How come Lincoln got away with shutting down hundreds of newspapers and jailed journalists

[bripat9643]

LOL- not surprised that our favorite slavery loving asshole responded to defend your slave states.

Quite a few of the die hard Lincoln opponents are also Confederate fanboys. They are not openly defending slavery- they just defend the 'rights' of States to pass laws to own slaves.

What was the greater abuse of governmental power- the greater expression of the denial of freedom and liberty- Lincoln's executive actions while in the midst of a war?

Or the actions of the Rebel states- and indeed of all of the slave states- in perpetuating the loss of freedom and liberty to millions of Americans?

The problem is that you seem to think two wrongs make a right.

I am certainly not defending the actions of slave states...AT ALL, for many reasons, the most important being that each slave state WHOLLY FAILED in discharging sole duty and purpose of government---to facilitate the individual's peaceful pursuit of happiness---all individuals. From a personal stand point, many like my gr. grandfather were disadvantaged to extreme poverty by the practice of slavery.

So, when you really get down to the heart of it, many innocent people suffered because of slavery, but many more died being compelled by their government to defend it to their detriment.

I know it's hard for communists to believe that objective, principled people exist in the world. You don't see a Goddamn one in the collectivist hive groups pushing for unbridled totalitarian government authority.

Syriusly admitted he has no principles. He believes the end justifies the means, even if it's mass murder.

Brippat admitted that he has no principals and loves slavery. He believes that nothing justifies the end of slavery and the loss of that slave property in the South.

When did I admit that?

When are you going to admit that your a shameless liar?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The lincoln cult will never admit the war was wrong because their whole welfare state empire is based on it.

If it had only been about slavery. I am so disappointed that it was NOT about slavery., because then I could justify it too.

It’s a bitch having principles. It would be so much easier if I didn’t.

 

[bripat9643]

Sorry 'tards- I got to run- I will leave you to your circle jerk defending the slave owning South and calling everyone who disagrees with you a 'commie'.

I have repeatedly, on this very thread, NOT defended the slave-owning South.

The people who believe that government should be bestowed with authority no individual would or should ever have my not realize their commie ways.

The first step in resolving personal problems (like being an unprincipled goose-stepper) is to admit that you have a problem.

I am here to help.

What Syriusly doesn't seem to understand is that through the Fugitive Slave Act the federal government enforced slavery right up to the end of the Civil War.

 

[Unkotare]

You can’t “invade” your own country. The war didn’t begin because of slavery, but the evil institution had a connection to everything the war was based on. By the end of the criminal uprising it was certainly about slavery as much as anything.

The war began because Slave owning states feared the end of slavery. While there were other issues too- slavery was at the heart of the reasons why the slave owning states attempted to secede. It is evident in their statements at the time- both before and after the election of Abraham Lincoln. The North did not enter the war because of slavery- but the South certainly did.

The war began when the rebels began firing on troops of the United States Army.

While Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- and campaigned on preventing the expansion of slavery- he was very clear that he would accept slavery in order to preserve the Union.

When the slave owning rebel states made it clear that they were going to proceed- Lincoln realized that freeing the slaves became a strategic decision that happened to mirror his own convictions.

Correct.

True mastery of a subject is the ability to boil it down to simple, powerful points. That you can't go beyond you've read more history books than I've seen (which you obviously have no way of knowing) and your response to consent of the governed and Locke was you have philosophy and political science degrees says you are NOT a master.

I have masters degrees in business and computer science, and my job is to make difficult concepts simple for management, the business and IT teams to understand, and I'm good at it. If I responded with your ridiculous crap about my degrees or that I've read books, I'd be escorted to the door

You missed the first lesson.

Agreed. You're a useless academic who worships your own shadow, I'm a bottom line business guy

Lesson one, listen more than you speak. That way, it’s easy to figure out who the biggest fool in the room is. Speak more than you listen, and it almost always turns out to be you.

 

[Unkotare]

Brippat admitted that he has no principals and loves slavery. He believes that nothing justifies the end of slavery and the loss of that slave property in the South.

War does justify the end of slavery. Too bad that wasn't the real purpose for Lincoln. His real purpose was government without consent.

You can't put aside your emotions regarding slavery long enough to see the wrongs committed on the other side. You really do support slavery, just not slavery based on race.

Am I wrong?

The lincoln cult will never admit the war was wrong because their whole welfare state empire is based on it.

The war was wrong. The traitorous confederate scum never should have started. Then they would not have had to be taught a lesson.

 

[bripat9643]

Brippat admitted that he has no principals and loves slavery. He believes that nothing justifies the end of slavery and the loss of that slave property in the South.

War does justify the end of slavery. Too bad that wasn't the real purpose for Lincoln. His real purpose was government without consent.

You can't put aside your emotions regarding slavery long enough to see the wrongs committed on the other side. You really do support slavery, just not slavery based on race.

Am I wrong?

The lincoln cult will never admit the war was wrong because their whole welfare state empire is based on it.

The war was wrong. The traitorous confederate scum never should have started. Then they would not have had to be taught a lesson.

They didn't start it, turd. Lincoln invaded Virginia, not the other way around.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Let’s assume there was no slavery.

Let’s assume the Southern States left the union because the union decided that free speech was no longer protected and started passing laws punishing criticism of the federal government or any fed gov official.

Would Lincoln be justified in forcing those states to remain via full-blown war?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The war was wrong. The traitorous confederate scum never should have started. Then they would not have had to be taught a lesson.

So, why not just let them leave?

 

[kaz]

The war began because Slave owning states feared the end of slavery. While there were other issues too- slavery was at the heart of the reasons why the slave owning states attempted to secede. It is evident in their statements at the time- both before and after the election of Abraham Lincoln. The North did not enter the war because of slavery- but the South certainly did.

The war began when the rebels began firing on troops of the United States Army.

While Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- and campaigned on preventing the expansion of slavery- he was very clear that he would accept slavery in order to preserve the Union.

When the slave owning rebel states made it clear that they were going to proceed- Lincoln realized that freeing the slaves became a strategic decision that happened to mirror his own convictions.

Correct.

True mastery of a subject is the ability to boil it down to simple, powerful points. That you can't go beyond you've read more history books than I've seen (which you obviously have no way of knowing) and your response to consent of the governed and Locke was you have philosophy and political science degrees says you are NOT a master.

I have masters degrees in business and computer science, and my job is to make difficult concepts simple for management, the business and IT teams to understand, and I'm good at it. If I responded with your ridiculous crap about my degrees or that I've read books, I'd be escorted to the door

You missed the first lesson.

Agreed. You're a useless academic who worships your own shadow, I'm a bottom line business guy

Lesson one, listen more than you speak. That way, it’s easy to figure out who the biggest fool in the room is. Speak more than you listen, and it almost always turns out to be you.

You still have nothing, huh?

 

[Unkotare]

Brippat admitted that he has no principals and loves slavery. He believes that nothing justifies the end of slavery and the loss of that slave property in the South.

War does justify the end of slavery. Too bad that wasn't the real purpose for Lincoln. His real purpose was government without consent.

You can't put aside your emotions regarding slavery long enough to see the wrongs committed on the other side. You really do support slavery, just not slavery based on race.

Am I wrong?

The lincoln cult will never admit the war was wrong because their whole welfare state empire is based on it.

The war was wrong. The traitorous confederate scum never should have started. Then they would not have had to be taught a lesson.

They didn't start it, turd. Lincoln invaded Virginia, not the other way around.

Your lies don’t change history, slavery advocate.

 

[Unkotare]

Correct.

True mastery of a subject is the ability to boil it down to simple, powerful points. That you can't go beyond you've read more history books than I've seen (which you obviously have no way of knowing) and your response to consent of the governed and Locke was you have philosophy and political science degrees says you are NOT a master.

I have masters degrees in business and computer science, and my job is to make difficult concepts simple for management, the business and IT teams to understand, and I'm good at it. If I responded with your ridiculous crap about my degrees or that I've read books, I'd be escorted to the door

You missed the first lesson.

Agreed. You're a useless academic who worships your own shadow, I'm a bottom line business guy

Lesson one, listen more than you speak. That way, it’s easy to figure out who the biggest fool in the room is. Speak more than you listen, and it almost always turns out to be you.

You still have nothing, huh?

Do you have any questions, little fella?

 

[Unkotare]

The war was wrong. The traitorous confederate scum never should have started. Then they would not have had to be taught a lesson.

So, why not just let them leave?

No scumbag slavers tear my country apart.

 

[Unkotare]

Let’s assume there was no slavery.

Let’s assume the Southern States left the union because the union decided that free speech was no longer protected and started passing laws punishing criticism of the federal government or any fed gov official.

Would Lincoln be justified in forcing those states to remain via full-blown war?

If there had been no slavery, there never would’ve been a civil war.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No scumbag slavers tear my country apart.

How Statist of your commie ass.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If there had been no slavery, there never would’ve been a civil war.

Then, why was there a war when no one had stopped it, nor had they intended to stop it, especially Lincoln.

First Inaugural Address of Lincoln:

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

"Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this and many similar declarations and had never recanted them; and more than this, they placed in the platform for my acceptance, and as a law to themselves and to me, the clear and emphatic resolution which I now read:

"Resolved, That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of power on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depend; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes.

:I now reiterate these sentiments, and in doing so I only press upon the public attention the most conclusive evidence of which the case is susceptible that the property, peace, and security of no section are to be in any wise endangered by the now incoming Administration. I add, too, that all the protection which, consistently with the Constitution and the laws, can be given will be cheerfully given to all the States when lawfully demanded, for whatever cause--as cheerfully to one section as to another."

If Lincoln didn't want to govern without the consent of entire sovereign states, there would have been no war.

 

[Rustic]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus… Unforgivable
Because the motherfucker was a dictator... fuck him

 

[Unkotare]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus… Unforgivable...

Take it up with Congress:

Habeas Corpus Suspension Act

 

[bripat9643]

Brippat admitted that he has no principals and loves slavery. He believes that nothing justifies the end of slavery and the loss of that slave property in the South.

War does justify the end of slavery. Too bad that wasn't the real purpose for Lincoln. His real purpose was government without consent.

You can't put aside your emotions regarding slavery long enough to see the wrongs committed on the other side. You really do support slavery, just not slavery based on race.

Am I wrong?

The lincoln cult will never admit the war was wrong because their whole welfare state empire is based on it.

The war was wrong. The traitorous confederate scum never should have started. Then they would not have had to be taught a lesson.

They didn't start it, turd. Lincoln invaded Virginia, not the other way around.

Your lies don’t change history, slavery advocate.

What "lies?" Are you claiming Lincoln didn't invade Virginia?

 

[bripat9643]

Let’s assume there was no slavery.

Let’s assume the Southern States left the union because the union decided that free speech was no longer protected and started passing laws punishing criticism of the federal government or any fed gov official.

Would Lincoln be justified in forcing those states to remain via full-blown war?

If there had been no slavery, there never would’ve been a civil war.

If Lincoln hadn't invaded Viirginia, there would have been no Civil War. You're like the abusive husband who says to his wife after he beats her "see what you made me do?"

 

[bripat9643]

The war was wrong. The traitorous confederate scum never should have started. Then they would not have had to be taught a lesson.

So, why not just let them leave?

No scumbag slavers tear my country apart.

It was their country too, douchebag. Who put you in charge of telling them what they are allowed to do?