House Republicans still want to rip out the 14th amendment....

[Statistikhengst]

Damn, they just never learn.

Going on RIGHT NOW, in the HOR Judiciary Committee:

Hearing Birthright Citizenship Is it the Right Policy for America - Hearings - Judiciary Committee

HEARING: BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP: IS IT THE RIGHT POLICY FOR AMERICA?

Among the list of those invited is a person from the Claremont Institute, an extreme-Right-Wing think-tank.


And Rep. King just did this about 3 hours ago, at the hearing.

This HOR may just go down in history as most stupid HOR we have ever had.

Many, many important issues, and they are focused on wanting to kill the 14th amendment because of what they call "anchor babies".

Go figure.

 

[DarkFury]

The war started over cotton MORON. Slavery did not enter the war for a while.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Only a full-idiot-full-racist type writes that kind of bullshit.

 

[TheOldSchool]

The war started over cotton MORON. Slavery did not enter the war for a while.

Read the secession papers dummy.

 

[occupied]

Oh boy! Are we going to do this one again? <sharpening claws> My favorite topic just never gets old.

 

[Correll]

What do you call anchor babies?

 

[Statistikhengst]

Oh boy! Are we going to do this one again? <sharpening claws> My favorite topic just never gets old.

Yes, dorky fuzzlenuts is just wanting to get tarred and feathered today. Please, be my guest.

 

[Statistikhengst]

What do you call anchor babies?

Legal US citizens, according to the law of this land.

You do understand that very simple principle, right?

 

[Correll]

What do you call anchor babies?

Legal US citizens, according to the law of this land.

You do understand that very simple principle, right?

I understand that that is the way we have been doing it.

You don't see any difference between a child born to two US citizens, and one born to a Chinese National who came here on a vacation timed to have her baby on American soil and who will spend the next 18 years growing up in another nation with no connection to American culture or ideas?

 

[nat4900]

What do you call anchor babies?

When 2 big anchors mate, they make little anchors?

 

[nat4900]

I understand that that is the way we have been doing it.

You don't see any difference between a child born to two US citizens, and one born to a Chinese National who came here on a vacation timed to have her baby on American soil and who will spend the next 18 years growing up in another nation with no connection to American culture or ideas?

Abandon all the pretenses....right wingers just don't want a whole bunch of dark skinned babies who'll grow up to vote democrat....

 

[occupied]

What do you call anchor babies?

Legal US citizens, according to the law of this land.

You do understand that very simple principle, right?

I understand that that is the way we have been doing it.

You don't see any difference between a child born to two US citizens, and one born to a Chinese National who came here on a vacation timed to have her baby on American soil and who will spend the next 18 years growing up in another nation with no connection to American culture or ideas?

The constitution sees no difference, want to tinker with it just to spite some Chinese people?

 

[nat4900]

Steve King would make even Joe McCarthy blush....

 

[Correll]

I understand that that is the way we have been doing it.

You don't see any difference between a child born to two US citizens, and one born to a Chinese National who came here on a vacation timed to have her baby on American soil and who will spend the next 18 years growing up in another nation with no connection to American culture or ideas?

Abandon all the pretenses....right wingers just don't want a whole bunch of dark skinned babies who'll grow up to vote democrat....

Are you ok?

According to post times, it took you 2 whole minutes to reach for Race Card.

Is your sugar low? Is there anyone there with you? DO you have FIrst Alert? if so hit the button NOW!!!

 

[Statistikhengst]

The war started over cotton MORON. Slavery did not enter the war for a while.

Read the secession papers dummy.

He can start here:

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.

The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.

We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

Adopted December 24, 1860

Alone in this portion of the succession document for South Carolina, slavery is mentioned 14 times.

It was the MAIN cause of the Civil War.

Absolute pueril idiots like DarkFury will have to learn that facts trump propaganda any day of the week.

 

[Correll]

What do you call anchor babies?

Legal US citizens, according to the law of this land.

You do understand that very simple principle, right?

I understand that that is the way we have been doing it.

You don't see any difference between a child born to two US citizens, and one born to a Chinese National who came here on a vacation timed to have her baby on American soil and who will spend the next 18 years growing up in another nation with no connection to American culture or ideas?

The constitution sees no difference, want to tinker with it just to spite some Chinese people?

No.

The extremely generous practice we have been using was based on Court Rulings, which can be overturned either with a new ruling or a simple bill.

 

[Statistikhengst]

What do you call anchor babies?

Legal US citizens, according to the law of this land.

You do understand that very simple principle, right?

I understand that that is the way we have been doing it.

You don't see any difference between a child born to two US citizens, and one born to a Chinese National who came here on a vacation timed to have her baby on American soil and who will spend the next 18 years growing up in another nation with no connection to American culture or ideas?

The constitution sees no difference, want to tinker with it just to spite some Chinese people?

No.

The extremely generous practice we have been using was based on Court Rulings, which can be overturned either with a new ruling or a simple bill.

No. It is not a "generous practice". It is law, it is within the 14th amendment to the US Constitution.

Which part of the word "Constitution" do you not understand?

Unlike you, I respect the law of the land.

 

[occupied]

The war started over cotton MORON. Slavery did not enter the war for a while.

Read the secession papers dummy.

He can start here:

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.

The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.

We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

Adopted December 24, 1860

Alone in this portion of the succession document for South Carolina, slavery is mentioned 14 times.

It was the MAIN cause of the Civil War.

Absolute pueril idiots like DarkFury will have to learn that facts trump propaganda any day of the week.

The southern ambition was to expand slavery westward and begin a campaign of conquest southward into central America, all to provide a market for their excess slaves. Seems the slave owners were worried about getting outnumbered by their "property" especially since they had exhausted the soil in the old south. The north had attempted to keep slavery confined to the states that already had it and none of it went over well down south. Technically the war was begun over the question of expanding slavery to the west but it was still over slavery.

 

[nat4900]

Are you ok?

According to post times, it took you 2 whole minutes to reach for Race Card.

Is your sugar low? Is there anyone there with you? DO you have FIrst Alert? if so hit the button NOW!!!

I'm perfectly fine, thank you for your concern.....

I'm just tired of these thinly veiled pretenses about who or who should not be a citizen of this nation.....If there were a huge influx of Poles or Swedes as immigrants, your "outrage" would be considerably tempered.

 

[Statistikhengst]

The war started over cotton MORON. Slavery did not enter the war for a while.

Read the secession papers dummy.

He can start here:

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.

The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.

We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

Adopted December 24, 1860

Alone in this portion of the succession document for South Carolina, slavery is mentioned 14 times.

It was the MAIN cause of the Civil War.

Absolute pueril idiots like DarkFury will have to learn that facts trump propaganda any day of the week.

The southern ambition was to expand slavery westward and begin a campaign of conquest southward into central America, all to provide a market for their excess slaves. Seems the slave owners were worried about getting outnumbered by their "property" especially since they had exhausted the soil in the old south. The north had attempted to keep slavery confined to the states that already had it and none of it went over well down south. Technically the war was begun over the question of expanding slavery to the west but it was still over slavery.

Correct.

And for this reason, the Missouri Compromise of 1820, which also resulted many new states experiencing a delayed entry into the Union, so that the electoral balance of power between the North and the South could be maintained. Michigan's entry into the Union was delayed almost 15 years because of this.