How could progressivism and traditionalism ever be compatible?

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Progressivism seeks to tear down tradition and dismantle a culture brick by brick. Traditionalism seeks to uphold and defend these things.
Progressivism prioritizes immediate happiness through indulgence and liberation from obligation. Traditionalism prioritizes lasting fulfillment through temperance and obligation.
Progressivism views parenthood as a burden not unlike slavery, often recommending abuse or murder to free the unfortunate parents of its shackles. Traditionalism views parenthood as an important and irreplaceable part of life.
Progressivism views the family as a method of restricting promiscuity-based joy for women. Both traditionalist men and women call bullshit.
Progressivism views religion as a cancer that further restricts one's freedom to act without judgment. Traditionalism views religion as an important cultural institution even if it isn't literally true.
Progressivism celebrates degeneracy as a triumph of human freedom from oppressive social norms. Traditionalism diagnoses it as a disease to be contained and treated.
Progressivism is ultimately individualist. Traditionalism is traditionally collectivist.

How in the fuck do people get the idea that these two worldviews have any points of compatibility?

 

[Agit8r]

 

[Dale Smith]

Progressivism seeks to tear down tradition and dismantle a culture brick by brick. Traditionalism seeks to uphold and defend these things.
Progressivism prioritizes immediate happiness through indulgence and liberation from obligation. Traditionalism prioritizes lasting fulfillment through temperance and obligation.
Progressivism views parenthood as a burden not unlike slavery, often recommending abuse or murder to free the unfortunate parents of its shackles. Traditionalism views parenthood as an important and irreplaceable part of life.
Progressivism views the family as a method of restricting promiscuity-based joy for women. Both traditionalist men and women call bullshit.
Progressivism views religion as a cancer that further restricts one's freedom to act without judgment. Traditionalism views religion as an important cultural institution even if it isn't literally true.
Progressivism celebrates degeneracy as a triumph of human freedom from oppressive social norms. Traditionalism diagnoses it as a disease to be contained and treated.
Progressivism is ultimately individualist. Traditionalism is traditionally collectivist.

How in the fuck do people get the idea that these two worldviews have any points of compatibility?

The extreme left has been infiltrated with communists and that is a fact.....

 

[emilynghiem]

Progressivism seeks to tear down tradition and dismantle a culture brick by brick. Traditionalism seeks to uphold and defend these things.
Progressivism prioritizes immediate happiness through indulgence and liberation from obligation. Traditionalism prioritizes lasting fulfillment through temperance and obligation.
Progressivism views parenthood as a burden not unlike slavery, often recommending abuse or murder to free the unfortunate parents of its shackles. Traditionalism views parenthood as an important and irreplaceable part of life.
Progressivism views the family as a method of restricting promiscuity-based joy for women. Both traditionalist men and women call bullshit.
Progressivism views religion as a cancer that further restricts one's freedom to act without judgment. Traditionalism views religion as an important cultural institution even if it isn't literally true.
Progressivism celebrates degeneracy as a triumph of human freedom from oppressive social norms. Traditionalism diagnoses it as a disease to be contained and treated.
Progressivism is ultimately individualist. Traditionalism is traditionally collectivist.

How in the fuck do people get the idea that these two worldviews have any points of compatibility?

Dear Pedro de San Patricio:t
I am a Constitutionalist, who believes in traditional conservative values principles and upbringing.
I am also one of the most progressive liberal prochoice proinclusion of diversity
advocate I know.
You can ask me how I reconcile these things, but you may not like the answers if they threaten your viewpoints.
Personally since you and I have shared conversations in detail,
you don't seem to have issues with the approach I take.

It is totally possible to be prochoice and totally prolife and antiabortion,
but just using a prochoice approach to wipe out all causes of abortion without needing to make it illegal.

Like it is totally possible to be anti death penalty but without banning it as a choice,
and just focus on preventing crime and murder 100% so there is no capital punishment.

It is possible to be 100% for gun rights and military defense
and 100% against war and violence, and want diplomatic solutions to prevent aggression from escalating.

All these things can be achieved by free choice
and result in the outcomes that both the traditionalists want whether by conservative
values of limited govt, or by the progressive liberal goals of opening the
door to diversity and not enforcing the rules in ways that become coercive or exclusive.

Go ahead keep asking how to have both.
And then keep addressing all issues conflicts and objections
until you find answers and solutions that satisfy all sides.

That's how I have found all the best ideas, is by asking.

I find the best combination is keeping the strong focused
framework of govt based and limited by the Constitution,
then using that to organize and educate all groups and
districts to represent and govern themselves so diversity is included
and all people access equal opportunity for education training and equal empowerment.

We can have both unity and diversity.
Both rule of law and equal inclusion of all beliefs and interests.

All approaches can be exercised included and find their
place where they are applied toward areas that need that approach.

If you look at how an orchestra manages different types,
or a team in sports has different players in different roles,
that is how we need to orchestrate and manage govt.
By recognizing the roles and purpose we each best serve,
and working out plans to maximize our talents and resources.

You have faith Pedro, you can follow that,
ask and you shall receive,
knock and the door to knowledge wisdom and understanding
will be opened unto you.

Peace and God Bless
you are one of the peacemakers
who shall be called the children of God

The Kingdom is ours for the asking.
We just have to ask. So keep asking!

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Pedro de San Patricio[/USER]It is totally possible to be prochoice and totally prolife and antiabortion,
but just using a prochoice approach to wipe out all causes of abortion without needing to make it illegal.

Like it is totally possible to be anti death penalty but without banning it as a choice,
and just focus on preventing crime and murder 100% so there is no capital punishment.

It is possible to be 100% for gun rights and military defense
and 100% against war and violence, and want diplomatic solutions to prevent aggression from escalating.

Obviously just eliminating all filicide and crime would be the ideal. It's just not practical - especially with over half of the population celebrating these things as parts of a healthy, politically correct lifestyle.

 

[emilynghiem]

Pedro de San Patricio[/USER]It is totally possible to be prochoice and totally prolife and antiabortion,
but just using a prochoice approach to wipe out all causes of abortion without needing to make it illegal.

Like it is totally possible to be anti death penalty but without banning it as a choice,
and just focus on preventing crime and murder 100% so there is no capital punishment.

It is possible to be 100% for gun rights and military defense
and 100% against war and violence, and want diplomatic solutions to prevent aggression from escalating.

Obviously just eliminating all filicide and crime would be the ideal. It's just not practical - especially with over half of the population celebrating these things as parts of a healthy, politically correct lifestyle.

No Pedro de San Patricio
Nobody celebrates what is hurting our loved ones and communities.
All people want freedom from oppression, so that free will is what all sides are crying out about.
We just don't agree what to blame MORE for the cause of violence and oppression.
If everyone feels like victims, nobody wants to blame the victims.
So we go on witch hunts to pinpoint what target to blame that is most politically convenient.

We all know the old saying that pointing the finger at others
means pointing it to ourselves. It's a mutual problem, and the solutions are also mutual responsibility.

As for crime and the causes of it, yes we can address and reduce those.
Just because cancer is common and the treatments aren't always successful at preventing death
doesn't mean there isn't a cure. We keep researching until we understand all the causes so we can cure each one.
That's science. it's not impossible. As long as human problems are finite,
have a beginning cause and a pattern of escalation, we can study and solve these problems.

God gave us a conscience that can collect knowledge and compare over generations
and across cultures. So we can document these problems and focus on the causes and solutions.
just a matter of time. people want to avoid suffering and death, so we will find means to get what we want.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"How could progressivism and traditionalism ever be compatible?"

Wrong.

It’s pragmatism and reactionaryism which are not compatible, as the former is predicated on facts and the truth, and the latter predicated on fear, ignorance, and lies.

 

[Norman]

How is Nazism and Judaism compatible?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Pedro de San Patricio[/USER]It is totally possible to be prochoice and totally prolife and antiabortion,
but just using a prochoice approach to wipe out all causes of abortion without needing to make it illegal.

Like it is totally possible to be anti death penalty but without banning it as a choice,
and just focus on preventing crime and murder 100% so there is no capital punishment.

It is possible to be 100% for gun rights and military defense
and 100% against war and violence, and want diplomatic solutions to prevent aggression from escalating.

Obviously just eliminating all filicide and crime would be the ideal. It's just not practical - especially with over half of the population celebrating these things as parts of a healthy, politically correct lifestyle.

This is a lie.

No one ‘celebrates “filicide” and crime,’ the notion is unmitigated nonsense.

And respecting and defending the rights and protected liberties of all Americans has nothing to do with the myth of ‘being politically correct.’

 

[Ozone]

No one ‘celebrates “filicide” and crime,’ the notion is unmitigated nonsense.

you don't really know what ''unmitigated'' means, do you?

 

[SuperDemocrat]

I think you have two forces at work in a society where people have a lot of freedom to do what they want. Their is very little restraint placed on people on what they can do morally. They can pretty much do anything up to the point of breaking the law but legal acts that are deemed immoral people are free to pursue. Morality is going to get pushed around a little bit from time to time which may be kind of healthy.

On the other side, you have communist who have to destroy the traditional society in order to create their perfect man for that society. They kind of overlap each other so it is hard to tell what is happenning and why.

 

[Norman]

Pedro de San Patricio[/USER]It is totally possible to be prochoice and totally prolife and antiabortion,
but just using a prochoice approach to wipe out all causes of abortion without needing to make it illegal.

Like it is totally possible to be anti death penalty but without banning it as a choice,
and just focus on preventing crime and murder 100% so there is no capital punishment.

It is possible to be 100% for gun rights and military defense
and 100% against war and violence, and want diplomatic solutions to prevent aggression from escalating.

Obviously just eliminating all filicide and crime would be the ideal. It's just not practical - especially with over half of the population celebrating these things as parts of a healthy, politically correct lifestyle.

And respecting and defending the rights and protected liberties of all Americans has nothing to do with the myth of ‘being politically correct.’

Indeed it doesn't. The politically correct want to destroy those rights and turn America into 3rd world Marxist hell hole.

But I believe we are still making some progress here. Didn't you just a while ago claim that political correctness didn't exist?