House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

[Iceweasel]

Welcome to America where you can be found mentally incompetent of handling YOUR MONEY but you can still get a gun.

Just remember that next time you try to rob a senior citizen.

This ruling had nothing to do with senior citizens. They could be crazier than a shithouse rat and Social Security would never know. The only way they would be a member of the "class" of people would be if their loved ones had initiated an action proclaiming them incompetent.

This ruling mostly applies to mentally disabled collecting SSI. They are not elderly. It has been determined that they cannot work, and they have contributed so little to Social Security that they can't collect disability. The 23 year old mentally challenged individual that holds a "completion certificate" instead of a HS diploma. Never had a job, lives at home with Mom. Not capable of making a purchase at a convenience store without assistance. But lets go ahead and allow him the ability to stroll up to the counter at a pawn shop and stroll out with an AR-15.

Beam me up Scottie, there is no intelligent life here.

...except most on SS are elderly so let's not sweep it aside. When was the last time you bought an AR? Or gun, period? You can only walk out with a gun if you passed the NCIS check and here you'd need a CCW permit or you'd have awaiting period. That's true for most states.

But you missed the point, no one wants the truly insane to be armed, it's just that there's much better ways to go about it. A relative calling in a concern shouldn't do it.

That's irrelevant. They wouldn't be affected just by being elderly. Age has nothing to do with it. From the OP: records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities

But most on SS are seniors. That's not the agency to handle it. If they are PROPERLY diagnosed mentally ill or incompetent then make it part of the NCIS check.

 

[Coyote]

It makes no sense to not support that rule. So it's ok for severely mentally ill or disabled people to buy guns then you have stuff like Sandy Hook????

 

[Coyote]

Welcome to America where you can be found mentally incompetent of handling YOUR MONEY but you can still get a gun.

Just remember that next time you try to rob a senior citizen.

This ruling had nothing to do with senior citizens. They could be crazier than a shithouse rat and Social Security would never know. The only way they would be a member of the "class" of people would be if their loved ones had initiated an action proclaiming them incompetent.

This ruling mostly applies to mentally disabled collecting SSI. They are not elderly. It has been determined that they cannot work, and they have contributed so little to Social Security that they can't collect disability. The 23 year old mentally challenged individual that holds a "completion certificate" instead of a HS diploma. Never had a job, lives at home with Mom. Not capable of making a purchase at a convenience store without assistance. But lets go ahead and allow him the ability to stroll up to the counter at a pawn shop and stroll out with an AR-15.

Beam me up Scottie, there is no intelligent life here.

...except most on SS are elderly so let's not sweep it aside. When was the last time you bought an AR? Or gun, period? You can only walk out with a gun if you passed the NCIS che
ck and here you'd need a CCW permit or you'd have awaiting period. That's true for most states.

But you missed the point, no one wants the truly insane to be armed, it's just that there's much better ways to go about it. A relative calling in a concern shouldn't do it.

That's irrelevant. They wouldn't be affected just by being elderly. Age has nothing to do with it. From the OP: records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities

But most on SS are seniors. That's not the agency to handle it. If they are PROPERLY diagnosed mentally ill or incompetent then make it part of the NCIS check.

But again, it only applies to those with severe mental disabilities - a relative calling in a concern doesn't put one in that category. There's a legal process that that one has to go through to get there and it isn't easy.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Obama admin looks to ban some Social Security recipients from owning guns

 

[Coyote]

Obama admin looks to ban some Social Security recipients from owning guns

From the article:

The language of federal gun laws restricts ownership to people who are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease” – which could potentially affect a large group within Social Security, the LA Times reported.

If Social Security, which has never taken part in the background check system, uses the same standard as the Department of Veterans Affairs – which is the idea floated – then millions of beneficiaries could be affected, with about 4.2 million adults receiving monthly benefits that are managed by “representative payees.”



It would not affect those who's affairs are managed by another UNLESS they are declared mentally incompetent and it would take a court to do that.

Meme claims Obama to ban Social Security recipients from owning guns
This is a vast exaggeration of the actual policy under consideration. It would not affect all Social Security recipients, but rather those who have already been declared mentally incompetent, and thus ineligible under current law from purchasing a gun. And it is targeted at blocking gun purchases, not taking away guns from people who already have them. Only in California could the policy lead to increased gun seizures, and only -- potentially -- for mentally incompetent residents of the state who would be newly added to the background check database.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Obama admin looks to ban some Social Security recipients from owning guns

From the article:

The language of federal gun laws restricts ownership to people who are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease” – which could potentially affect a large group within Social Security, the LA Times reported.

If Social Security, which has never taken part in the background check system, uses the same standard as the Department of Veterans Affairs – which is the idea floated – then millions of beneficiaries could be affected, with about 4.2 million adults receiving monthly benefits that are managed by “representative payees.”



It would not affect those who's affairs are managed by another UNLESS they are declared mentally incompetent and it would take a court to do that.

Meme claims Obama to ban Social Security recipients from owning guns
This is a vast exaggeration of the actual policy under consideration. It would not affect all Social Security recipients, but rather those who have already been declared mentally incompetent, and thus ineligible under current law from purchasing a gun. And it is targeted at blocking gun purchases, not taking away guns from people who already have them. Only in California could the policy lead to increased gun seizures, and only -- potentially -- for mentally incompetent residents of the state who would be newly added to the background check database.

The ACLU disagrees with you and favors repeal of the rule for the reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread.

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ACLU.pdf

Your source is also wrong concerning being legally declared incompetent as a requirement to be put on the list. It is not, it is triggered merely by having your SS check go to someone other than the recipient. As follows per the ACLU:

In December 2016, the SSA promulgated a final rule that would require the names of all Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefit recipients – who, because of a mental impairment, use a representative payee to help manage their benefits – be submitted to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is used during gun purchases.
We oppose this rule because it advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent. There is no data to support a connection between the need for a representative payee to manage one’s Social Security disability benefits and a propensity toward gun violence. The rule further demonstrates the damaging phenomenon of “spread,” or the perception that a disabled individual with one area of impairment automatically has additional, negative and unrelated attributes. Here, the rule automatically conflates one disability-related characteristic, that is, difficulty managing money, with the inability to safely possess a firearm.

The rule includes no meaningful due process protections prior to the SSA’s transmittal of names to the NICS database. The determination by SSA line staff that a beneficiary needs a representative payee to manage their money benefit is simply not an “adjudication” in any ordinary meaning of the word. Nor is it a determination that the person “[l]acks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs” as required by the NICS. Indeed, the law and the SSA clearly state that representative payees are appointed for many individuals who are legally competent.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Should criminals have guns?
Should children have guns?

Depending on the crime...

Should someone that has a history of violence be allow to own a firearm?

Most likely not... But someone that was nonviolent it depends the firearm like long rifle I have no problem with them owning one.

As for kids it depend the age.

I have own shotguns since my twenties...

Hey bruce! Ya shady ass mf'er

Yes... Yes!!! YEEESSS!@!

Hello young one...

Hope you're enjoying the new year and enjoying the insanity that come with it!!!

 

[Wry Catcher]

The Congress has been corrupted!

Every Pol accepts 'donations' and the honest ones admit they are efforts to influence them. But of course they deny the donation will have any impact on their vote, which is bullshit.

The fact is some 'donations' are much worse than a bribe, when the special interests - such as the NRA - are able to extort votes by the threat of supporting a more friendly person to oppose the incumbent in a primary. Ben Franklin was spot on when he said we have a republic, if we can keep it. Thanks to Citizens United, McCutcheon and five members of the Supreme Court, we couldn't and haven't been able to prevent the NRA from its desire to arm every person within our borders.

Welcome to the Plutocratic Oligarchy of America.

 

[HenryBHough]

Appears that seniors afflicted with Democrat Dementia are now free to own firearms. But would they? Is not part of their affliction an irrational fear of inanimate guns?

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

The Congress has been corrupted!

Every Pol accepts 'donations' and the honest ones admit they are efforts to influence them. But of course they deny the donation will have any impact on their vote, which is bullshit.

The fact is some 'donations' are much worse than a bribe, when the special interests - such as the NRA - are able to extort votes by the threat of supporting a more friendly person to oppose the incumbent in a primary. Ben Franklin was spot on when he said we have a republic, if we can keep it. Thanks to Citizens United, McCutcheon and five members of the Supreme Court, we couldn't and haven't been able to prevent the NRA from its desire to arm every person within our borders.

Welcome to the Plutocratic Oligarchy of America.

Another useless off topic post from you trying to derail the thread.

 

[JBond]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

What a naive childlike understanding of what actually happened. Fail.

 

[SYTFE]

Conservative scum will not be happy until the USA is the most dangerous place on the planet.

 

[HenryBHough]

Conservative scum will not be happy until the USA is the most dangerous place on the planet.

Complete the thought?

Make it read "the most dangerous place on the planet to be a liberal" and I'd have to agree.

Joyously.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Conservative scum will not be happy until the USA is the most dangerous place on the planet.

Guess you best add the ACLU to your post. They also support killing the rule.

Do try and keep up, Flake.

 

[mudwhistle]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

I think what has escaped you is nothing Obama did was as it seems.
Obama wanted to have a backdoor rule to take away our 2nd Amendment rights.
Had Obama's crappy law been allowed to stand a simple tweak in regulations would render any Social Security recipient unable to legally have a gun to protect him or herself.

 

[SYTFE]

Conservative scum will not be happy until the USA is the most dangerous place on the planet.

Guess you best add the ACLU to your post. They also support killing the rule.

Do try and keep up, Flake.

Link to a post on ACLU's site showing support for this?

 

[Dschrute3]

Obviously, a Democrat Fake News distortion. This was a very sleazy move by Obama/Democrats. They tried to use the Social Security System to advance their Gun-Grabber agenda. Democrats will do anything to try and thwart the Constitution. So, kudos to the Republicans for reversing this dirty trick.

 

[SYTFE]

Conservative scum will not be happy until the USA is the most dangerous place on the planet.

Complete the thought?

Make it read "the most dangerous place on the planet to be a liberal" and I'd have to agree.

Joyously.

Your little authoritarian fantasies are so cute.

 

[Auld Phart]

Welcome to America where you can be found mentally incompetent of handling YOUR MONEY but you can still get a gun.

Just remember that next time you try to rob a senior citizen.

This ruling had nothing to do with senior citizens. They could be crazier than a shithouse rat and Social Security would never know. The only way they would be a member of the "class" of people would be if their loved ones had initiated an action proclaiming them incompetent.

This ruling mostly applies to mentally disabled collecting SSI. They are not elderly. It has been determined that they cannot work, and they have contributed so little to Social Security that they can't collect disability. The 23 year old mentally challenged individual that holds a "completion certificate" instead of a HS diploma. Never had a job, lives at home with Mom. Not capable of making a purchase at a convenience store without assistance. But lets go ahead and allow him the ability to stroll up to the counter at a pawn shop and stroll out with an AR-15.

Beam me up Scottie, there is no intelligent life here.

If he can't make 'a purchase at a convenience store without assistance' I suspect he would be equally incapable of purchasing a gun at a pawn shop without assistance.

Ayep, and there are plenty of gun shop owners willing to lend a hand.

At risk of their licenses

 

[Auld Phart]

I was worried that the man down the street, who abuses his wife because he is suffering from dementia, and thinks that she is trying to poison him, would not be able to purchase a gun. After all, she has called the cops to come out three times, and who could blame the man for being a little paranoid, since he thinks that they are N. Korea soldiers who are still chasing him since 1953. Now, the republicans have given him his rights back. Thanks, GOP! Luckily, I am with the Sheriff's Auxiliary, and not a deputy, and we don't respond to domestic violence calls.

If he's abusing his wife, he should be prevented from purchasing a firearm anyway.

Sounds like he's suffering from PTSD.

Should we prevent people that dropped a tab of acid from purchasing a firearm, on the off chance they have a flashback?