House Republicans still want to rip out the 14th amendment....

[nat4900]

The war started over cotton MORON. Slavery did not enter the war for a while.

The above is what happens when dimwits learn all they need to know about history from the scholarly Sean Hannity.

 

[occupied]

The war started over cotton MORON. Slavery did not enter the war for a while.

Read the secession papers dummy.

He can start here:

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.

The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.

We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

Adopted December 24, 1860

Alone in this portion of the succession document for South Carolina, slavery is mentioned 14 times.

It was the MAIN cause of the Civil War.

Absolute pueril idiots like DarkFury will have to learn that facts trump propaganda any day of the week.

The southern ambition was to expand slavery westward and begin a campaign of conquest southward into central America, all to provide a market for their excess slaves. Seems the slave owners were worried about getting outnumbered by their "property" especially since they had exhausted the soil in the old south. The north had attempted to keep slavery confined to the states that already had it and none of it went over well down south. Technically the war was begun over the question of expanding slavery to the west but it was still over slavery.

Correct.

And for this reason, the Missouri Compromise of 1820, which also resulted many new states experiencing a delayed entry into the Union, so that the electoral balance of power between the North and the South could be maintained.

Not to mention Kansas being overrun by Missouri border ruffians trying to tip the balance towards slavery. The story of "Bleeding Kansas" is plenty of proof as to what the South really cared about.

 

[Correll]

What do you call anchor babies?

Legal US citizens, according to the law of this land.

You do understand that very simple principle, right?

I understand that that is the way we have been doing it.

You don't see any difference between a child born to two US citizens, and one born to a Chinese National who came here on a vacation timed to have her baby on American soil and who will spend the next 18 years growing up in another nation with no connection to American culture or ideas?

The constitution sees no difference, want to tinker with it just to spite some Chinese people?

No.

The extremely generous practice we have been using was based on Court Rulings, which can be overturned either with a new ruling or a simple bill.

No. It is not a "generous practice". It is law, it is within the 14th amendment to the US Constitution.

Which part of the word "Constitution" do you not understand?

Unlike you, I respect the law of the land.

Wow. Suddenly you're a Strict Constructionist?

Just in time to encourage ever higher rates of immigration?!

Are you operating under the belief system that overpopulation is a myth and that that carrying capacity of the North American Ecosystem is infinite?

 

[Correll]

Are you ok?

According to post times, it took you 2 whole minutes to reach for Race Card.

Is your sugar low? Is there anyone there with you? DO you have FIrst Alert? if so hit the button NOW!!!

I'm perfectly fine, thank you for your concern.....

I'm just tired of these thinly veiled pretenses about who or who should not be a citizen of this nation.....If there were a huge influx of Poles or Swedes as immigrants, your "outrage" would be considerably tempered.

Perhaps. Poles have in the past assimilated nicely. And do not share a border. And do not have a historical grievance. And would likely not be the pocket of the dems so much.

 

[BluesLegend]

The traitorous left ignores our immigration laws, they intentionally undermine our immigration laws, they refuse to enforce our immigration laws, enabling this problem then they have the nerve to shake the US Constitution at us?

 

[occupied]

The traitorous left ignores our immigration laws, they intentionally undermine our immigration laws, they refuse to enforce our immigration laws, enabling this problem then they have the nerve to shake the US Constitution at us?

Yes, not sure you realize just how fascist we would have to become to enforce immigration laws to the satisfaction of you people, or maybe you do and just don't mind living in a country where thousands of doors are kicked in and people are dragged off in the middle of the night.

 

[BluesLegend]

The traitorous left ignores our immigration laws, they intentionally undermine our immigration laws, they refuse to enforce our immigration laws, enabling this problem then they have the nerve to shake the US Constitution at us?

Yes, not sure you realize just how fascist we would have to become to enforce immigration laws to the satisfaction of you people, or maybe you do and just don't mind living in a country where thousands of doors are kicked in and people are dragged off in the middle of the night.

Look don't be a dumb ass.

 

[DGS49]

No other country in the world adheres to this ridiculous policy, which is based on an extremely questionable reading of a couple of out-of-context words. What is not in doubt is that the people who wrote them had no idea - and would have been horrified to know - what would be happening based on those words in the future.

If it takes a Constitutional Amendment, so be it. This anchor baby bullshit is just that: bullshit.

 

[westwall]

What do you call anchor babies?

Legal US citizens, according to the law of this land.

You do understand that very simple principle, right?

I understand that that is the way we have been doing it.

You don't see any difference between a child born to two US citizens, and one born to a Chinese National who came here on a vacation timed to have her baby on American soil and who will spend the next 18 years growing up in another nation with no connection to American culture or ideas?

The constitution sees no difference, want to tinker with it just to spite some Chinese people?

No.

The extremely generous practice we have been using was based on Court Rulings, which can be overturned either with a new ruling or a simple bill.

No. It is not a "generous practice". It is law, it is within the 14th amendment to the US Constitution.

Which part of the word "Constitution" do you not understand?

Unlike you, I respect the law of the land.

And yet you want to ban guns? Interesting...

 

[occupied]

The traitorous left ignores our immigration laws, they intentionally undermine our immigration laws, they refuse to enforce our immigration laws, enabling this problem then they have the nerve to shake the US Constitution at us?

Yes, not sure you realize just how fascist we would have to become to enforce immigration laws to the satisfaction of you people, or maybe you do and just don't mind living in a country where thousands of doors are kicked in and people are dragged off in the middle of the night.

Look don't be a dumb ass.

Right back at-cha. You immigrant haters talk a lot of shit but actually have no idea just how backed-up things actually are or how we would have to throw due process and property rights in the trash to throw people out as fast as you want.

 

[nat4900]

Perhaps. Poles have in the past assimilated nicely. And do not share a border. And do not have a historical grievance. And would likely not be the pocket of the dems so much.

Ahhhhh, there you go......See, it wasn't so hard to openly admit your prejudices......Keeping your biases hidden takes a toll on your psyche.

 

[bodecea]

What do you call anchor babies?

Legal US citizens, according to the law of this land.

You do understand that very simple principle, right?

I understand that that is the way we have been doing it.

You don't see any difference between a child born to two US citizens, and one born to a Chinese National who came here on a vacation timed to have her baby on American soil and who will spend the next 18 years growing up in another nation with no connection to American culture or ideas?

The Constitution and the law doesn't see any difference.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Legal US citizens, according to the law of this land.

You do understand that very simple principle, right?

I understand that that is the way we have been doing it.

You don't see any difference between a child born to two US citizens, and one born to a Chinese National who came here on a vacation timed to have her baby on American soil and who will spend the next 18 years growing up in another nation with no connection to American culture or ideas?

The constitution sees no difference, want to tinker with it just to spite some Chinese people?

No.

The extremely generous practice we have been using was based on Court Rulings, which can be overturned either with a new ruling or a simple bill.

No. It is not a "generous practice". It is law, it is within the 14th amendment to the US Constitution.

Which part of the word "Constitution" do you not understand?

Unlike you, I respect the law of the land.

And yet you want to ban guns? Interesting...

Please point to one single posting of mine where I have ever indicated that I am for banning guns.

Please.

This should be fun.

 

[nat4900]

Yes, not sure you realize just how fascist we would have to become to enforce immigration laws to the satisfaction of you people, or maybe you do and just don't mind living in a country where thousands of doors are kicked in and people are dragged off in the middle of the night.

Perhaps Blueballs would want just a little tattoo with numbers on those folks' forearms????

 

[bodecea]

Are you ok?

According to post times, it took you 2 whole minutes to reach for Race Card.

Is your sugar low? Is there anyone there with you? DO you have FIrst Alert? if so hit the button NOW!!!

I'm perfectly fine, thank you for your concern.....

I'm just tired of these thinly veiled pretenses about who or who should not be a citizen of this nation.....If there were a huge influx of Poles or Swedes as immigrants, your "outrage" would be considerably tempered.

There was outrage over Poles coming to the U.S....as there was outrage over Italians, and Jews, and Irish in their time.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Are you ok?

According to post times, it took you 2 whole minutes to reach for Race Card.

Is your sugar low? Is there anyone there with you? DO you have FIrst Alert? if so hit the button NOW!!!

I'm perfectly fine, thank you for your concern.....

I'm just tired of these thinly veiled pretenses about who or who should not be a citizen of this nation.....If there were a huge influx of Poles or Swedes as immigrants, your "outrage" would be considerably tempered.

Perhaps. Poles have in the past assimilated nicely. And do not share a border. And do not have a historical grievance. And would likely not be the pocket of the dems so much.

Thank you for saving us the work of outing you. You did it yourself.

A racist can only cloak himself for so long, you know.

 

[westwall]

The traitorous left ignores our immigration laws, they intentionally undermine our immigration laws, they refuse to enforce our immigration laws, enabling this problem then they have the nerve to shake the US Constitution at us?

Yes, not sure you realize just how fascist we would have to become to enforce immigration laws to the satisfaction of you people, or maybe you do and just don't mind living in a country where thousands of doors are kicked in and people are dragged off in the middle of the night.

Look don't be a dumb ass.

Right back at-cha. You immigrant haters talk a lot of shit but actually have no idea just how backed-up things actually are or how we would have to throw due process and property rights in the trash to throw people out as fast as you want.

We're not immigrant haters. We do intensely dislike illegal immigration which creates a permanent underclass and causes a net lowering of all wages because of that. Further, Mexico, from whence most illegals come from, is a very wealthy country, but due to extreme corruption the poor have no chance to better their position. The ruling elite, in a calculated program, pushes the poor northwards to release the pressure that would otherwise blow up into a full scale revolution.

By not regulating immigration, you allow a small, super wealthy group, to dictate the life you get to live here in the US.

 

[nat4900]

And yet you want to ban guns? Interesting...

Well, you're right.....It would have been much more "interesting" if we had a whole bunch of guns thrown into the mix of Baltimore rioters, don't you think?

 

[BluesLegend]

The traitorous left ignores our immigration laws, they intentionally undermine our immigration laws, they refuse to enforce our immigration laws, enabling this problem then they have the nerve to shake the US Constitution at us?

Yes, not sure you realize just how fascist we would have to become to enforce immigration laws to the satisfaction of you people, or maybe you do and just don't mind living in a country where thousands of doors are kicked in and people are dragged off in the middle of the night.

Look don't be a dumb ass.

Right back at-cha. You immigrant haters talk a lot of shit but actually have no idea just how backed-up things actually are or how we would have to throw due process and property rights in the trash to throw people out as fast as you want.

They aren't immigrants you ignorant ass they are illegal criminals. They broke our laws coming here, they continue breaking our laws being here. You and your ilk please do the country a favor and stop voting.

 

[OKTexas]

What do you call anchor babies?

Legal US citizens, according to the law of this land.

You do understand that very simple principle, right?

Have you actually read the 14th Amendment? It does not grant automatic US Citizenship to anyone born on US soil.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Foreign nationals are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, they are governed by treaties and international law.

The Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment

United States nationality law - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia