Hitler and the right

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians


In the February 29, 1929 edition of the Völkischer Beobachter (official newspaper of the Nazi Party), Adolf Hitler published an article on the new Lateran Treaty between Mussolini's fascist government and the Vatican. According to Hitler, this treaty should demonstrate to the world that not only are fascism and Christianity not polar opposites, but that they are in fact close kin which should be working together:

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"The fact that the Curia is now making its peace with Fascism shows that the Vatican trusts the new political realities far more than did the former liberal democracy with which it could not come to terms.

...The fact that the Catholic Church has come to an agreement with Fascist Italy ...proves beyond doubt that the Fascist world of ideas is closer to Christianity than those of Jewish liberalism or even atheistic Marxism, to which the so-called Catholic Center Party sees itself so closely bound, to the detriment of Christianity today and our German people."


Note Hitler's use of the phrase "Jewish liberalism." An important aspect of modern political anti-Semitism was the ability to associate Jews with everything conservative Christians disliked about modernity: emancipation (of women, Jews, gays, and other minorities), the loss of Christian privileges, legalized contraception and abortion, easier divorces, sexual liberty, socialist economic policies, expanding capitalism, etc. Conservative Christianity has never come entirely to terms with the Enlightenment and modern political liberalism.

I guess you also feel Hitler was a misunderstood pacifist, since it's easy to find many quotes in which he pleads for peace.

No, I don't 'feel' Hitler was a misunderstood pacifist. Not when you understand the history of Europe leading up to fascism.

Traditional conservatives have persistently criticized modern liberalism for its alleged “softness.” After the First World War right-wing German and Italian critics abused the governments of Weimar Germany and pre-Mussolini Italy for their commitment to social welfare, which their critics linked to an unwillingness to use force in international relations. To use Robert Kagan’s expression, the Weimar Republic could only do the dishes, not prepare the feast.

German and Italian critics of liberalism—writers such as Ernst Jünger and Giovanni Gentile—longed for the military spirit that allegedly typified the “front-fighter” generation that had lived through the horrors of trench warfare during World War I. The experience of war, they said, could redeem the anti-national Weimar Republic and the spineless decadence of Italian liberalism by reintroducing them to the necessity of using force—which would mean a much more ready resort to military power and a reorientation of government to promote its use. Both men and nations could thereby reestablish their virility.

Extreme right-wing theoreticians—for example, German jurist and political philosopher Carl Schmitt—believed that the European states in general had to choose between defending the interests of their national communities—at the end of the day by force—and sustaining a debilitating commitment to popular welfare, which more and more absorbed the energies of a weak-kneed liberalism that precariously clung to power in many European states. Schmitt believed that the state existed exclusively to oppose the enemies of the national community and ensure domestic order. Politics, he famously said, is founded on the friend-enemy polarity. Liberals had embarked on a fruitless crusade to escape inevitable political conflict within their societies by expanding the welfare function of the modern state to appease the demands of the masses, and thereby weakening its “executive function.”

The proximate causes of this revulsion against liberalism in Italy, Germany, and elsewhere are not far to seek. And the underlying anti-liberal logic was more cultural than political-economic. After defeat in World War I neither Germany nor Italy was able to advance its interests effectively in Europe. The Italians were widely regarded as pathetic soldiers. “The Italians,” Bismarck said, “have such large appetites and such poor teeth.” Giovanni Gentile, subsequently a Fascist minister for Mussolini, lamented the dolce far niente (“sweet do nothing”) that he found characterized the Italians as a nation. As for the Germans, they had of course lost the war, but they were encouraged to believe that their armies and fighting men had not been defeated on the battlefield but had been betrayed by an unpatriotic cabal of Jews, Francophiles, liberals, and socialists.

So for these men and like-minded others, there was a necessary connection between reviving militarism and imperialism and curtailing the state’s commitment to popular welfare. Only a new political elite—battle-hardened, ruthless, and devoted to authoritarian government—could achieve the reforms needed to restore these states to the ranks of the European powerful. The new governments would not be parliamentary: talk shops never get anything done. In Italy the Fascist elite developed an imperial ideology focusing on Rome; in Germany, too, there was an imperial element—the “Thousand Year Empire”—although we correctly understand the racism of the National Socialists to have been their most memorable contribution to the horrors of the 20th century.
The Hard Road to Fascism
 
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Altmeyer's full of shit. For proof, see Castro. Stalin. Lenin. Marx. Mao. Pol Pot.

All authoritarian. All on the left. This is undeniable.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.
 
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Altmeyer's full of shit. For proof, see Castro. Stalin. Lenin. Marx. Mao. Pol Pot.

All authoritarian. All on the left. This is undeniable.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

Your parochial indoctrination is the root cause of your ignorance.

Would a conservative in Russia want to conserve the US Constitution? Capitalism? The tenets and orthodoxy of American culture?
 
The American common sense thinking people, certainly not you.

You aren't qualified to make decisions for others, obviously.

If people like Sunni really believe what he wrote, regardless of the forgery, then such people should be disenfranchised and working for those who can think clearly. We can't have people like Sunni making history, only working for those who can make history.
Who is "We" you nitwit?? :cuckoo:
 
The American common sense thinking people, certainly not you.

You aren't qualified to make decisions for others, obviously.

If people like Sunni really believe what he wrote, regardless of the forgery, then such people should be disenfranchised and working for those who can think clearly. We can't have people like Sunni making history, only working for those who can make history.
Who is "We" you nitwit?? :cuckoo:

You don't speak for the American people, the interests of the American people, or represent common sense, you extremist weirdo troll.
 
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Altmeyer's full of shit. For proof, see Castro. Stalin. Lenin. Marx. Mao. Pol Pot.

All authoritarian. All on the left. This is undeniable.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

Your parochial indoctrination is the root cause of your ignorance.

Would a conservative in Russia want to conserve the US Constitution? Capitalism? The tenets and orthodoxy of American culture?
Oh, that's right -- you're one of those "special" people who believes everything horrible comes from the right, and the ultimate leftist utopia is a unicorn in every meadow.
 
Artevelde is a troll, and so are you if you are defending him.

Adolph sounds like some of the far right extremists on the board here, such as Artevelde, for instance.

Troll.
Didn't I see you on another thread decrying comparisons of Obama and Hitler?

But it's okay when you compare message board posters to Hitler?

Good Gaea, I'll be glad when middle school starts again and you're doing homework all evening.
 
Adolph sounds like some of the far right extremists on the board here, such as Artevelde, for instance.

Troll.

Indeed, concerned troll as well
One who poorly attempts to use edits to
lie


The following quotes are interesting and sure to get the "hackles" of the left up



A. "...above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual... By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men."

B. "The [] people must march forward as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline."

C. "...moral law, binding together individual and the generations into a tradition and a mission, suppressing the instinct for a life enclosed within the brief round of pleasure in order to restore within duty a higher life free from the limits of time and space."


The choices are Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Who said which?

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Here boy
 
"Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

Anyone who spends time trying to prove Hitler was a Christian has severe psychological problems and needs therapy. Such stupidity isn't even worth responding to by normal people
 
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Oh, and Jroc, of course.

Sorry, I forgot you, Jroc. I won't in the future. You hide behind patriotism the way Hitler hid behind Christianity.

Adolph sounds like some of the far right extremists on the board here, such as Artevelde, for instance.
 
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Sigh. You sound like a teenager. Grow up if you want to talk to the adults.
 
Oh, and Jroc, of course.

Sorry, I forgot you, Jroc. I won't in the future. You hide behind patriotism the way Hitler hid behind Christianity.

Adolph sounds like some of the far right extremists on the board here, such as Artevelde, for instance.

You hide behind the GOP while your'e a clueless little boy living in your parents basement fraud

Don't forget hiding behind edit posts to create fake impressions

little boy...?
Most of us think based on the "quality" of their posts,
he is actually Meghan Mccain
:lol:
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Here boy (post time 6:41pm)
 
Oh, and Jroc, of course.

Sorry, I forgot you, Jroc. I won't in the future. You hide behind patriotism the way Hitler hid behind Christianity.

You hide behind the GOP while your'e a clueless little boy living in your parents basement fraud

Don't forget hiding behind edit posts to create fake impressions

little boy...?
Most of us think based on the "quality" of their posts,
he is actually Meghan Mccain
:lol:
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:eusa_whistle:
Here boy (post time 6:41pm)

We all know Jake is a fraud most liberals love him though:eusa_whistle:
 
You hide behind the GOP while your'e a clueless little boy living in your parents basement fraud

Don't forget hiding behind edit posts to create fake impressions

little boy...?
Most of us think based on the "quality" of their posts,
he is actually Meghan Mccain
:lol:
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:eusa_whistle:
Here boy (post time 6:41pm)

We all know Jake is a fraud most liberals love him though:eusa_whistle:

Indeed, some of the most extreme leftists thank his posts all the time, as well.

It is sad; it is exactly their kind of extreme Leftist ideas that drove voters to The Republicans and to kick out the radical Democrats in congress.
How soon the Left forgets

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Here boy
 
The neo-cons like Jroc and the far right extremists like NeoTrotsky are finished with this election.

Romney will take their votes and then turn them out into the alley.

Responsible regulation and use of soft power in foreign affairs (a la Obama), and like his predecessor, willing to hurt Iran if necessary.

If the neo-cons had not corrupted the process in 2000 and McCain had been elected, the USA would be much better off today.

With President Romney, it is not too late to save America from the extreme right and the extreme left.

Now we will see what my little trolls have to say.

Come on, boys. :eusa_whistle: Come here, now.
 
Adolph sounds like some of the far right extremists on the board here, such as Artevelde, for instance.

Troll.

Indeed, concerned troll as well
One who poorly attempts to use edits to
lie


The following quotes are interesting and sure to get the "hackles" of the left up



A. "...above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual... By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men."

B. "The [] people must march forward as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline."

C. "...moral law, binding together individual and the generations into a tradition and a mission, suppressing the instinct for a life enclosed within the brief round of pleasure in order to restore within duty a higher life free from the limits of time and space."


The choices are Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Who said which?

post time 5:19pm
---------------------------


:eusa_whistle:
Here boy
Remember, anyone who exposes the common roots of progressivism and fascism is anti-American, according to Fakey. :cool:
 

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