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How many rapes go unreported.....how many other crimes go unreported because they don't think the police can do anything.....playing with numbers is fun but since you aren't an actual researcher you don't know the real numbers.......and the FBI stats, and the NCVS stats all depend on people and law enforcement agencies actually sending in reports and then updating reports that change the stats....so you will never get the real number....
and yes...stopping a violent crime or preventing one.....means it many times it was not completed...thus not reported....
None of that changes anything. Your numbers are still ridiculous. 1.1 million violent crimes committed each year, yet you claim 1.6 million are defended. Defended by a minority of the population. Only 11 million carry. The only argument you could make would be that owning a gun attracts crime so gun owners defend far more crimes than are reported. Oh and most defenders are involved in criminal activity so can't report the defenses. Is that the argument you want to make?
No brain...again...if you stop a crime with a gun you don't necessarily report it, second, a lot of other crime goes unreported...rapes and minor robberies in particular.....playing with the numbers to try to save face is cute....but a waste of time.....you don't have the real number for crime in the country so you don't know....and you still haven't posted a link as to where your number comes from anyway.....
I have posted it several times. Obviously you know your numbers are ridiculous cause you have no real defense. You just cling to the imaginary defense numbers regardless of how obviously wrong they are. There is no way a minority of the population is defending far more violent crimes than are reported. Sorry.
You have posted nonsense several times.....my defense is over 16 different, actual studies on the defensive use of guns to stop violent criminal attack, done over 40 years by both private and public experts in the field of research.......yours....you don't like the numbers so they aren't real.....
Yeah....who is really more delusional.........
There are about 1.1 million violent crimes committed each year. You claim 1.6 million are defended by a minority of the population. It's clear who is delusional.
So....rightwinger....people break into your home....and you want to give them the absolute power to determine your fate from that point forward....you trust these people who just broke through your door to administer "just enough" of a beating...and no more than that....to not decide "hey, let's not leave any witnesses".....or "hey, let's rape the old woman in front of her husband"........you want that power to be in the sole hands of the people who just broke into your home....
I would rather that old couple have the choice to choose the other way....shooting them out of their F*****g socks for breaking into their home.......
We just have a different tolerance point for uncivilized behavior.......
Other than your romantic visions about shooting badguys, you have no way of knowing what the result would have been if more guns were added to the equation
In general, more guns= more shooting and more shooting= more deaths
Actually that isn't true....I would love to see an impartial link to that belief.....because as has been shown and as you have reported and brain has reported......with more Americans owning and actually carrying guns for protection....the crime rate has gone down...that means the gun violence rate is going down...therefore you are wrong again...more guns do not mean more shooting and more deaths....since the gun murder rate has been going down as has the accidental gun death rate...
Again, you are just wrong......
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
So....rightwinger....people break into your home....and you want to give them the absolute power to determine your fate from that point forward....you trust these people who just broke through your door to administer "just enough" of a beating...and no more than that....to not decide "hey, let's not leave any witnesses".....or "hey, let's rape the old woman in front of her husband"........you want that power to be in the sole hands of the people who just broke into your home....
I would rather that old couple have the choice to choose the other way....shooting them out of their F*****g socks for breaking into their home.......
We just have a different tolerance point for uncivilized behavior.......
Other than your romantic visions about shooting badguys, you have no way of knowing what the result would have been if more guns were added to the equation
In general, more guns= more shooting and more shooting= more deaths
Actually that isn't true....I would love to see an impartial link to that belief.....because as has been shown and as you have reported and brain has reported......with more Americans owning and actually carrying guns for protection....the crime rate has gone down...that means the gun violence rate is going down...therefore you are wrong again...more guns do not mean more shooting and more deaths....since the gun murder rate has been going down as has the accidental gun death rate...
Again, you are just wrong......
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
So....rightwinger....people break into your home....and you want to give them the absolute power to determine your fate from that point forward....you trust these people who just broke through your door to administer "just enough" of a beating...and no more than that....to not decide "hey, let's not leave any witnesses".....or "hey, let's rape the old woman in front of her husband"........you want that power to be in the sole hands of the people who just broke into your home....
I would rather that old couple have the choice to choose the other way....shooting them out of their F*****g socks for breaking into their home.......
We just have a different tolerance point for uncivilized behavior.......
Other than your romantic visions about shooting badguys, you have no way of knowing what the result would have been if more guns were added to the equation
In general, more guns= more shooting and more shooting= more deaths
Actually that isn't true....I would love to see an impartial link to that belief.....because as has been shown and as you have reported and brain has reported......with more Americans owning and actually carrying guns for protection....the crime rate has gone down...that means the gun violence rate is going down...therefore you are wrong again...more guns do not mean more shooting and more deaths....since the gun murder rate has been going down as has the accidental gun death rate...
Again, you are just wrong......
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
Wouldn't work for me. I own 5 of them. I even open carry a 9MM on my motorcycle when I ride into the desert. However, I have never felt compelled to answer my front door carrying a gun...even when I lived in New Orleans.
None of that changes anything. Your numbers are still ridiculous. 1.1 million violent crimes committed each year, yet you claim 1.6 million are defended. Defended by a minority of the population. Only 11 million carry. The only argument you could make would be that owning a gun attracts crime so gun owners defend far more crimes than are reported. Oh and most defenders are involved in criminal activity so can't report the defenses. Is that the argument you want to make?
No brain...again...if you stop a crime with a gun you don't necessarily report it, second, a lot of other crime goes unreported...rapes and minor robberies in particular.....playing with the numbers to try to save face is cute....but a waste of time.....you don't have the real number for crime in the country so you don't know....and you still haven't posted a link as to where your number comes from anyway.....
I have posted it several times. Obviously you know your numbers are ridiculous cause you have no real defense. You just cling to the imaginary defense numbers regardless of how obviously wrong they are. There is no way a minority of the population is defending far more violent crimes than are reported. Sorry.
You have posted nonsense several times.....my defense is over 16 different, actual studies on the defensive use of guns to stop violent criminal attack, done over 40 years by both private and public experts in the field of research.......yours....you don't like the numbers so they aren't real.....
Yeah....who is really more delusional.........
There are about 1.1 million violent crimes committed each year. You claim 1.6 million are defended by a minority of the population. It's clear who is delusional.
You have to appreciate that many of these "defenses" are mere fantasy by the gun owner
Millions of confrontations are diffused without guns and nobody ends up dead
Other than your romantic visions about shooting badguys, you have no way of knowing what the result would have been if more guns were added to the equation
In general, more guns= more shooting and more shooting= more deaths
Actually that isn't true....I would love to see an impartial link to that belief.....because as has been shown and as you have reported and brain has reported......with more Americans owning and actually carrying guns for protection....the crime rate has gone down...that means the gun violence rate is going down...therefore you are wrong again...more guns do not mean more shooting and more deaths....since the gun murder rate has been going down as has the accidental gun death rate...
Again, you are just wrong......
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
Wouldn't work for me. I own 5 of them. I even open carry a 9MM on my motorcycle when I ride into the desert. However, I have never felt compelled to answer my front door carrying a gun...even when I lived in New Orleans.
That would depend on who's at my front door. If they look sketchy I'll damn sure come to the door armed. Which is the reason I was able to foil a home invasion attempt.
Since moving into a gated community I havent found it necessary though.
So....rightwinger....people break into your home....and you want to give them the absolute power to determine your fate from that point forward....you trust these people who just broke through your door to administer "just enough" of a beating...and no more than that....to not decide "hey, let's not leave any witnesses".....or "hey, let's rape the old woman in front of her husband"........you want that power to be in the sole hands of the people who just broke into your home....
I would rather that old couple have the choice to choose the other way....shooting them out of their F*****g socks for breaking into their home.......
We just have a different tolerance point for uncivilized behavior.......
Other than your romantic visions about shooting badguys, you have no way of knowing what the result would have been if more guns were added to the equation
In general, more guns= more shooting and more shooting= more deaths
Actually that isn't true....I would love to see an impartial link to that belief.....because as has been shown and as you have reported and brain has reported......with more Americans owning and actually carrying guns for protection....the crime rate has gone down...that means the gun violence rate is going down...therefore you are wrong again...more guns do not mean more shooting and more deaths....since the gun murder rate has been going down as has the accidental gun death rate...
Again, you are just wrong......
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
Actually that isn't true....I would love to see an impartial link to that belief.....because as has been shown and as you have reported and brain has reported......with more Americans owning and actually carrying guns for protection....the crime rate has gone down...that means the gun violence rate is going down...therefore you are wrong again...more guns do not mean more shooting and more deaths....since the gun murder rate has been going down as has the accidental gun death rate...
Again, you are just wrong......
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
Wouldn't work for me. I own 5 of them. I even open carry a 9MM on my motorcycle when I ride into the desert. However, I have never felt compelled to answer my front door carrying a gun...even when I lived in New Orleans.
That would depend on who's at my front door. If they look sketchy I'll damn sure come to the door armed. Which is the reason I was able to foil a home invasion attempt.
Since moving into a gated community I havent found it necessary though.
Gated community? Nice.
No brain...again...if you stop a crime with a gun you don't necessarily report it, second, a lot of other crime goes unreported...rapes and minor robberies in particular.....playing with the numbers to try to save face is cute....but a waste of time.....you don't have the real number for crime in the country so you don't know....and you still haven't posted a link as to where your number comes from anyway.....
I have posted it several times. Obviously you know your numbers are ridiculous cause you have no real defense. You just cling to the imaginary defense numbers regardless of how obviously wrong they are. There is no way a minority of the population is defending far more violent crimes than are reported. Sorry.
You have posted nonsense several times.....my defense is over 16 different, actual studies on the defensive use of guns to stop violent criminal attack, done over 40 years by both private and public experts in the field of research.......yours....you don't like the numbers so they aren't real.....
Yeah....who is really more delusional.........
There are about 1.1 million violent crimes committed each year. You claim 1.6 million are defended by a minority of the population. It's clear who is delusional.
You have to appreciate that many of these "defenses" are mere fantasy by the gun owner
Millions of confrontations are diffused without guns and nobody ends up dead
Obviously some people lie to pollsters. You cannot just assume that numbers you don't like are caused by that.
The fact that many confrontations are defused without guns and no one ending up dead, does not in any way take away from the many confrontations that are defused with guns and with no one ending up dead.
So....rightwinger....people break into your home....and you want to give them the absolute power to determine your fate from that point forward....you trust these people who just broke through your door to administer "just enough" of a beating...and no more than that....to not decide "hey, let's not leave any witnesses".....or "hey, let's rape the old woman in front of her husband"........you want that power to be in the sole hands of the people who just broke into your home....
I would rather that old couple have the choice to choose the other way....shooting them out of their F*****g socks for breaking into their home.......
We just have a different tolerance point for uncivilized behavior.......
Other than your romantic visions about shooting badguys, you have no way of knowing what the result would have been if more guns were added to the equation
In general, more guns= more shooting and more shooting= more deaths
Actually that isn't true....I would love to see an impartial link to that belief.....because as has been shown and as you have reported and brain has reported......with more Americans owning and actually carrying guns for protection....the crime rate has gone down...that means the gun violence rate is going down...therefore you are wrong again...more guns do not mean more shooting and more deaths....since the gun murder rate has been going down as has the accidental gun death rate...
Again, you are just wrong......
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
I don't have a problem
Why don't you put up a sign "Guns kept on the premises" so that robbers know where the desirable property to steal is
Other than your romantic visions about shooting badguys, you have no way of knowing what the result would have been if more guns were added to the equation
In general, more guns= more shooting and more shooting= more deaths
Actually that isn't true....I would love to see an impartial link to that belief.....because as has been shown and as you have reported and brain has reported......with more Americans owning and actually carrying guns for protection....the crime rate has gone down...that means the gun violence rate is going down...therefore you are wrong again...more guns do not mean more shooting and more deaths....since the gun murder rate has been going down as has the accidental gun death rate...
Again, you are just wrong......
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
I don't have a problem
Why don't you put up a sign "Guns kept on the premises" so that robbers know where the desirable property to steal is
Nah...I want to keep em guessing. How else am I to get a good shot at em?
Besides they couldnt get past the gate,the dog,the alarm,the surveillance system or into the safe. All they'd get is killed.
I am not buying the assertion that a major portion of defensive actions with guns are not reported to the police...unless you are counting one gangster backing down from another because he drew his gun first. If I ever felt that my gun just saved my life, you can bet your sweet ass that I would be on 911 before the dust settled on their footprints.
Most cases of a gun being used are merely showing the gun to the criminal with the intent on using it and they leave the scene....since they don't want to get shot and they don't want to get arrested....and they can easily find someone who doesn't have a gun to attack......
And If you decide to tell the police you displayed your gun.......will you be arrested for brandishing.....disturbing the peace, wreckless endangerment, will you have your permit to carry suspended, .....there are a lot of reasons not to report a crime if you used your gun to scare off the criminal...ask the woman from Pennsylvania who informed the New Jersey police officer she had a legal permit to carry a gun and that she had a gun........then she was arrested and faced 3 years in jail because her permit wasn't valid in New Jersey...
There is a huge risk that you take when you deal with police and prosecutors if you use a gun to defend yourself, even if you don't fire it....
Like the guy in the SUV driving through Ferguson during the protest...his car was surrounded, they smashed his rear window....and when he drew his pistol and held it ready as he called 911, the attackers also called police to report him drawing his weapon......the police showed up and took him into custody......I imagine he was released later...but he was still left dealing with the police....and what if he had to retain a lawyer....that isn't cheap.......
So yes....people who use a gun to stop or prevent a crime do not always report it to the police....especially if no shots were fired.....
And if nothing happened and you report it....what do the police report...........you were approached and threatened...the guy ran away when you displayed your pistol...........
To the law enforcement types here on U.S.....what do you report that as?
That's odd. I have been serving on the Sheriff's Auxiliary Volunteers for 6 years...in fact, I am on duty tonight...and I have NEVER heard of anyone being prosecuted for "brandishing a gun" in a defensive situation. I guess that only happens in communities where the paranoids live.
No, that happens in gun grabber states.....
Actually that isn't true....I would love to see an impartial link to that belief.....because as has been shown and as you have reported and brain has reported......with more Americans owning and actually carrying guns for protection....the crime rate has gone down...that means the gun violence rate is going down...therefore you are wrong again...more guns do not mean more shooting and more deaths....since the gun murder rate has been going down as has the accidental gun death rate...
Again, you are just wrong......
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
I don't have a problem
Why don't you put up a sign "Guns kept on the premises" so that robbers know where the desirable property to steal is
Nah...I want to keep em guessing. How else am I to get a good shot at em?
Besides they couldnt get past the gate,the dog,the alarm,the surveillance system or into the safe. All they'd get is killed.
Most gun owners aren't that smart
It is not hard to figure out when someone is home and when they have left. Do you have a phone?
Your guns are more valuable to a criminal than anything I have in my house. Easier to carry, easier to sell
They want to rob my house? I'll just walk out and let them. I have insurance and don't own anything worth taking a human life
Every state legislature agrees with you.As far as I'm concerned entering my home with the intention of robbing or possibly killing me is enough reason to shoot em.
Actually that isn't true....I would love to see an impartial link to that belief.....because as has been shown and as you have reported and brain has reported......with more Americans owning and actually carrying guns for protection....the crime rate has gone down...that means the gun violence rate is going down...therefore you are wrong again...more guns do not mean more shooting and more deaths....since the gun murder rate has been going down as has the accidental gun death rate...
Again, you are just wrong......
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
I don't have a problem
Why don't you put up a sign "Guns kept on the premises" so that robbers know where the desirable property to steal is
Nah...I want to keep em guessing. How else am I to get a good shot at em?
Besides they couldnt get past the gate,the dog,the alarm,the surveillance system or into the safe. All they'd get is killed.
Most gun owners aren't that smart
It is not hard to figure out when someone is home and when they have left. Do you have a phone?
Your guns are more valuable to a criminal than anything I have in my house. Easier to carry, easier to sell
They want to rob my house? I'll just walk out and let them. I have insurance and don't own anything worth taking a human life
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
I don't have a problem
Why don't you put up a sign "Guns kept on the premises" so that robbers know where the desirable property to steal is
Nah...I want to keep em guessing. How else am I to get a good shot at em?
Besides they couldnt get past the gate,the dog,the alarm,the surveillance system or into the safe. All they'd get is killed.
Most gun owners aren't that smart
It is not hard to figure out when someone is home and when they have left. Do you have a phone?
Your guns are more valuable to a criminal than anything I have in my house. Easier to carry, easier to sell
They want to rob my house? I'll just walk out and let them. I have insurance and don't own anything worth taking a human life
Aren't smart enough to do what? That was a nonsensical generalization. Smart enough to get a good shot?
It is not hard to figure out when someone is home and when they have left? How? MOst people have multiple cars. If there is one car in the driveway does that mean that everyone has left the house? Or is there someone asleep with the lights off?
You assume that you will have the opportunity to leave. Maybe they will assume that you have hidden your valuables. Maybe they just want to hurt you for the sadistic fun of it. Maybe they will be between you and the exit.
What has been shown is that gun ownership has had no impact on the crime rate and those areas with more acces to weapons have the highest homicide rates
Than you should be fine with putting a gun free zone sign in your yard.
I don't have a problem
Why don't you put up a sign "Guns kept on the premises" so that robbers know where the desirable property to steal is
Nah...I want to keep em guessing. How else am I to get a good shot at em?
Besides they couldnt get past the gate,the dog,the alarm,the surveillance system or into the safe. All they'd get is killed.
Most gun owners aren't that smart
It is not hard to figure out when someone is home and when they have left. Do you have a phone?
Your guns are more valuable to a criminal than anything I have in my house. Easier to carry, easier to sell
They want to rob my house? I'll just walk out and let them. I have insurance and don't own anything worth taking a human life
Aren't smart enough to do what? That was a nonsensical generalization. Smart enough to get a good shot?
It is not hard to figure out when someone is home and when they have left? How? MOst people have multiple cars. If there is one car in the driveway does that mean that everyone has left the house? Or is there someone asleep with the lights off?
You assume that you will have the opportunity to leave. Maybe they will assume that you have hidden your valuables. Maybe they just want to hurt you for the sadistic fun of it. Maybe they will be between you and the exit.
Every state legislature agrees with you.
