How Can They Hate America???

[C_Clayton_Jones]

1. America was formed a 'the shining city on the hill.' It represented hope and opportunity for those not born into freedom and/or wealth.

a. “I now belong to the greatest and most moral country that ever existed on the earth. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights [practiced in] this graceful country allowed me to practice any religion or no religion and gave me human rights I could only [have] dreamed of under Islam. I am lucky and more than lucky, I am saved. I was never discriminated against even after 9/11.” From “Escaping Submission,” by Egyptian-born Nonie Darwish

b. "I lived for about a decade, on and off, in France and later moved to the United States. Nobody in their right mind would give up the manifold sensual, aesthetic and gastronomic pleasures offered by French savoir-vivre for the unrelenting battlefield of American ambition were it not for one thing: possibility.

You know possibility when you breathe it. For an immigrant, it lies in the ease of American identity and the boundlessness of American horizons after the narrower confines of European nationhood and the stifling attentions of the European nanny state, which has often made it more attractive not to work than to work. High French unemployment was never much of a mystery." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/opinion/04iht-edcohen.2.20587034.html



2. Yet....we are ruled by elites who hate the America of the Founders, the America of their birth...and have been able to co-opt huge constituencies to support them.

In a recent thread, blaming an administration of apologists for refusing to indict the heinous behavior carried out in the name of Islam...more acceptable in 7th century Saudi Arabia,....I wrote this:

'Democrats/Liberals have sold us out for their own benefit.'

This was the surprising response of one of the administration's supporters:

'That may be, just as it may be for all those who want to put their idea of Christianity above civil laws, but that isn't a threat in a plural society, strongly guarded by a written constitution and a Supreme Court that believes in upholding the prohibitions therein in an absolute manner.

'The only threat could come if more Scalias and Thomases were to be appointed.'
A Government View of Islam vs Muslims

WHAT?????


Wow.....how did the late, great Jurist Antonin Scalia get dragged into a discussion of an alien religion?

Here's how: Scalia and Thomas stand for the Founders.....they serve as proxy for America.


The only way to be opposed to Scalia and Thomas is to be opposed to the America envisioned by the Founders, an America where government's power is defined and restricted.....a view seen as the greatness of America by the rest of the free world.
It is what communists and all iterations of Leftists hate.


And what better proof of the title above.... How Can They Hate America???

This fails as a straw man fallacy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

And what better proof of the title above.... How Can They Hate America???

They don't. Stop spewing that sewage and stop making a fool of yourself. Your lies are getting boring.

Getting?

Her lies have been boring for years now.

 

[MikeK]

Any adherent of any variety of Marxist-based philosophy is generally accepted as being to the Left politically.

"Marxist-based philosophy" is a rather broad terrain. In fact, the further along in discussion of Marx's ideology political scholars venture the more complicated and contentious their arguments become. So to keep it simple, are you referring to increasing discontent with the inequitable distribution of the Nation's wealth resources?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Any adherent of any variety of Marxist-based philosophy is generally accepted as being to the Left politically.

"Marxist-based philosophy" is a rather broad terrain. In fact, the further along in discussion of Marx's ideology political scholars venture the more complicated and contentious their arguments become. So to keep it simple, are you referring to increasing discontent with the inequitable distribution of the Nation's wealth resources?

You know to what I am referring. I've no time to write you a book.

 

[MikeK]

Any adherent of any variety of Marxist-based philosophy is generally accepted as being to the Left politically.

"Marxist-based philosophy" is a rather broad terrain. In fact, the further along in discussion of Marx's ideology political scholars venture the more complicated and contentious their arguments become. So to keep it simple, are you referring to increasing discontent with the inequitable distribution of the Nation's wealth resources?

You know to what I am referring. I've no time to write you a book.

No need to write a book. You've explained your position quite succinctly.

Thank you.

 

[MikeK]

Those on the Left are not Americans, so they don't care.

The results of decades of their nonsense, crimes and subterfuge is the rise of nationalism, which makes even me a bit nervous. A bit of it is fine, but it can turn bad very fast.

Regardless, it is better than what our Democrat neo-Communistas offer.

Can you provide specific and substantial examples of the crimes, subterfuge and nationalism you've referenced?

What you say in most of your messages implies that anyone who does not share your political views is a criminal, a traitor and a communist. This is comparable to my saying you are a Nazi and a paid water-carrier for the One Percent without providing some substantive supportive evidence.

So far it seems your purpose here is to parrot what you are told by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and other right-wing, corporatist, multi-millionaire propagandists -- without really knowing what you are talking about.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Those on the Left are not Americans, so they don't care.

The results of decades of their nonsense, crimes and subterfuge is the rise of nationalism, which makes even me a bit nervous. A bit of it is fine, but it can turn bad very fast.

Regardless, it is better than what our Democrat neo-Communistas offer.

Can you provide specific and substantial examples of the crimes, subterfuge and nationalism you've referenced?

I note with interest that you left out nonsense. Again, no time to write you a book. Do a little research of your own.

What you say in most of your messages implies that anyone who does not share your political views is a criminal, a traitor and a communist.

You might point out where I have said that. I'd like to see it myself.

This is comparable to my saying you are a Nazi and a paid water-carrier for the One Percent without providing some substantive supportive evidence ... So far it seems your purpose here is to parrot what you are told by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and other right-wing, corporatist, multi-millionaire propagandists -- without really knowing what you are talking about.

Well, it seems you know what they're saying, therefore you must be far more aware of those sources than I.

"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

Open your other eye, Polyphemus.

 

[unno]

hey everyone, this topic... AMERICA !!!!!!! it is a joke to see what is going on in the US now. the land was stolen but we tend to forget that... anyways, who i am to judge??? but here is a very Interested video i came across on youtube... check it out...

it’s showing how the world is laughing at the Americans Election…

Who's gon' be the next comedian? Actor? Joke? Clown? Puppet? In the Circus? Is it Miss KILLERY? or the TRUMPET?
Check out this youtube link and see what the world is thinking of American...



thanks

1. America was formed a 'the shining city on the hill.' It represented hope and opportunity for those not born into freedom and/or wealth.

a. “I now belong to the greatest and most moral country that ever existed on the earth. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights [practiced in] this graceful country allowed me to practice any religion or no religion and gave me human rights I could only [have] dreamed of under Islam. I am lucky and more than lucky, I am saved. I was never discriminated against even after 9/11.” From “Escaping Submission,” by Egyptian-born Nonie Darwish

b. "I lived for about a decade, on and off, in France and later moved to the United States. Nobody in their right mind would give up the manifold sensual, aesthetic and gastronomic pleasures offered by French savoir-vivre for the unrelenting battlefield of American ambition were it not for one thing: possibility.

You know possibility when you breathe it. For an immigrant, it lies in the ease of American identity and the boundlessness of American horizons after the narrower confines of European nationhood and the stifling attentions of the European nanny state, which has often made it more attractive not to work than to work. High French unemployment was never much of a mystery." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/opinion/04iht-edcohen.2.20587034.html



2. Yet....we are ruled by elites who hate the America of the Founders, the America of their birth...and have been able to co-opt huge constituencies to support them.

In a recent thread, blaming an administration of apologists for refusing to indict the heinous behavior carried out in the name of Islam...more acceptable in 7th century Saudi Arabia,....I wrote this:

'Democrats/Liberals have sold us out for their own benefit.'

This was the surprising response of one of the administration's supporters:

'That may be, just as it may be for all those who want to put their idea of Christianity above civil laws, but that isn't a threat in a plural society, strongly guarded by a written constitution and a Supreme Court that believes in upholding the prohibitions therein in an absolute manner.

'The only threat could come if more Scalias and Thomases were to be appointed.'
A Government View of Islam vs Muslims

WHAT?????


Wow.....how did the late, great Jurist Antonin Scalia get dragged into a discussion of an alien religion?

Here's how: Scalia and Thomas stand for the Founders.....they serve as proxy for America.


The only way to be opposed to Scalia and Thomas is to be opposed to the America envisioned by the Founders, an America where government's power is defined and restricted.....a view seen as the greatness of America by the rest of the free world.
It is what communists and all iterations of Leftists hate.


And what better proof of the title above.... How Can They Hate America???

Heh-hehe, evidently the writer has never made it big, since folks that dream about the unlimited potential of a human, has never been associated with other aggressive wanna be's.. They will cut your nutz off to keep you off the top of the hill..........

 

[unno]

1. America was formed a 'the shining city on the hill.' It represented hope and opportunity for those not born into freedom and/or wealth.

a. “I now belong to the greatest and most moral country that ever existed on the earth. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights [practiced in] this graceful country allowed me to practice any religion or no religion and gave me human rights I could only [have] dreamed of under Islam. I am lucky and more than lucky, I am saved. I was never discriminated against even after 9/11.” From “Escaping Submission,” by Egyptian-born Nonie Darwish

b. "I lived for about a decade, on and off, in France and later moved to the United States. Nobody in their right mind would give up the manifold sensual, aesthetic and gastronomic pleasures offered by French savoir-vivre for the unrelenting battlefield of American ambition were it not for one thing: possibility.

You know possibility when you breathe it. For an immigrant, it lies in the ease of American identity and the boundlessness of American horizons after the narrower confines of European nationhood and the stifling attentions of the European nanny state, which has often made it more attractive not to work than to work. High French unemployment was never much of a mystery." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/opinion/04iht-edcohen.2.20587034.html



2. Yet....we are ruled by elites who hate the America of the Founders, the America of their birth...and have been able to co-opt huge constituencies to support them.

In a recent thread, blaming an administration of apologists for refusing to indict the heinous behavior carried out in the name of Islam...more acceptable in 7th century Saudi Arabia,....I wrote this:

'Democrats/Liberals have sold us out for their own benefit.'

This was the surprising response of one of the administration's supporters:

'That may be, just as it may be for all those who want to put their idea of Christianity above civil laws, but that isn't a threat in a plural society, strongly guarded by a written constitution and a Supreme Court that believes in upholding the prohibitions therein in an absolute manner.

'The only threat could come if more Scalias and Thomases were to be appointed.'
A Government View of Islam vs Muslims

WHAT?????


Wow.....how did the late, great Jurist Antonin Scalia get dragged into a discussion of an alien religion?

Here's how: Scalia and Thomas stand for the Founders.....they serve as proxy for America.


The only way to be opposed to Scalia and Thomas is to be opposed to the America envisioned by the Founders, an America where government's power is defined and restricted.....a view seen as the greatness of America by the rest of the free world.
It is what communists and all iterations of Leftists hate.


And what better proof of the title above.... How Can They Hate America???

hey there, this topic... AMERICA !!!!!!! it is a joke to see what is going on in the US now. the land was stolen but we tend to forget that... anyways, who i am to judge??? but here is a very Interested video i came across on youtube... check it out...

it’s showing how the world is laughing at the Americans Election…

Who's gon' be the next comedian? Actor? Joke? Clown? Puppet? In the Circus? Is it Miss KILLERY? or the TRUMPET?
Check out this youtube link and see what the world is thinking of American...



thanks

 

[PoliticalChic]

hey everyone, this topic... AMERICA !!!!!!! it is a joke to see what is going on in the US now. the land was stolen but we tend to forget that... anyways, who i am to judge??? but here is a very Interested video i came across on youtube... check it out...

it’s showing how the world is laughing at the Americans Election…

Who's gon' be the next comedian? Actor? Joke? Clown? Puppet? In the Circus? Is it Miss KILLERY? or the TRUMPET?
Check out this youtube link and see what the world is thinking of American...



thanks

1. America was formed a 'the shining city on the hill.' It represented hope and opportunity for those not born into freedom and/or wealth.

a. “I now belong to the greatest and most moral country that ever existed on the earth. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights [practiced in] this graceful country allowed me to practice any religion or no religion and gave me human rights I could only [have] dreamed of under Islam. I am lucky and more than lucky, I am saved. I was never discriminated against even after 9/11.” From “Escaping Submission,” by Egyptian-born Nonie Darwish

b. "I lived for about a decade, on and off, in France and later moved to the United States. Nobody in their right mind would give up the manifold sensual, aesthetic and gastronomic pleasures offered by French savoir-vivre for the unrelenting battlefield of American ambition were it not for one thing: possibility.

You know possibility when you breathe it. For an immigrant, it lies in the ease of American identity and the boundlessness of American horizons after the narrower confines of European nationhood and the stifling attentions of the European nanny state, which has often made it more attractive not to work than to work. High French unemployment was never much of a mystery." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/opinion/04iht-edcohen.2.20587034.html



2. Yet....we are ruled by elites who hate the America of the Founders, the America of their birth...and have been able to co-opt huge constituencies to support them.

In a recent thread, blaming an administration of apologists for refusing to indict the heinous behavior carried out in the name of Islam...more acceptable in 7th century Saudi Arabia,....I wrote this:

'Democrats/Liberals have sold us out for their own benefit.'

This was the surprising response of one of the administration's supporters:

'That may be, just as it may be for all those who want to put their idea of Christianity above civil laws, but that isn't a threat in a plural society, strongly guarded by a written constitution and a Supreme Court that believes in upholding the prohibitions therein in an absolute manner.

'The only threat could come if more Scalias and Thomases were to be appointed.'
A Government View of Islam vs Muslims

WHAT?????


Wow.....how did the late, great Jurist Antonin Scalia get dragged into a discussion of an alien religion?

Here's how: Scalia and Thomas stand for the Founders.....they serve as proxy for America.


The only way to be opposed to Scalia and Thomas is to be opposed to the America envisioned by the Founders, an America where government's power is defined and restricted.....a view seen as the greatness of America by the rest of the free world.
It is what communists and all iterations of Leftists hate.


And what better proof of the title above.... How Can They Hate America???

Heh-hehe, evidently the writer has never made it big, since folks that dream about the unlimited potential of a human, has never been associated with other aggressive wanna be's.. They will cut your nutz off to keep you off the top of the hill..........

Welcome to the board....and not a moment too soon!

"the land was stolen"

No it wasn't.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. America was formed a 'the shining city on the hill.' It represented hope and opportunity for those not born into freedom and/or wealth.

a. “I now belong to the greatest and most moral country that ever existed on the earth. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights [practiced in] this graceful country allowed me to practice any religion or no religion and gave me human rights I could only [have] dreamed of under Islam. I am lucky and more than lucky, I am saved. I was never discriminated against even after 9/11.” From “Escaping Submission,” by Egyptian-born Nonie Darwish

b. "I lived for about a decade, on and off, in France and later moved to the United States. Nobody in their right mind would give up the manifold sensual, aesthetic and gastronomic pleasures offered by French savoir-vivre for the unrelenting battlefield of American ambition were it not for one thing: possibility.

You know possibility when you breathe it. For an immigrant, it lies in the ease of American identity and the boundlessness of American horizons after the narrower confines of European nationhood and the stifling attentions of the European nanny state, which has often made it more attractive not to work than to work. High French unemployment was never much of a mystery." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/opinion/04iht-edcohen.2.20587034.html



2. Yet....we are ruled by elites who hate the America of the Founders, the America of their birth...and have been able to co-opt huge constituencies to support them.

In a recent thread, blaming an administration of apologists for refusing to indict the heinous behavior carried out in the name of Islam...more acceptable in 7th century Saudi Arabia,....I wrote this:

'Democrats/Liberals have sold us out for their own benefit.'

This was the surprising response of one of the administration's supporters:

'That may be, just as it may be for all those who want to put their idea of Christianity above civil laws, but that isn't a threat in a plural society, strongly guarded by a written constitution and a Supreme Court that believes in upholding the prohibitions therein in an absolute manner.

'The only threat could come if more Scalias and Thomases were to be appointed.'
A Government View of Islam vs Muslims

WHAT?????


Wow.....how did the late, great Jurist Antonin Scalia get dragged into a discussion of an alien religion?

Here's how: Scalia and Thomas stand for the Founders.....they serve as proxy for America.


The only way to be opposed to Scalia and Thomas is to be opposed to the America envisioned by the Founders, an America where government's power is defined and restricted.....a view seen as the greatness of America by the rest of the free world.
It is what communists and all iterations of Leftists hate.


And what better proof of the title above.... How Can They Hate America???

hey there, this topic... AMERICA !!!!!!! it is a joke to see what is going on in the US now. the land was stolen but we tend to forget that... anyways, who i am to judge??? but here is a very Interested video i came across on youtube... check it out...

it’s showing how the world is laughing at the Americans Election…

Who's gon' be the next comedian? Actor? Joke? Clown? Puppet? In the Circus? Is it Miss KILLERY? or the TRUMPET?
Check out this youtube link and see what the world is thinking of American...



thanks

It still wasn't.


Can I assume that you are a government school grad?

 

[unno]

do you know history?

 

[PoliticalChic]

do you know history?

I'll happily answer your question...perhaps you'd try to answer mine...Let me warn you, it may require a bit of self-reflection.

Here it is: how is it that government schooling turns out dunces like you

Don't you ever consider looking up what they've told you? Surely some nice adult will help you get a library card.




OK....here's your path out of ignorance:
The stone age savages who occupied this continent prior to European settlers had no claim to the land......nor did they expect to.

Case in point: prior to the arrival of the colonials, American's prior colonists, the Indians had no concept of private property, and it's meaning in advancing the liberty of all.


1. But didn't the colonists steal THEIR land?
No. They did no such thing.

"The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property,and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guilt masquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for the records show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


3. 1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)


The less astute...raise your paw.....have been trained to despise America and Americans, from the settlers to the current date.
Obama: 'They cling to guns or religion'




Soooo.....the answer is, yes....I know history.
Aren't you disappointed you can't make the same claim?

 

[unno]

i am not. i think you should search for the truth not what they teach you in school...

 

[PoliticalChic]

i am not. i think you should search for the truth not what they teach you in school...

So....you are a government school grad.

I provided links to each thing I posted.

You didn't. You provided the hot air they fill you with in Liberal school.



BTW...
"In the cases where native peoples did practice sustainable use of resources it was because they had developed the institution of private property, and the market, often as a result of contact with white settlers."
"Wild in Woods: The Myth of the Noble Eco-Savage," Robert Whelan, p. 37