History Reveals Progressives as Dupes!

[Ravi]

"In his memoir Dreams from My Father, Barack Obama wrote about "Frank", a friend of his grandfather's. "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley (Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles apart, near Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the way race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that there had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made me smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith, living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[19] Obama also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South Chicago as a community organizer and took some time one day to visit the areas where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a baggy suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre, waiting to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [20]

In the opinion of Gerald Horne, a contributing editor to the CPUSA publication Political Affairs, Davis was "a decisive influence in helping Obama to find his present identity" as an African-American.[21] Claims that Davis was a political influence on Obama were made by Jerome Corsi in his anti-Obama book The Obama Nation.[22] A rebuttal released by Obama's presidential campaign, titled Unfit for Publication, confirmed that "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis, but disputes those claims about the nature of their relationship.[23]

20.^ Barack Obama, Dreams from My Father, Paper Back Edition, Chapter 8, Page 145
21.^ Gerald Horne, Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party, Political Affairs Magazine, March 28, 2007 (deleted from Political Affairs Magazine website; but still available at Archive.org)
22.^ The Obama Nation, Jerome Corsi, p. 85, Simon and Schuster (2008)
23.^ Unfit for Publication (pdf)
Frank Marshall Davis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"In
his books, Obama admits attending “socialist conferences” and coming into
contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a
“hard-core academic Marxist,” which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004
U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However,
through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone
who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The
record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where,
at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son,
with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting
advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just “Frank.”

The
reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist
who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951
report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a
CPUSA member."
Obama’s Communist Mentor


"Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's half-sister, told the Associated Press recently that her grandfather had seen Mr Davis was a "point of connection, a bridge if you will, to the larger African-American experience for my brother". Confederate Yankee: Obama Mentor Frank Marshall Davis an Admitted Child Rapist


Feel free to retract your post.

Your post proves you wrong and Micky correct.

Ravi- you been drinkin' again????

No, but you've been lying again...or maybe just being stupid, it is very hard to tell.

 

[Truthmatters]

When will these people learn it is NOT illegal to be a communist in America?

There were very few black people in hawaii and this man was a successful black poet.

Highly educated and knew American black history.

Obamas Grand parents wanted him to know other black people.

The man had kids that were likely Obamas age.

To try and create an image of Obama as some fucking commie because he knew a man who was a commie is just how stupid this idiot writer is.

The writer is a far worse person than this old black poet.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your post proves you wrong and Micky correct.

Ravi- you been drinkin' again????

No, but you've been lying again...or maybe just being stupid, it is very hard to tell.

Time to send Ravi back to school...

Shall we review?

1. Mikey G said "Frank Marshall Davis wasn't Obama's trusted counselor or guide."

2. I blew that mistake out of the water with linked references...

3. Poor Ravi chimed in with the clearly erroneous "Your post proves you wrong and Micky correct."

4. Now, I couldn't allow that, so I inqured as to Ravi's state of inebriation...

5. But Ravi, hard wired to the liberal jargon, responded with " lying again" and the vituperative "just being stupid"...so it becomes incumbent upon me to prove to whom those titles belong:

a. We take from Obama's "thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self"...that Frank was firmly implanted in his mind.

b. And, "remembered Frank" implies the same.

c. Again by Obama, "visit the areas where Frank had lived and wrote in his book," gives us the understanding of how well he knew Frank, and the impressions Frank had on him. After all, how many times have you felt the need to re-live episodes from an acquaintance's life? Visited their former habitats?

d. And "Davis was "a decisive influence in helping Obama to find his present identity" provides third party documentation that Frank was Obama's "...Obama's trusted counselor or guide."

e. And an author's further research reveals that Frank "Davis was a political influence on Obama," and I contend that this also documents that Frank was Obama's "...Obama's trusted counselor or guide."

f. Lest there be any doubt that the 'Frank' in the Obama book was, in fact, Frank Marshall Davis, we find "Obama's presidential campaign, titled Unfit for Publication, confirmed that "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis,"

g. Study the words in the next link, " a close relationship, almost like a son,
with Davis." Is there any doubt that a father would logically be considered to be a "trusted counselor or guide."?

Need more, or are you grinding your teeth already?

h. OK...how about one more: Obama's half-sister also adds testimony in "Mr Davis was a "point of connection, a bridge if you will, to the larger African-American experience for my brother".


So, poor Ravi, it seems that the terms 'lying' and 'stupid' have come back to bite you in the posterior, eh?

Now, here is a chance to retrieve some sense of honor from this episode: simply apologize.

 

[xotoxi]

America’s Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives... have all of the weekly columns written by Obama’s mentor, Frank Marshall Davis.

Frank Marshall Davis wasn't Obama's trusted counselor or guide.

"In his memoir Dreams from My Father, Barack Obama wrote about "Frank", a friend of his grandfather's. "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley (Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles apart, near Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the way race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that there had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made me smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith, living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[19] Obama also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South Chicago as a community organizer and took some time one day to visit the areas where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a baggy suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre, waiting to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [20]

In the opinion of Gerald Horne, a contributing editor to the CPUSA publication Political Affairs, Davis was "a decisive influence in helping Obama to find his present identity" as an African-American.[21] Claims that Davis was a political influence on Obama were made by Jerome Corsi in his anti-Obama book The Obama Nation.[22] A rebuttal released by Obama's presidential campaign, titled Unfit for Publication, confirmed that "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis, but disputes those claims about the nature of their relationship.[23]

20.^ Barack Obama, Dreams from My Father, Paper Back Edition, Chapter 8, Page 145
21.^ Gerald Horne, Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party, Political Affairs Magazine, March 28, 2007 (deleted from Political Affairs Magazine website; but still available at Archive.org)
22.^ The Obama Nation, Jerome Corsi, p. 85, Simon and Schuster (2008)
23.^ Unfit for Publication (pdf)
Frank Marshall Davis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"In
his books, Obama admits attending “socialist conferences” and coming into
contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a
“hard-core academic Marxist,” which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004
U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However,
through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone
who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The
record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where,
at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son,
with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting
advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just “Frank.”

The
reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist
who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951
report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a
CPUSA member."
Obama’s Communist Mentor


"Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's half-sister, told the Associated Press recently that her grandfather had seen Mr Davis was a "point of connection, a bridge if you will, to the larger African-American experience for my brother". Confederate Yankee: Obama Mentor Frank Marshall Davis an Admitted Child Rapist


Feel free to retract your post.

If Jerome Corsi said it, then it MUST be true!

 

[NYcarbineer]

you read too much rightwingnut garbage. it's rotting your brain. *shakes head*

I'm telling you people, her goal is to cut and paste the entire internet onto USMB.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The day after Obama agrees to an uber-rightwing tax plan,

accusing him of being a Communist would be...

what?

...an extremely brilliant parody?

Considering the source, unfortunately, no...

 

[PoliticalChic]

The day after Obama agrees to an uber-rightwing tax plan,

accusing him of being a Communist would be...

what?

...an extremely brilliant parody?

Considering the source, unfortunately, no...

Carby, you evince an amazing consistency: you never really contribute anything to a discussion....

At least it keeps you off the street corner.

 

[Truthmatters]

What a fucking hack you are PC.

He provides far more facts than you do.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What a fucking hack you are PC.

He provides far more facts than you do.

Can you provide them?

 

[Ravi]

edited for conciseness:

PC, you have found a few passing comments by Obama and several by other people expressing an opinion.

None of them add up to this dude being Obama's mentor in the least.

I can assume correctly that the book you are peddling is full of hysterical bullshit.

 

[PoliticalChic]

edited for conciseness:

PC, you have found a few passing comments by Obama and several by other people expressing an opinion.

None of them add up to this dude being Obama's mentor in the least.

I can assume correctly that the book you are peddling is full of hysterical bullshit.

"...you have found a few passing comments by Obama and several by other people..."
Glad you found that 'lying' and 'stupid' were out of place.

"I can assume ..."

Now, Ravi, surely you know what they say about assuming?

“When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.”
~ Oscar Wilde on Assumption

Rather than assume, wouldn't the scholarly technique be to read the book and see if you could find said errors?

Don't be afraid.

 

[WillowTree]

Yeah those Soviets duped the bejesus out of us, didn't they?

That must be why they're the only superpower left standing, I guess.

No, but George Bush did. that's why we call ya's DUmmies.

 

[Ravi]

edited for conciseness:

PC, you have found a few passing comments by Obama and several by other people expressing an opinion.

None of them add up to this dude being Obama's mentor in the least.

I can assume correctly that the book you are peddling is full of hysterical bullshit.

"...you have found a few passing comments by Obama and several by other people..."
Glad you found that 'lying' and 'stupid' were out of place.

"I can assume ..."

Now, Ravi, surely you know what they say about assuming?

“When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.”
~ Oscar Wilde on Assumption

Rather than assume, wouldn't the scholarly technique be to read the book and see if you could find said errors?

Don't be afraid.

When you've already posted one glaring lie from the book there is no need to read the book.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC, you have found a few passing comments by Obama and several by other people expressing an opinion.

None of them add up to this dude being Obama's mentor in the least.

I can assume correctly that the book you are peddling is full of hysterical bullshit.

"...you have found a few passing comments by Obama and several by other people..."
Glad you found that 'lying' and 'stupid' were out of place.

"I can assume ..."

Now, Ravi, surely you know what they say about assuming?

“When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.”
~ Oscar Wilde on Assumption

Rather than assume, wouldn't the scholarly technique be to read the book and see if you could find said errors?

Don't be afraid.

When you've already posted one glaring lie from the book there is no need to read the book.

You have yet to uncover any 'glaring lies.'

No, your posts indicate, to me, the fear that one's worldview is built on a base of sand, and it is slowly sifting away...

I blame President Obama for that...you were so happy with his election, and so sure that he had the right stuff...

Your posts were so self-assured back then, challenging, and abrasive...
It was fun answering them.

Now there seem to be fewer such voices on the board, and the ones remaining seem toned down.

Takes a little energy out of the debate.

 

[rikules]

you read too much rightwingnut garbage. it's rotting your brain. *shakes head*

progressives fought the british and helped to create the good ole USA
progressives are the ones who helped free the slave
progressives helped bring (relative equality) for blacks
progressives fought for womens' suffrage
progressives helped get women into the armed forces and out of the kitchen
progressives helped gays come out of the closet and into our communities
progressives help get rid of illogical and repressive religious laws


historically speaking progressives are beating the pants off of conservatives

it's as bad as last nights pats/jets score

progressives 45, conservatives 3

 

[Ravi]

"...you have found a few passing comments by Obama and several by other people..."
Glad you found that 'lying' and 'stupid' were out of place.

"I can assume ..."

Now, Ravi, surely you know what they say about assuming?

“When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.”
~ Oscar Wilde on Assumption

Rather than assume, wouldn't the scholarly technique be to read the book and see if you could find said errors?

Don't be afraid.

When you've already posted one glaring lie from the book there is no need to read the book.

You have yet to uncover any 'glaring lies.'

No, your posts indicate, to me, the fear that one's worldview is built on a base of sand, and it is slowly sifting away...

I blame President Obama for that...you were so happy with his election, and so sure that he had the right stuff...

Your posts were so self-assured back then, challenging, and abrasive...
It was fun answering them.

Now there seem to be fewer such voices on the board, and the ones remaining seem toned down.

Takes a little energy out of the debate.

Sure I have. He claimed someone was Obama's mentor and the someone was not.

As for Obama, I was happy he won because Palin is a toad...and that is the one and only reason I voted for him.

 

[logical4u]

The far left are NOT interested in history or facts. If they are presented with either, they yell their mantra louder. They never learned that wisdom and intelligence are two, very different things. Thanks for the post.

 

[Kaleokualoha]

Analysis of Kengor’s “Dupes” suggests that Kengor is still falsifying evidence against Davis, afterr LYING about Davis's involvement in the 1949 Honolulu NAACP incident. Now it seems that contrary to Davis’s actual 1950 “Frank-ly Speaking” column ("Free Enterprise or Socialism" at hawaii.edu/uhwo/clear/HonoluluRecord1/frankblog1950.html), Kengor indicates that Davis SUPPORTED socialism, when in fact Davis REJECTED socialism (i.e., letting “the government own and operate our major industries&#8221. Davis said socialism was a “HORROR”!

Davis said that we didn’t have free enterprise any more. Davis supported small businessmen, which he considered a “casualty” of monopolies. He said they are the BACKBONE of free enterprise.” He said we had to decide to OUST the monopolies, which were driving us down the road to ruin, and restore a competing system of free enterprise. In the ACTUAL”Free Enterprise or Socialism” column from which Kengor stacks his evidence, Davis wrote:

“As for free enterprise, it doesn’t live here any more. At the same time we have manufactured a national horror of socialism. Meanwhile, the dictatorship of the monopolies is driving us down the road to ruin. And so, with still rising unemployment and a mounting depression, the time draws nearer when we will have to decide to oust the monopolies and restore a competing system of free enterprise, or let the government own and operate our major industries.”

“Backbone of Free Enterprise Broken: In this control by monopoly, the small businessman, the backbone of free enterprise, has been a casualty. He cannot compete against the tremendous financial reserves of the huge monopolies, and thus we find more and more forced into bankruptcy or absorbed by the monopolies. Those small businessmen who supported the Marshall Plan have been unable to get but a pittance of orders, for here it’s the Big Boys Who, through their contacts with official Washington, walk off with the fat contracts.”

I encourage everyone to compare the original source material with Kengor’s misrepresentation of that same source, both in this case and in his misrepresentation of the 1949 Honolulu NAACP incident. (Kengor falsely claimed that the NAACP's Roy Wilkins criticized Davis, when in reality it was a rookie Honolulu NAACP board member who criticized Davis.)

BTW: I'm glad that PoliticalChic likes historical references, because I have documented my analysis of the disinformation campaign against the Obama-Davis relationship. Paul Kengor and AIM's Cliff Kincaid are only the tip of the iceberg.

“Truth is generally the best vindication against slander.”
– Abraham Lincoln

 

[PoliticalChic]

Analysis of Kengor’s “Dupes” suggests that Kengor is still falsifying evidence against Davis, afterr LYING about Davis's involvement in the 1949 Honolulu NAACP incident. Now it seems that contrary to Davis’s actual 1950 “Frank-ly Speaking” column ("Free Enterprise or Socialism" at hawaii.edu/uhwo/clear/HonoluluRecord1/frankblog1950.html), Kengor indicates that Davis SUPPORTED socialism, when in fact Davis REJECTED socialism (i.e., letting “the government own and operate our major industries”). Davis said socialism was a “HORROR”!

Davis said that we didn’t have free enterprise any more. Davis supported small businessmen, which he considered a “casualty” of monopolies. He said they are the BACKBONE of free enterprise.” He said we had to decide to OUST the monopolies, which were driving us down the road to ruin, and restore a competing system of free enterprise. In the ACTUAL”Free Enterprise or Socialism” column from which Kengor stacks his evidence, Davis wrote:

“As for free enterprise, it doesn’t live here any more. At the same time we have manufactured a national horror of socialism. Meanwhile, the dictatorship of the monopolies is driving us down the road to ruin. And so, with still rising unemployment and a mounting depression, the time draws nearer when we will have to decide to oust the monopolies and restore a competing system of free enterprise, or let the government own and operate our major industries.”

“Backbone of Free Enterprise Broken: In this control by monopoly, the small businessman, the backbone of free enterprise, has been a casualty. He cannot compete against the tremendous financial reserves of the huge monopolies, and thus we find more and more forced into bankruptcy or absorbed by the monopolies. Those small businessmen who supported the Marshall Plan have been unable to get but a pittance of orders, for here it’s the Big Boys Who, through their contacts with official Washington, walk off with the fat contracts.”

I encourage everyone to compare the original source material with Kengor’s misrepresentation of that same source, both in this case and in his misrepresentation of the 1949 Honolulu NAACP incident. (Kengor falsely claimed that the NAACP's Roy Wilkins criticized Davis, when in reality it was a rookie Honolulu NAACP board member who criticized Davis.)

BTW: I'm glad that PoliticalChic likes historical references, because I have documented my analysis of the disinformation campaign against the Obama-Davis relationship. Paul Kengor and AIM's Cliff Kincaid are only the tip of the iceberg.

“Truth is generally the best vindication against slander.”
– Abraham Lincoln

Now this is the kind of post that all who disagree should be able to organize!

Bravo...rep on the way.

BTW, your link doesn't seem to work.

Also, the proponderance of information that I have seen runs counter to the import of yours..

For example:

"Frank Marshall Davis (1905-1987) was a black poet and writer (he wrote for the Honolulu Record, a Communist newspaper), and a known member of the Soviet-controlled Communist Party USA (CPUSA). Accuracy in Media editor Cliff Kincaid has done important investigative work detailing Davis' Communist ties.

Davis' good friend Paul Robeson, who himself was a dedicated Stalinist, persuaded him in 1948 to move to Honoloulu, Hawaii. In 1950 Edward Berman, a member of the NAACP's Honolulu branch, testified to the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) that Davis had "sneaked" into local NAACP meetings to "propagandize" the organization's members about America's "racial problems," with "the avowed intent and purpose of converting it into a front for the Stalinist line."

Davis was identified unequivocally as a CPUSA member in a 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii (CSALTH), which, along with HUAC, also charged that Davis was affiliated with a number of communist-front organizations. According to Max Friedman, a former undercover member of several Communist-controlled "anti-war" groups, Davis testified in 1956 before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee and took the Fifth Amendment when asked about his Communist Party membership.In the 1970s Davis met a teenage Barack Obama and his family, who also lived in Hawaii. Davis soon became the young man's mentor and advisor.

In his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, Obama writes about Davis but does not reveal the latter's full name, identifying him only as "a poet named Frank" -- a man with much "hard-earned knowledge" who had known "some modest notoriety once" and was "a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago," but was now "pushing eighty." (Several sources -- including Professor Gerald Horne, Dr. Kathryn Takara, and libertarian writer Trevor Loudon -- have confirmed that Obama's "Frank" was indeed Frank Marshall Davis.)

Obama in his book recounts how, just prior to heading off to Occidental College in 1979, he spent some time with "Frank and his old Black Power dashiki self." Says Obama, "Frank" told him that college was merely "an advanced degree in compromise," and cautioned him not to "start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that sh--."

Davis also told Obama, "What I'm trying to tell you is you [white] grandma's right to be scared.... She understands that black people have a reason to hate. That's just how it is. For your sake, I wish it were otherwise. But it's not. So you might as well get used to it."

Davis penned many poems during his lifetime. One of them, titled "To the Red Army," hailed the Soviet revolution and condemned the "rich industrialists" in Washington DC and London who allegedly wanted Hitler and the Nazis to "wipe Communism from the globe."

Davis also wrote poems deriding traditional Christianity. In some of these compositions, Davis called Christ "a Dixie ******" who was nothing more than "another New White Hope"; he derided Christians as hypocrites "who buy righteousness like groceries"; and he spoke of Africans being killed with a "Christian gun" by missionaries following "the religion of Sweet Jesus," rather than by a spear."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2323
(emphasis mine)

I, also, encourage all to do their own research as to the alleged "disinformation campaign against the Obama-Davis relationship," and believe that they will come away believing that there is no such campaign, rather ther is even more about the relationship that I chose not to go into.

Hope to see more of your work.

 

[PoliticalChic]

you read too much rightwingnut garbage. it's rotting your brain. *shakes head*

progressives fought the british and helped to create the good ole USA
progressives are the ones who helped free the slave
progressives helped bring (relative equality) for blacks
progressives fought for womens' suffrage
progressives helped get women into the armed forces and out of the kitchen
progressives helped gays come out of the closet and into our communities
progressives help get rid of illogical and repressive religious laws


historically speaking progressives are beating the pants off of conservatives

it's as bad as last nights pats/jets score

progressives 45, conservatives 3

Rik-o, you're such a nice guy...

pity no knowledge goes with that character trait.