How can there ever be peace here?

Huh??? Are you referring to the land they squatted on in Israel?


Nice try. Home as in: the land their families owned pre-1947.

Israel didn't exist before 1947, so that's a no.

IMA DUNCE :lol:





Harvard University Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum

In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.

Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth.

Harvard University Semitic Museum: Jerusalem During The Reign Of King Hezekiah--New Exhibition At The Semitic Museum Re-Creates Numerous Aspects Of Ancient Israel Harvard Gazette: Jerusalem during the reign of King Hezekiah
The Semitic Museum has installed a new exhibition that brings the world of biblical Israel into vivid, three-dimensional reality. "The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine" immerses the viewer in Israelite daily life around the time of King Hezekiah (8th century B.C.), creating an experiential environment based on the latest archaeological, textual, and historical research.

The centerpiece of the exhibition is a full-scale Israelite house, open on one side, filled with authentic ancient artifacts that show how life was lived by common inhabitants of ancient Jerusalem. Agricultural tools, a cooking area, and a stall occupied by a single, scruffy ram fill the ground floor of the cube-shaped, mud-brick structure, which, thankfully, is not olfactorily authentic. The upper story, reached by a ladder, is devoted to eating and sleeping.

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel
In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.

The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press
 
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Oh now I get it. There was no Israel until 1947. Thats when they became the Israelites, right Ima?



Huh??? Are you referring to the land they squatted on in Israel?

Israel didn't exist before 1947, so that's a no.

That's irrelevant. Just because Jews called themselves after a tribe that was there a few thousand years ago or whatever, doesn't prove a connection. How about showing me a map of Israel's borders from between say, 1900 and 1940?
 
You want to go back to 1947? Let's go back further then. :)

The University of Haifa has deciphered the most ancient Hebrew writing, which pushes the date of Jewish writing abilities back to 400 years before the previous estimate. The 10th century BCE inscription on potsherd closely parallels the biblical commandment to provide justice to widows and orphans.

The text is nothing short of astonishing:
You shall not do [it], but worship the [Lord].
Judge the slave and the widow, Judge the orphan
[and] the stranger. Plead for the infant, plead for the poor [and]
the widow. Rehabilitate … at the hands of the king.
Protect the poor [and] the slave, support the stranger.
Religion, thus, seems to have been a major issue for Jews already three thousand years ago. Slaves had full access to courts—a thing unheard of even 29 centuries later—and there is no indication in the text that they were only Jewish slaves. Justice, as the Torah enjoins us, has indeed always been a major value among Jews.

Jews had full sovereignty on this Land around 1,000 BCE—so much that they recognized and accorded benevolent treatment to strangers. At that time, Jews were ruled by monarchs, contrary to the claims by biblical minimalists of the fictitious nature of the Chronicles.?

Jewish History in Israel

Israeli News: Jews wrote 3,000 years ago
 
You want to go back to 1947? Let's go back further then. :)

The University of Haifa has deciphered the most ancient Hebrew writing, which pushes the date of Jewish writing abilities back to 400 years before the previous estimate. The 10th century BCE inscription on potsherd closely parallels the biblical commandment to provide justice to widows and orphans.

The text is nothing short of astonishing:
You shall not do [it], but worship the [Lord].
Judge the slave and the widow, Judge the orphan
[and] the stranger. Plead for the infant, plead for the poor [and]
the widow. Rehabilitate … at the hands of the king.
Protect the poor [and] the slave, support the stranger.
Religion, thus, seems to have been a major issue for Jews already three thousand years ago. Slaves had full access to courts—a thing unheard of even 29 centuries later—and there is no indication in the text that they were only Jewish slaves. Justice, as the Torah enjoins us, has indeed always been a major value among Jews.

Jews had full sovereignty on this Land around 1,000 BCE—so much that they recognized and accorded benevolent treatment to strangers. At that time, Jews were ruled by monarchs, contrary to the claims by biblical minimalists of the fictitious nature of the Chronicles.?

Jewish History in Israel

Israeli News: Jews wrote 3,000 years ago

I'm not disputing that Jews where there 2000 or 3000 years ago, or whatever... But you're all arguing that Israel has been around continuously for that long. It hasn't. Otherwise, show me a map of Israel in say, 1915.
 
You want to go back to 1947? Let's go back further then. :)

The University of Haifa has deciphered the most ancient Hebrew writing, which pushes the date of Jewish writing abilities back to 400 years before the previous estimate. The 10th century BCE inscription on potsherd closely parallels the biblical commandment to provide justice to widows and orphans.

The text is nothing short of astonishing:
You shall not do [it], but worship the [Lord].
Judge the slave and the widow, Judge the orphan
[and] the stranger. Plead for the infant, plead for the poor [and]
the widow. Rehabilitate … at the hands of the king.
Protect the poor [and] the slave, support the stranger.
Religion, thus, seems to have been a major issue for Jews already three thousand years ago. Slaves had full access to courts—a thing unheard of even 29 centuries later—and there is no indication in the text that they were only Jewish slaves. Justice, as the Torah enjoins us, has indeed always been a major value among Jews.

Jews had full sovereignty on this Land around 1,000 BCE—so much that they recognized and accorded benevolent treatment to strangers. At that time, Jews were ruled by monarchs, contrary to the claims by biblical minimalists of the fictitious nature of the Chronicles.?

Jewish History in Israel

Israeli News: Jews wrote 3,000 years ago

I'm not disputing that Jews where there 2000 or 3000 years ago, or whatever... But you're all arguing that Israel has been around continuously for that long. It hasn't. Otherwise, show me a map of Israel in say, 1915.

IMA Dunce



Dunce, can you name one other nation established in Israel in the past 3000 years, except for the Jewish nation? No, I didn't think so.

Go sit in the dunce's corner.:badgrin:
 
Even the ancient Egyptian Merneptah Stele proves the existence of ancient Israel.

What has archaeology taught us about the origins of Israel? (the Merneptah Stela)

PBS Nova...
In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.

The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]
 
I have learned from Israel's enemies that the Bible is no proof of ancient Israel. "The Bible is just a book of fairy tales, first written by Jews & then by Christians." But how do they get around the proof provided by the ancient Egyptian Merneptah Stele? Damn those Egyptians!
 
Even the ancient Egyptian Merneptah Stele proves the existence of ancient Israel.

What has archaeology taught us about the origins of Israel? (the Merneptah Stela)

I'm not disputing that it was around a long time ago. I'm saying that Israel didn't exist in 1915, or did it? You got a map?
So it's like saying the US landmass completely belongs to some descendants of the nomadic tribe that was first here because they were here 7000 years ago. That's irrelevant to what's going on in recent history. I know you guys don't think so because that's your only argument. So hang on to it tightly!
 
Well now, lets be rational unbiased people & figure this land issue out together as to who is stealing who's land. Which came first, Solomon's Temple or the Al Asqa Mosque?


Even the ancient Egyptian Merneptah Stele proves the existence of ancient Israel.

What has archaeology taught us about the origins of Israel? (the Merneptah Stela)

I'm not disputing that it was around a long time ago. I'm saying that Israel didn't exist in 1915, or did it? You got a map?
So it's like saying the US landmass completely belongs to some descendants of the nomadic tribe that was first here because they were here 7000 years ago. That's irrelevant to what's going on in recent history. I know you guys don't think so because that's your only argument. So hang on to it tightly!
 
Even the ancient Egyptian Merneptah Stele proves the existence of ancient Israel.

What has archaeology taught us about the origins of Israel? (the Merneptah Stela)

I'm not disputing that it was around a long time ago. I'm saying that Israel didn't exist in 1915, or did it? You got a map?
So it's like saying the US landmass completely belongs to some descendants of the nomadic tribe that was first here because they were here 7000 years ago. That's irrelevant to what's going on in recent history. I know you guys don't think so because that's your only argument. So hang on to it tightly!
IMA DUNCE




Eminent Historian Sir Martin Gilbert, Author of 10 Books on Middle East History and History of Jerusalem

Jerusalem became the capital of the first Jewish kingdom in 1004 BC, over 3000 years ago. With the brief exception of the Crusader period, no other non-Jewish ruling power of Jerusalem made the city a capital but it was consistently a capital for the Jews. Driven into partial exile by Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BC, the Jews returned fifty years later and rebuilt Jerusalem as their capital. It was their capital, too, under the Maccabees. The unity of the city achieved in 1967, then, was more than a quirk of military geography. It was the fulfillment of unbroken historical longings.

In 1210, following the defeat of the Crusaders, groups of Jews began to return Jerusalem. Henceforth, without interruption, and in every decade, individual Jews and groups of Jews reached the city from the Maghreb [north Africa] and elsewhere forming an ever-growing community. Driven out by the Tartar invasion of 1244, they had returned by 1250. Three times a day the Jews repeated in their prayers, "And to Jerusalem Thy city mayest thou return to mercy, and dwell in its midst as Thou hast spoken, and rebuild it soon in our days for evermore

Areas from which some 300 Rabbis travelled to Jerusalem, Acre and Ramla in 1210 AD, to strengthen the Jewish communities weakened by the Crusader massacres and expulsions. Jews are known to have traveled from throughout the region to Jerusalem [after 1267], settling permanently and forming by 1841 the largest single community in Jerusalem.

1000 AD: Jews take part in the defence of Haifa against the Crusades

1099:AD: Jews take part in the defence of Jerusalem against the Crusaders

1211: Several Rabbis from France and England settle in Jerusalem

1267: Maimonides arrives in Jerusalem and establishes a synagogue . During the next 500 years, Jerusalem is reinstated as a centre of Jewish learning.

In 1500, there were an estimated 10,000 Jews living in the Safed region

1563: Establishment of a Hebrew printing press in Jerusalem, the first printing press on the Asian Continent

By 1880 the Jews formed the majority of the population Jerusalem

During the 17th and 18th centuries, many Jerusalem Jews, scholars and rabbis, travelled from Jerusalem to teach in Jewish communities elsewhere, and also to seek alms and charity for the poorer members of their own community. there was also a regular movement of families, in both directions, between Jerusalem and several towns of the eastern Mediterranean region

Jewish villages in Israel 1855--1914...

Deganya
Jerusalem
Safed
Tiberias
Kinneret
Merhavya
Zikhron Yacov
Ekron
Mikveh Israel
Rishon le-Zion
Ben Shemen
Rehovot
Hulda
Kastinia
Artuf
Hebron
Ruhama
Beer-Toviya
Hartuv
Gedera
Kfar Uriya
Motza
Nes Ziona
Beer Yaakov
Nahalat Yehuda
Mahane Yehuda
Ein Ganim
Petah Tikvah
Kfar Sava
Kfar Mahal
Hadera
Gan Shmuel
Nahliel
Karkur
Givat Ada
Bat Shelomo
Tantura
Shefeiya
Yavneel
Beit Gan
Kfar Tova
Poriya
Sejera
Menahemya
Beitanya
Mizpa
Kfar Hittim
Bnei Yehuda
Mishmar Hayarden
Ayelet Hashashar
Ein Zeitim
Metulla
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/GilbertsThe-Routledge-History-Historical-Hardcover/dp/B0041CNUIC/ref=sr_1_24?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333126978&sr=1-24]Amazon.com: Martin Gilbert'sThe Routledge Atlas of Jewish History (Routledge Historical Atlases) [Hardcover](2010): M., (Author) Gilbert: Books[/ame]
 
Gosh I wonder why Ima seems to have just disappeared?



Well now, lets be rational unbiased people & figure this land issue out together as to who is stealing who's land. Which came first, Solomon's Temple or the Al Asqa Mosque?


Even the ancient Egyptian Merneptah Stele proves the existence of ancient Israel.

What has archaeology taught us about the origins of Israel? (the Merneptah Stela)

I'm not disputing that it was around a long time ago. I'm saying that Israel didn't exist in 1915, or did it? You got a map?
So it's like saying the US landmass completely belongs to some descendants of the nomadic tribe that was first here because they were here 7000 years ago. That's irrelevant to what's going on in recent history. I know you guys don't think so because that's your only argument. So hang on to it tightly!
 
And Israel fires US built cluster miunitions into areas where those children live. The unexploded muintions have killed and maimed many Pali children when they see the shiny objects and pick them up.
Oh, that's funny. Who made that up?
 
American textbooks teach students to hate whites. So what if PA schools don't teach zionist propaganda, that's their business.
 
Gosh I wonder why Ima seems to have just disappeared?



Well now, lets be rational unbiased people & figure this land issue out together as to who is stealing who's land. Which came first, Solomon's Temple or the Al Asqa Mosque?


I'm not disputing that it was around a long time ago. I'm saying that Israel didn't exist in 1915, or did it? You got a map?
So it's like saying the US landmass completely belongs to some descendants of the nomadic tribe that was first here because they were here 7000 years ago. That's irrelevant to what's going on in recent history. I know you guys don't think so because that's your only argument. So hang on to it tightly!

I went looking for a map of israel in 1915. I couldn't find one. Now why is that?
 
Beats me. Let me see now, where is my map of Palestine in 1915?



Gosh I wonder why Ima seems to have just disappeared?



Well now, lets be rational unbiased people & figure this land issue out together as to who is stealing who's land. Which came first, Solomon's Temple or the Al Asqa Mosque?

I went looking for a map of israel in 1915. I couldn't find one. Now why is that?
 

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