixon have made increasing use of the position to place loyal, and at times controversial, supporters among career bureaucrats to ensure that the administration’s policies are carried out.

With the recent addition of Warren and the Asian tarp czar, John Goss, the total number of current czars comes to 43. The large number of czars appointed by President Obama, particularly this early in his administration, led Senator McCain (R-AZ) to tweet last year that Barack Obama has more czars than the Romanovs, the Russian imperial family, ever did…. It is long past due for Congress to reassert its rightful role of “advise and consent” by demanding specific job information for each czar. If such information is withheld by the White House, or it turns out that the czar is in fact an “official” under the Appointments Clause, Congress should not hesitate to defund the agency.
CZARIST AMERICA

3. President Barack Obama wants to ramp-up Internet security with the establishment of a czar to oversee privacy. The administration plans a stronger legal effort to protect Internet privacy -- including new laws and creation of a new position to oversee the effort, people familiar with the situation tell The Wall Street Journal. Obama Wants Internet Security Czar

And here you are again quoting rightwing blogs and news outlets. What's wrong with you, PC? What flavor do you savor suddenly? This is such a crappy, insignificant issue (not an "issue" in reality) to latch onto. You make mountains out of molehills. Seriously.

The term "Czar" in American politics was and is a very common term used for an official whose job is to coordinate different departments and agencies dealing with some key issue. That's a mouthful, regardless of the related agency. It's much more snappy and concise to headline Soandso has been appointed "Czar of EPA's Toxic Waste Dumps" than to say Soandso has been appointed "Coordinator of EPA's Cleanup Task Force." Headline grabber first; then suddenly the scales fall from the eyes at the realization that this person has no evil "Tsar-esque" duties after all.

(Apparently "Czar" was an insult in American political language up until the Russian Revolution killed off the last real Tsar. Before that, Czarism was the big bad that American democracy rescued us from.)

This is the 21st Century, girl.

 

[MaggieMae]

OK:

Point 1. What a load of empty rhetoric this is. The entire paragraph is based on the assumption that the first sentence is factual, which it is clearly not.

Point 2. You guys have a lot of fun pretending that the word "Czar" in it's current incarnation meaning "advisor" is the same as a Russian monarch. It would be funny if you didn't actually mean it to some extent. But, as it is, it's pitiful.

Point 3. Who cares? A "Czar" is an ADVISORY position. They have no power.

they have no power.....lmao....you're clueless

see just one example...drug czar

And? Hows that war on drugs coming along, even with a drug czar?

 

[MaggieMae]

Abstinence Czar (Randal Tobias)
AIDS Czar (4 Czars: Scott Evertz, Joe O’Neill, Carol Thompson, Jeffrey Crowley)
Bank Bailout Czar (Neel Kashkari)
Bioethics Czar ( Leon Kass)
Bird flu Czar (Stewart Simonson)
Birth control czar (Erik Keroack)
Budget czar (3 Czars: Mitchell Daniels, Joshua Bolton, Rob Portman)
Clean Up Czar (2 Czars: Jessie Roberson & James Rispoli)
Communications Czar (Dan Bartlett)
Cyber Security Czar, Cyber Czar (2 Czars: Richard Clarke, Rod Beckstrom)
Democracy Czar (Elliott Abrams)
Domestic Policy Czar (Karl Rove)
Drug Czar (John P. Walters)
Faith-Based Czar, Faith Czar (4 Czars: Don Willett, John Dilulio, Jim Towey, Jay Hein)
Food Safety Czar (David W.K. Acheson)
Global AIDS Czar (2 Czars: Randall Tobias, Mark Dybul)
Health Czar for WTC, World Trade Center Health Czar (John Howard)
Health IT Czar (David Brailer)
Homeland Security Czar (Michael Chertoff)
Homeless Czar, Homelessness Czar (Phil Mangano)
Gulf Coast Reconstruction Czar, Hurricane Katrina Recovery Czar (Donald E. Powell)

That one is particularly irksome because all that newly created bureaucracy did was spend millions on projects such as sending couples off to boot camp to learn how to stop trying to kill each other and make love, not war. OMG, the Republican run gubmit got right between the sheets. Imagine that...

 

[MaggieMae]

JB is having a meltdown.

It's called using a hammer against fact-free diatribes. Get used to it. Some of us are just getting started. But if that's the way you want to describe it, go right ahead.

 

[MaggieMae]

So by this? It could be said that they have aborgated their duties?

Not the first time.

And the first step toward an accounting has begun...

I do believe we're seeing a veiled threat here, boys and girls. Code for...what, Mr. T? Can't say it without DHS zooming in on the "word" as highest on its list of buzzwords?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The use of the czar as an administrative advisor is a century-long procedure for implementing efficiency and effectiveness: a progressive era belief in 'scientific' management.

The republicans have used it also.

Let's move on.

 

[JBeukema]

(Apparently "Czar" was an insult in American political language up until the Russian Revolution killed off the last real Tsar. Before that, Czarism was the big bad that American democracy rescued us from.)

This is the 21st Century, girl.

Fail

America backed the Czar

Google: whites reds russian revolution

 

[JakeStarkey]

How interesting that the Odd One's hero (Harding) brought American troops home from Siberia, helping the communists, those same troops that Woodrow Wilson sent, helping the anti-communists.

The ironies of history and how folks misconstruct it for bad purposes.

 

[JBeukema]

Not the first time.

And the first step toward an accounting has begun...

I do believe we're seeing a veiled threat here, boys and girls. Code for...what, Mr. T? Can't say it without DHS zooming in on the "word" as highest on its list of buzzwords?

second amendment remedies


if ballots don't work, bullets will

As they feed the war machine and pull the strings behind the scenes
With a bloated sense of supremacy

'Blinded by the preconceived distorted way to be perceived
It's what's believed by your enemy

Hold on to something - Here come the rains
This damn is about to break
Hold on to nothing - Self-contained
How much more can you take

Might is right and thought is wrong it's a long road nowhere
Enjoy the ride with blinders on '

-'Destroy the World Around Me' - Mushroomhead
​