How can one take a stand against illegal immigration or force local politicians to?

[Humorme]

Anybody have any good ideas? A certain letter that you sent to a politician that’s worded just right? Share it here.

Why do so many people fret over so - called "illegal immigration" when it is actually a symptom of a much deeper disease?

The American people have, of their own free will and volition, created the symptoms whereby they demand the government help save them from themselves. The more you demand the government do something, the more they will reduce your Rights and attack your Liberties until you have nothing left.

And, as they do that, you come closer to having the United States Supreme Court make the final decision as to how to best handle the situation. If you let them decide, you are not going to like what they have to say.

The best place to look for a helping hand is at the end of your own arm. You don't need the government to resolve this issue.

The problem with your argument is the United States has always had laws concerning Citizenship, it’s what defines a nation. Every country has some form of laws with interests in defending their own borders. Without a clear defined enforced border there is no national sovereignty.

There is no problem with my argument. You said it yourself. The United States has always had laws regarding citizenship. I've quoted the first immigration statute many times. Hell, let's do it again:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to support the Constitution of the United States, which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer, and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. And the children of such person so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed."

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790)

naturalization laws 1790-1795

Here's the point:

Despite that a year into our Constitution, people came here from every non-white country that a boat could make it here from. Yet only whites could become citizens.

What would it take to get it through your head that one need NOT be a citizen in order to be in the United States and conducting legal activities?

 

[Humorme]

Considering the damage Illegal immigration can do, with particular emphasis on the dangerously aggressive type of illegals presently pouring in from the Middle East, any elected official who will not act to eliminate this invasive threat may be regarded as treasonous to the fundamental interests of the Nation and must be promptly removed from office -- regardless of any other consideration. It is important that those of us who understand the nature of the threat these illegal Muslims pose to our Country make every possible effort to educate those who do not understand it and to convince them to vote the treacherous pro-immigrant politicians out.

Ooooh, there's a scary Muslim hiding under your bed, right now.

Every nation has a right to defend its own borders. Just exactly where in the Constitution does it state that we HAVE to accept immigrants (or even refugees for that matter) from all parts of the world, particularly from those known areas where terrorists have built a strongholds and actively look for means to infiltrate our country.

Do we need another 9-11 because some are too thickheaded, or just lacking in intelligence to know we need protective measures in place to protect our own citizens?

The Constitution is very limited in the role it can play toward foreigners. For example, Article 1, Section 8 states:

"To establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization"

What the Constitution does not say is that people have to become citizens in order to conduct business in the United States. What the Constitution does not say is that we have to extend the privileges and benefits of citizenship to non-citizens. Yet the right demands that all foreigners become citizens and the left gives the foreigners the same benefits and privileges of citizenship.

It's dishonest to claim that foreigners are "invading" because over half of America is willingly doing business with those who are undocumented. That makes them, for all intents and purposes, invitees.

There is nothing in the Constitution that states the United States is “obligates” to accept refugees or immigrants. Our nation is free to restrict its borders to the further flow of immigrants if it so chooses, and we have done so through our own narion’s History.

States also have the right to decide who can come and go, doing business as non-citizens. You aren't the only swinging Richard who gets to make the decision for a state - and especially states you are not a citizen of.

 

[Humorme]

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All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

I'm just not into that Orwellian crap. I don't like the fact that I'm required to have such an ID where the government can track everything we do from the womb to the tomb, 24 / 7 / 365.

Heaven forbid the government do a complete takeover and try to tyrannize all of us. Due to the inability to mount any opposition because Uncle Scam knows everything about us we'd never be able to mount a resistance.

Unless you want something from Uncle Scam (i.e. money, an education, healthcare at taxpayer expense, etc.) then ID serves little purpose.

If you keep the government ID to a photo ID, without a chip or some form of scan feature, they can’t track you unless they physically write your information down with a photo copy of your card. I do support a clear government ID from your home state (if you don’t already own a drivers license), a clear unique Federal card for foreign nationalists, with a separate paper card for work visas or temporary entry. Make it a part of your identification, just like we already do in order to enter every government building, library, obtain alcohol, flights, hotel reservations, traffic violation, gun purchases, rentals, museums, picking up your child at school, and YES especially even before you vote. If the government REALLY needs to track you, they already have that ability ... unless you can find a way to eliminate your social security number.

Oddly, my own efforts to get rid of the Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number" were the driving force that initially got me involved in immigration. BEFORE the anti - immigrant lobby came along, constitutionalists had begun to fight back at the illegally ratified 16th Amendment.

Politicians were telling us via the IRS that the income tax was "voluntary." So, how did you "volunteer?" You filled out an application for a Socialist Security Card. Lots of people then rescinded that contract and dumped the SSN. My own Congressman saw the writing on the wall and introduced legislation that would have abolished the IRS and repealed the income tax. But, it would be people like you that wanted to keep that plank from the Communist Manifesto and so anti-immigrant legislators used the SSN as their "unique identifier" and saving the illegal / communist income tax on the pretext for the need of that number.

The government has no business tracking me. I was born free with a natural Right to privacy and the government needs probable cause to think I committed a crime before they start babysitting me and tracking me.

This Orwellian 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and womb to the tomb monitoring are for those who want to be ruled by petty despots and dictators. Thank you, but I vote no.

 

[JoeB131]

Show me a link where it shows the United States arming all the worlds terrorists. That’s the most idiotic post I’ve seen for not enforcing our borders, and setting immigration restrictions

I didn't say, "All the world's terrorists".

We armed Saddam.
We armed Bin Laden

We acted all surprised when these guys bit us in the ass.. but we shouldn't have been.

 

[JoeB131]

Also, am the only one amused that a guy who whines about the "Shackles of big government" wants a government that is going to go around carding people to see who does and doesn't belong here?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Also, am the only one amused that a guy who whines about the "Shackles of big government" wants a government that is going to go around carding people to see who does and doesn't belong here?

Grow government as much as needed and take whatever action required to rid this nation of disgusting thirdworld filth and dead weight.

 

[JoeB131]

Grow government as much as needed and take whatever action required to rid this nation of disgusting thirdworld filth and dead weight.

Most immigrants I know are great people.

On the other hand, I never saw anyone who flew a confederate flag who wasn't a white trash piece of shit.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Grow government as much as needed and take whatever action required to rid this nation of disgusting thirdworld filth and dead weight.

Most immigrants I know are great people.

On the other hand, I never saw anyone who flew a confederate flag who wasn't a white trash piece of shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah....we’ve covered this ten times before...you love your jibber-jabber speaking, filthy blood sucking wetbacks because you’re a filthy blood sucking wetback...we get it.
Just remember...it was “white trash” that built this nation and the welfare system that you and all your human cockroach buddies need to survive.
Don’t bite the hand that feeds you Gustavo.

 

[danielpalos]

No faith in capitalism?

I think the system IS working. Over half of America is on drugs, be it legal or illegal. The government starts out with treating children for absolutely bogus conditions like ADD / ADHD. So the child is introduced to Ritalin. From there, children are taught they need SSRIs / opioids because their lives are so bad they can't cope. Then the children lose their insurance or decide to self medicate.

So, we have a government and their constituency that is so freaking stupid that they want to criminalize drugs after they just spent years creating the addicts. Foreigners take advantage of the situation by importing drugs. And the bulk of Americans, so stupid from the effects of drugs, they cannot figure this equation out:

Once you've created the addict, you either legalize drugs, cease and desist creating addicts, OR accept the fact that drugs are going to come in the U.S. via the border.

The addicts, unable and unwilling to work, leave a void whereby foreign laborers come in and do the job. Even if you got rid of the foreigners, it won't make an addict clean and it won't give them a clean criminal record. Adding insult to injury, even if an addict cleans up their act, we have a nation of dumb asses that rely on background checks and we have no second chances nor do we believe in redemption. So that half of America, most likely are not returning to work.

Then we blame all of this on foreigners and want to punish them for the conditions our own people created - AND REFUSE TO DEAL WITH. It's easier to blame the foreigners, but the practice means that the people are willing to forfeit their unalienable Rights and Liberties instead of addressing the root cause of their problems. I'm not willing to give up my Rights so that nit wits can get laws passed to screw with the foreigners - all of whom are simply taking advantage of the situation the American people created for themselves.

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

I'm just not into that Orwellian crap. I don't like the fact that I'm required to have such an ID where the government can track everything we do from the womb to the tomb, 24 / 7 / 365.

Heaven forbid the government do a complete takeover and try to tyrannize all of us. Due to the inability to mount any opposition because Uncle Scam knows everything about us we'd never be able to mount a resistance.

Unless you want something from Uncle Scam (i.e. money, an education, healthcare at taxpayer expense, etc.) then ID serves little purpose.

are you a foreign national in the US? if not, don't whine about it, be Patriotic.

"No man can put a chain about the ankleof his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck." Frederick Douglas, former slave

"...in the absence of a constitution, men look entirely to party; and instead of principle governing party, party governs principle. An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

—Thomas Paine, A Dissertation on the First Principles of Government (1795)

Doesn't seem relevant. Entry into the Union is a federal obligation since 1808. All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. A simple fee or fine, can make that happen via capitalism.

 

[Humorme]

I think the system IS working. Over half of America is on drugs, be it legal or illegal. The government starts out with treating children for absolutely bogus conditions like ADD / ADHD. So the child is introduced to Ritalin. From there, children are taught they need SSRIs / opioids because their lives are so bad they can't cope. Then the children lose their insurance or decide to self medicate.

So, we have a government and their constituency that is so freaking stupid that they want to criminalize drugs after they just spent years creating the addicts. Foreigners take advantage of the situation by importing drugs. And the bulk of Americans, so stupid from the effects of drugs, they cannot figure this equation out:

Once you've created the addict, you either legalize drugs, cease and desist creating addicts, OR accept the fact that drugs are going to come in the U.S. via the border.

The addicts, unable and unwilling to work, leave a void whereby foreign laborers come in and do the job. Even if you got rid of the foreigners, it won't make an addict clean and it won't give them a clean criminal record. Adding insult to injury, even if an addict cleans up their act, we have a nation of dumb asses that rely on background checks and we have no second chances nor do we believe in redemption. So that half of America, most likely are not returning to work.

Then we blame all of this on foreigners and want to punish them for the conditions our own people created - AND REFUSE TO DEAL WITH. It's easier to blame the foreigners, but the practice means that the people are willing to forfeit their unalienable Rights and Liberties instead of addressing the root cause of their problems. I'm not willing to give up my Rights so that nit wits can get laws passed to screw with the foreigners - all of whom are simply taking advantage of the situation the American people created for themselves.

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

I'm just not into that Orwellian crap. I don't like the fact that I'm required to have such an ID where the government can track everything we do from the womb to the tomb, 24 / 7 / 365.

Heaven forbid the government do a complete takeover and try to tyrannize all of us. Due to the inability to mount any opposition because Uncle Scam knows everything about us we'd never be able to mount a resistance.

Unless you want something from Uncle Scam (i.e. money, an education, healthcare at taxpayer expense, etc.) then ID serves little purpose.

are you a foreign national in the US? if not, don't whine about it, be Patriotic.

"No man can put a chain about the ankleof his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck." Frederick Douglas, former slave

"...in the absence of a constitution, men look entirely to party; and instead of principle governing party, party governs principle. An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

—Thomas Paine, A Dissertation on the First Principles of Government (1795)

Doesn't seem relevant. Entry into the Union is a federal obligation since 1808. All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. A simple fee or fine, can make that happen via capitalism.

No constitutional precedent for such an idea. Bottom line: you think if someone wants to come here, they can buy their way in?

 

[MikeK]

There is nothing in the Constitution that states the United States is “obligates” to accept refugees or immigrants. Our nation is free to restrict its borders to the further flow of immigrants if it so chooses, and we have done so through our own narion’s History.

Of course you're right -- and it's a damn shame that the slightest effort must be made to remind or inform even a small number of American citizens of the importance and the value of our Nation's sovereignty and autonomy.

A peoples' nation is analogous to an individual's home in the way it must be defended against invasion or casual usurpation. Because of the way the issue of migration has evolved within the past decade an impression is being formed that, so long as they arrive unarmed and wearing civilian clothing, certain people are entitled to remain in whatever country they choose to inhabit.

While the mainstream media has chosen, for some as yet unknown but menacing reason, to ignore what in fact is the invasion and occupation of Western Europe by hordes of military-age, Middle Eastern and African men, many of whom choose to behave in a criminally aggressive manner which includes assault, forcible rape and sexual molestation, arson, rioting, property destruction and burglary, these are behaviors which for the most part resemble the conduct of undisciplined troops of a conquering military invasion force.

Why is the media silent about the methodical ruin of historic European cultures? I don't know. Nor do I know why the leadership of such historic cultures as England, France, Germany, Greece, Sweden, et al, allow such invasive ravaging to go on without forceful intervention. But I do know it's not happening here in the U.S. and I believe the reasons why it's not happening here are the anti-immigration position of the Trump Administration and the Second Amendment.

 

[JoeB131]

Just remember...it was “white trash” that built this nation and the welfare system that you and all your human cockroach buddies need to survive.

Um, no, it's the white trash that prevents us from evolving in to a social democracy...

 

[BrokeLoser]

Just remember...it was “white trash” that built this nation and the welfare system that you and all your human cockroach buddies need to survive.

Um, no, it's the white trash that prevents us from evolving in to a social democracy...

You’ll have to take that up with our founders...they made the rules...good Americans just follow them. They knew what foreign filth was all about. My guess is, they met a few wetbacks back in the day and didn’t want American society polluted. Simple shit huh?...They were right along weren’t they?

 

[MikeK]

Um, no, it's the white trash that prevents us from evolving in to a social democracy...

Do you mean like the unarmed and docile European social democracies which have been invaded and occupied by the scum of the earth?

 

[JoeB131]

You’ll have to take that up with our founders...they made the rules...good Americans just follow them.

Actually, their rules included slavery.

Here's the thing.

Brown people are native to this continent.
White people are the invaders.

All we are really seeing is the balance being restored.

Do you mean like the unarmed and docile European social democracies which have been invaded and occupied by the scum of the earth?

Okay, sure, if that's what you want to think.... Here's your official Trump Map of the world

 

[BrokeLoser]

You’ll have to take that up with our founders...they made the rules...good Americans just follow them.

Actually, their rules included slavery.

Here's the thing.

Brown people are native to this continent.
White people are the invaders.

All we are really seeing is the balance being restored.

Do you mean like the unarmed and docile European social democracies which have been invaded and occupied by the scum of the earth?

Okay, sure, if that's what you want to think.... Here's your official Trump Map of the world

You don’t want to play philosophy of retards do you? The British conquered and or bought this land..you should spend your days thanking God they did...that’s why you get your much needed free shit....Imagine what kind of shithole this place would be had your filthy brown people built this nation...look around the globe bud...Brown filth everywhere...they can’t run anything but their mouths.
Further....Ancient Siberian’s and wetbacks are not one and the same.

 

[MikeK]

[...]
Brown people are native to this continent.
White people are the invaders.

All we are really seeing is the balance being restored.

That is a notion which will lead to the eventual restoration of slavery as it once existed and for essentially the same reasons.

 

[JoeB131]

You don’t want to play philosophy of retards do you? The British conquered and or bought this land..you should spend your days thanking God they did...that’s why you get your much needed free shit....Imagine what kind of shithole this place would be had your filthy brown people built this nation...look around the globe bud...Brown filth everywhere...they can’t run anything but their mouths.
Further....Ancient Siberian’s and wetbacks are not one and the same.

Meh, I travel down south and see what the country looks like when the Anglo White Trash is left to its own devices... It involves a lot of family trees that don't fork.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

I'm just not into that Orwellian crap. I don't like the fact that I'm required to have such an ID where the government can track everything we do from the womb to the tomb, 24 / 7 / 365.

Heaven forbid the government do a complete takeover and try to tyrannize all of us. Due to the inability to mount any opposition because Uncle Scam knows everything about us we'd never be able to mount a resistance.

Unless you want something from Uncle Scam (i.e. money, an education, healthcare at taxpayer expense, etc.) then ID serves little purpose.

are you a foreign national in the US? if not, don't whine about it, be Patriotic.

"No man can put a chain about the ankleof his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck." Frederick Douglas, former slave

"...in the absence of a constitution, men look entirely to party; and instead of principle governing party, party governs principle. An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

—Thomas Paine, A Dissertation on the First Principles of Government (1795)

Doesn't seem relevant. Entry into the Union is a federal obligation since 1808. All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. A simple fee or fine, can make that happen via capitalism.

No constitutional precedent for such an idea. Bottom line: you think if someone wants to come here, they can buy their way in?

Tourism is a form of Commerce, well regulated.

That is why, nobody on the left, takes the right wing seriously about Any Thing, apparently, unless it is specifically about guns.

 

[BrokeLoser]

You don’t want to play philosophy of retards do you? The British conquered and or bought this land..you should spend your days thanking God they did...that’s why you get your much needed free shit....Imagine what kind of shithole this place would be had your filthy brown people built this nation...look around the globe bud...Brown filth everywhere...they can’t run anything but their mouths.
Further....Ancient Siberian’s and wetbacks are not one and the same.

Meh, I travel down south and see what the country looks like when the Anglo White Trash is left to its own devices... It involves a lot of family trees that don't fork.

Isn’t Nicaragua, Mexico, Central and South America the incestual rape mecca of the world?
Don’t Joaquin and uncle Gustavo share daughters in the good ole boys clubs down there?
I mean fuck, those disgusting, subhuman savages hang people from bridges and behead each other with chainsaws...why wouldn’t they drill one another’s daughters...huh?