Hitler and the right

[JakeStarkey]

Progressivism has conservative and liberal wings. You are a conservative progressive, daveyboy, a statist who wants big government to model society in the way you wish it to go. Whether you are a fascist or not depends if you still believe in the roots of the Republic and the function of majority voting while respecting minority rights.

Remember, anyone who exposes the common roots of progressivism and fascism is anti-American, according to Fakey.

 

[Bfgrn]

Altmeyer's full of shit. For proof, see Castro. Stalin. Lenin. Marx. Mao. Pol Pot.

All authoritarian. All on the left. This is undeniable.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

Your parochial indoctrination is the root cause of your ignorance.

Would a conservative in Russia want to conserve the US Constitution? Capitalism? The tenets and orthodoxy of American culture?

Oh, that's right -- you're one of those "special" people who believes everything horrible comes from the right, and the ultimate leftist utopia is a unicorn in every meadow.

Projecting again? YOU are one of those "special" people who believes everything horrible comes from the left, and the ultimate rightist utopia is a unicorn in every meadow.

It is not my fault all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives. It is just a FACT of life.

 

[Bfgrn]

"Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

Anyone who spends time trying to prove Hitler was a Christian has severe psychological problems and needs therapy. Such stupidity isn't even worth responding to by normal people

Well Jroc, it seem Hitler spent the time and effort to prove he was a Christian. Those are HIS words, not mine. Are you THAT fucking obtuse? As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest.


Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

(Selected quotes from Mein Kampf)

People often make the claim that Adolph Hitler adhered to Atheism, Humanism or some ancient Nordic pagan mythology. None of these fanciful and wrong ideas hold. Although one of Hitler's henchmen, Alfred Rosenberg, did undertake a campaign of Nordic mythological propaganda, Hitler and most of his henchmen did not believe in it .

Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

 

[daveman]

Your parochial indoctrination is the root cause of your ignorance.

Would a conservative in Russia want to conserve the US Constitution? Capitalism? The tenets and orthodoxy of American culture?

Oh, that's right -- you're one of those "special" people who believes everything horrible comes from the right, and the ultimate leftist utopia is a unicorn in every meadow.

Projecting again? YOU are one of those "special" people who believes everything horrible comes from the left, and the ultimate rightist utopia is a unicorn in every meadow.

Not only are you profoundly ignorant of history, you're incapable of originality, too.

It is not my fault all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives. It is just a FACT of life.

Anyone who believes Castro, Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Mao, and Pol Pot are on the right is too stupid to breath on his own.

Or are you saying they're not highly authoritarian?

Either way, you're astoundingly wrong.

 

[Bfgrn]

Oh, that's right -- you're one of those "special" people who believes everything horrible comes from the right, and the ultimate leftist utopia is a unicorn in every meadow.

Projecting again? YOU are one of those "special" people who believes everything horrible comes from the left, and the ultimate rightist utopia is a unicorn in every meadow.

Not only are you profoundly ignorant of history, you're incapable of originality, too.

It is not my fault all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives. It is just a FACT of life.

Anyone who believes Castro, Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Mao, and Pol Pot are on the right is too stupid to breath on his own.

Or are you saying they're not highly authoritarian?

Either way, you're astoundingly wrong.

You are still stuck in left/right. Do you understand that conservatism is based on the country, tenets and orthodoxy you were raised to believe, and conserve?

WHY would a man like Stalin want to conserve the US Constitution, capitalism or American tenets and orthodoxy?

When Mikhail S. Gorbachev tried to liberalize the Soviet society in the late 1980's and implement democratic elections, Russian conservatives, an alliance including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearned for what they saw as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church rebelled.

At election rallies Russian conservatives called out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decried ''liberal yellow journalists.''

Russian conservatives regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

Russian conservatives called THEMSELVES...Stalinists.

Here is what Mao Zedong said about liberalism.

"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads.
Combat Liberalism

 

[Jroc]

fanaticism

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, Jroc, is stuck in fanaticism. His is a ding-bat neo-conservatism that goal of which is to project American military and economic imperialism across the globe.

Jroc is an imperialist, fair and square.

I wish he would be honest enough to admit it.

fanaticism

 

[koshergrl]

Tyrants in modern times rise to power on the back of progressivism, because progressivism doesn't mind removing the rights of people and killing off the vulnerable. And that is where it starts.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It is not Progressivism that is the fault. And kg misuse the term. She is a statist, right wing conservative progressive quite willing to use big government to outlaw all abortion. Can't do that with small government, because small governments will disagree with each other.

Note: And tyrants love to rise on the backs of the people as authoritarians that delegate small-government control to small-time tyrants.

 

[koshergrl]

Listen carefully. All modern day tyrants came to power on the backs of progressives.

Because progressives don't mind killing vulnerable people.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's not true (you don't support it with examples, I note), and you won't deny that you want to use big government to outlaw abortion. That makes you a Conservative big government statist Progressive.

You certainly are an example of your kind of Progressive tyrant.

 

[koshergrl]

"
Codevilla correctly identifies the source of legitimacy for the ruling class: Darwinism. Darwinism removed God from the vocabulary of self-accredited academia. Once liberated from the doctrine of original sin, the Progressives regarded as illegitimate the Constitutional limits placed on the Federal government.
Note well the direction of Progress: Deny original sin, deny limited government. There is a corollary: Humanism, Tyranny.
Deny original sin, deny the need for divine regeneration and renewal. Yet mankind is “moving in the wrong direction,” according to the Progressive creed. It still needs a “savior.” Say whatever you want about God—Wilson was a Prebysterian, Ph.D.—salvation, that is, “improving,” must come in the form of the enlightened forcing the unenlightened to live, act, eat, work, buy, socialize, educate, reproduce, exercise, breathe, and think rightly. Don’t call it tyranny, call it Progress."


Progressive Tyranny | American Vision

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thus, you, AllieBaba, are a Progressive because you want to use big government to control the masses on the issue of abortion.

 

[koshergrl]

"Just as progressives were generally enthusiastic about socialist movements in the Soviet Union and Europe, they were also overwhelmingly supportive of the fascist movements in Italy and Germany during the 1920s and 1930s. “In many respects,” writes journalist Jonah Goldberg, “the founding fathers of modern liberalism, the men and women who laid the intellectual groundwork of the New Deal and the welfare state, thought that fascism sounded like ... a worthwhile 'experiment'”:

Progressive Support for Italian and German Fascism - Discover the Networks

 

[koshergrl]

Thus, you, AllieBaba, are a Progressive because you want to use big government to control the masses on the issue of abortion.

Yeah, cuz it's fascist to prevent the abuse and death of women and children, idiot.

Using your idiotic logic, those who fought to eliminate slavery were fascists as well.

Brain dead nutcase.

 

[koshergrl]

"H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”

Progressive Support for Italian and German Fascism - Discover the Networks

 

[Bfgrn]

"
Codevilla correctly identifies the source of legitimacy for the ruling class: Darwinism. Darwinism removed God from the vocabulary of self-accredited academia. Once liberated from the doctrine of original sin, the Progressives regarded as illegitimate the Constitutional limits placed on the Federal government.
Note well the direction of Progress: Deny original sin, deny limited government. There is a corollary: Humanism, Tyranny.
Deny original sin, deny the need for divine regeneration and renewal. Yet mankind is “moving in the wrong direction,” according to the Progressive creed. It still needs a “savior.” Say whatever you want about God—Wilson was a Prebysterian, Ph.D.—salvation, that is, “improving,” must come in the form of the enlightened forcing the unenlightened to live, act, eat, work, buy, socialize, educate, reproduce, exercise, breathe, and think rightly. Don’t call it tyranny, call it Progress."


Progressive Tyranny*|*American Vision

Hey koshergrl, WHO is espousing the Darwinist rhetoric of survival of the richest? Who is calling the working class 'parasites', 'takers' and 'moochers'?

Republican economics IS social Darwinism.

 

[koshergrl]

Why don't you dispute the facts instead of just trolling, loon?

 

[koshergrl]

I see you've dropped the pretense of being moderate, or (*cough*) republican.

What a piece of lying progressive shit you are. Anything for the cause, huh? Convinced any girls to get up in the stirrups for their state-approved abortion yet? Convinced any old folk that their lives just aren't worth living and they should do the world a favor?

Well the day is young.

 

[Artevelde]

Oh, and Jroc, of course.

Sorry, I forgot you, Jroc. I won't in the future. You hide behind patriotism the way Hitler hid behind Christianity.

Adolph sounds like some of the far right extremists on the board here, such as Artevelde, for instance.

Hitler hiding behind Christianity. What a joke!