How did the Universe get here?

[Boss]

What a bunch of nonsense thinking origins was not directed by something. Stop with the chemistry nonsense as well,for your information those chemicals that are found in the cell are soluble in water or would be destroyed by oxygen or the sun. A fully functioning cell is only produced by another fully functioning cell.

You can believe with a straight face it happened without direction ?

Who made god? Or are you suggesting with a straight face that he happened without direction?

Of course, you might be wondering where the first cell came from. A lot of people wonder about that. Since the first cells formed billions of years ago, and single cells don't leave fossils, that's a tough question. It's possible that there were a few different types of cells that formed around the same time. There's evidence that modern plant and animal cells are a result of two or more kinds of cells joining together.

Science has studied this and the only thing that is insane is to interject god as the answer. The honest answer is we don't know yet.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.” – Charles Darwin

Who made god?

Who made gravity? Who made energy? Who made light?

 

[itfitzme]

itfitzme's theory is, if science can't prove it, then it proves the opposite is true. Since science has never been able to create life with chemicals, the opposite must be true!

itfitzme theory proves God! Oh my!

You are an idiot. You have never put in the effort required to learn science and hypothesis testing yet constantly make statements about subject of which you have no knowlege.

If you have any actual intelligence, you have every oppprtunity to learm what hypothesis testing is.

You obviously maintain the common and absurd reasoning that if the existance of god cannot be proven false then there for it can be true which leads you directly to the position thatr it must and is true.

The fact of the manner is that if you claim that there is a live duck in the refrigerator and upon examination of the refrigerator, every item is determined to be belonging to the list of typical non-living grocery items then by default, your claim is proven false. With absolute certainty, by proving what is true, by its very nature, proves that the opposite is false

You have two choices, true and false.

The fact of the matter is that the existance of god is demonstratably false simply because it has repeatedly and continuously been demonstrated to not exist. Every manner of observation has failed to produce any evidence to support your absurd belief. Every manner of experiment and observation has revealed that the physical reality of space and is explainable, to the level of physically controlling the variable, and requires no additional entity. The most recent of experiments has been nailing down the energy level, the existance of, the Higgs boson. The existance of the Higgs boson, and thereby the reality of its effects, has been proven to a level of certainty of 1-(1/500000000). Get out your best calculator and tell us what 1-(1/500000000) is equal to. Once again, the existance of god has been demonstrated to not exist.

You can imagine all you like that somehow, some way, maybe god exists and therefore must exist, but that doesn't make it true anywhere but your over active imagination. Believing in a nonexistant entity of which no manner of experience has ever demonstrated as true, of which every mannernof observation and experience has demonstrated to be false, is simply a psychosis.

The fact of the matter is that the existance of god is demonstratably false simply because it has repeatedly and continuously been demonstrated to not exist. Every manner of observation has failed to produce any evidence to support your absurd belief.

We shall call this The Itfitzme Theory. Now let's apply this theory to the fact of the matter that every manner of observation has failed when it comes to life being created by chemical reactions or any other spontaneous natural means. Continuously, it has been demonstrated that life comes only from life. According to The Itfitzme Theory, spontaneous generation or abiogenesis is impossible and absurd. No evidence exists to support the belief. This means life originated through spiritual or metaphysical forces and can be considered a fact according to The Itfitzme Theory.

You can make up all the shit you like but it doesn't make it true. But this is the point. You have a habit of just making things up. Nowhere in hypothesis testing is there a rule that says that because god is demontratabley bullshit then eggs are made of cheese or biogenisis is true. Hypothesis testing tests one hypothesis at a time. Your the only one claiming that hypothesis testing applies how life began. But then, that is the point, that you make ignorant and uneducated statements.

You haven't even proven the life even "began". For all your ignorance, it may just as well have always existed.

So do tell, what is your proof that life ever had a beginning?

 

[sealybobo]

What a bunch of nonsense thinking origins was not directed by something. Stop with the chemistry nonsense as well,for your information those chemicals that are found in the cell are soluble in water or would be destroyed by oxygen or the sun. A fully functioning cell is only produced by another fully functioning cell.

You can believe with a straight face it happened without direction ?

Who made god? Or are you suggesting with a straight face that he happened without direction?

Of course, you might be wondering where the first cell came from. A lot of people wonder about that. Since the first cells formed billions of years ago, and single cells don't leave fossils, that's a tough question. It's possible that there were a few different types of cells that formed around the same time. There's evidence that modern plant and animal cells are a result of two or more kinds of cells joining together.

Science has studied this and the only thing that is insane is to interject god as the answer. The honest answer is we don't know yet.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.” – Charles Darwin

Who made god?

Who made gravity? Who made energy? Who made light?

Thank you for finally admitting you don't know.

 

[GISMYS]

What a bunch of nonsense thinking origins was not directed by something. Stop with the chemistry nonsense as well,for your information those chemicals that are found in the cell are soluble in water or would be destroyed by oxygen or the sun. A fully functioning cell is only produced by another fully functioning cell.

You can believe with a straight face it happened without direction ?

Who made god? Or are you suggesting with a straight face that he happened without direction?

Of course, you might be wondering where the first cell came from. A lot of people wonder about that. Since the first cells formed billions of years ago, and single cells don't leave fossils, that's a tough question. It's possible that there were a few different types of cells that formed around the same time. There's evidence that modern plant and animal cells are a result of two or more kinds of cells joining together.

Science has studied this and the only thing that is insane is to interject god as the answer. The honest answer is we don't know yet.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.” – Charles Darwin

Who made god?

Who made gravity? Who made energy? Who made light?

There was never a time when GOD WAS NOT,GOD is the Alpha and the Omega=the beginning and the end=GOD IS OUTSIDE OUR TIME!!

 

[sealybobo]

You are an idiot. You have never put in the effort required to learn science and hypothesis testing yet constantly make statements about subject of which you have no knowlege.

If you have any actual intelligence, you have every oppprtunity to learm what hypothesis testing is.

You obviously maintain the common and absurd reasoning that if the existance of god cannot be proven false then there for it can be true which leads you directly to the position thatr it must and is true.

The fact of the manner is that if you claim that there is a live duck in the refrigerator and upon examination of the refrigerator, every item is determined to be belonging to the list of typical non-living grocery items then by default, your claim is proven false. With absolute certainty, by proving what is true, by its very nature, proves that the opposite is false

You have two choices, true and false.

The fact of the matter is that the existance of god is demonstratably false simply because it has repeatedly and continuously been demonstrated to not exist. Every manner of observation has failed to produce any evidence to support your absurd belief. Every manner of experiment and observation has revealed that the physical reality of space and is explainable, to the level of physically controlling the variable, and requires no additional entity. The most recent of experiments has been nailing down the energy level, the existance of, the Higgs boson. The existance of the Higgs boson, and thereby the reality of its effects, has been proven to a level of certainty of 1-(1/500000000). Get out your best calculator and tell us what 1-(1/500000000) is equal to. Once again, the existance of god has been demonstrated to not exist.

You can imagine all you like that somehow, some way, maybe god exists and therefore must exist, but that doesn't make it true anywhere but your over active imagination. Believing in a nonexistant entity of which no manner of experience has ever demonstrated as true, of which every mannernof observation and experience has demonstrated to be false, is simply a psychosis.

The fact of the matter is that the existance of god is demonstratably false simply because it has repeatedly and continuously been demonstrated to not exist. Every manner of observation has failed to produce any evidence to support your absurd belief.

We shall call this The Itfitzme Theory. Now let's apply this theory to the fact of the matter that every manner of observation has failed when it comes to life being created by chemical reactions or any other spontaneous natural means. Continuously, it has been demonstrated that life comes only from life. According to The Itfitzme Theory, spontaneous generation or abiogenesis is impossible and absurd. No evidence exists to support the belief. This means life originated through spiritual or metaphysical forces and can be considered a fact according to The Itfitzme Theory.

You can make up all the shit you like but it doesn't make it true. But this the point. You have a habit of just making thing up. Nowhere in hypothesis testing is there a rule that says that because god is demontratabley bullshit then eg are made of cheese biogenisis is true. Hypothesis testing tests one hypothesis at a time. Your the only one claiming that hypothesis testing applies how life began. But then, that is the point, that you make ignorant and uneducated statements.

You haven't even proven the life even "began". For all your ignorance, it mwy just as well have always existed.

So do tell, what is your proof that life ever had a beginning?

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

 

[Youwerecreated]

What a bunch of nonsense thinking origins was not directed by something. Stop with the chemistry nonsense as well,for your information those chemicals that are found in the cell are soluble in water or would be destroyed by oxygen or the sun. A fully functioning cell is only produced by another fully functioning cell.

You can believe with a straight face it happened without direction ?

Who made god? Or are you suggesting with a straight face that he happened without direction?

Of course, you might be wondering where the first cell came from. A lot of people wonder about that. Since the first cells formed billions of years ago, and single cells don't leave fossils, that's a tough question. It's possible that there were a few different types of cells that formed around the same time. There's evidence that modern plant and animal cells are a result of two or more kinds of cells joining together.

Science has studied this and the only thing that is insane is to interject god as the answer. The honest answer is we don't know yet.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.” – Charles Darwin

We can't produce an explanation for the origins of God's creation and you want an explanation for the origins of God

 

[itfitzme]

What a bunch of nonsense thinking origins was not directed by something. Stop with the chemistry nonsense as well,for your information those chemicals that are found in the cell are soluble in water or would be destroyed by oxygen or the sun. A fully functioning cell is only produced by another fully functioning cell.

You can believe with a straight face it happened without direction ?

Who made god? Or are you suggesting with a straight face that he happened without direction?

Of course, you might be wondering where the first cell came from. A lot of people wonder about that. Since the first cells formed billions of years ago, and single cells don't leave fossils, that's a tough question. It's possible that there were a few different types of cells that formed around the same time. There's evidence that modern plant and animal cells are a result of two or more kinds of cells joining together.

Science has studied this and the only thing that is insane is to interject god as the answer. The honest answer is we don't know yet.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.” – Charles Darwin

Who made god?

Who made gravity? Who made energy? Who made light?

That's the first intelligent uttering you've made,

that you dunno

.

 

[sealybobo]

Who made god? Or are you suggesting with a straight face that he happened without direction?

Of course, you might be wondering where the first cell came from. A lot of people wonder about that. Since the first cells formed billions of years ago, and single cells don't leave fossils, that's a tough question. It's possible that there were a few different types of cells that formed around the same time. There's evidence that modern plant and animal cells are a result of two or more kinds of cells joining together.

Science has studied this and the only thing that is insane is to interject god as the answer. The honest answer is we don't know yet.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.” – Charles Darwin

Who made god?

Who made gravity? Who made energy? Who made light?

There was never a time when GOD WAS NOT,GOD is the Alpha and the Omega=the beginning and the end=GOD IS OUTSIDE OUR TIME!!

There was never a time when space WAS NOT,space is the Alpha and the Omega=the beginning and the end=space IS OUTSIDE TIME

I would say the universe but it has a beginning and end. But that doesn't mean another universe wasn't somewhere else before our universe. Here might have been empty space but unverses have always been and always will be. They are the beginning and end, not god.

 

[AVG-JOE]

What a bunch of nonsense thinking origins was not directed by something. Stop with the chemistry nonsense as well,for your information those chemicals that are found in the cell are soluble in water or would be destroyed by oxygen or the sun. A fully functioning cell is only produced by another fully functioning cell.

You can believe with a straight face it happened without direction ?

Who made god? Or are you suggesting with a straight face that he happened without direction?

Of course, you might be wondering where the first cell came from. A lot of people wonder about that. Since the first cells formed billions of years ago, and single cells don't leave fossils, that's a tough question. It's possible that there were a few different types of cells that formed around the same time. There's evidence that modern plant and animal cells are a result of two or more kinds of cells joining together.

Science has studied this and the only thing that is insane is to interject god as the answer. The honest answer is we don't know yet.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.” – Charles Darwin

Who made god?

Who made gravity? Who made energy? Who made light?

​

Excellent!!

NObody knows is the correct answer!

 

[percysunshine]

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

How can the probabilities of outcomes be determined for something where ignorance is the premis?

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[sealybobo]

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Or god.

 

[percysunshine]

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Or god.

Which you believe.

.

 

[itfitzme]

Someone ring me when the loony bin makes an attempt at proving that life had a beginning. When it comes to logic and reason, I'm not sure that they can even prove that they exist.

 

[percysunshine]

Someone ring me when the loony bin makes an attempt at proving that life had a beginning. When it comes to logic and reason, I'm not sure that they can even prove that they exist.

Shit happens.

.

 

[itfitzme]

Who made god? Or are you suggesting with a straight face that he happened without direction?

Of course, you might be wondering where the first cell came from. A lot of people wonder about that. Since the first cells formed billions of years ago, and single cells don't leave fossils, that's a tough question. It's possible that there were a few different types of cells that formed around the same time. There's evidence that modern plant and animal cells are a result of two or more kinds of cells joining together.

Science has studied this and the only thing that is insane is to interject god as the answer. The honest answer is we don't know yet.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.” – Charles Darwin

Who made god?

Who made gravity? Who made energy? Who made light?

​

Excellent!!

NObody knows is the correct answer!

See, now you are making up shit. You don't know. That doesn't equal that nobody knows.

 

[itfitzme]

Someone ring me when the loony bin makes an attempt at proving that life had a beginning. When it comes to logic and reason, I'm not sure that they can even prove that they exist.

Shit happens.

.

And that is one of the most fundamental tenants of statistics. Sometimes, shit just happens.

 

[edthecynic]

What a bunch of nonsense thinking origins was not directed by something. Stop with the chemistry nonsense as well,for your information those chemicals that are found in the cell are soluble in water or would be destroyed by oxygen or the sun. A fully functioning cell is only produced by another fully functioning cell.

You can believe with a straight face it happened without direction ?

Who made god? Or are you suggesting with a straight face that he happened without direction?

Of course, you might be wondering where the first cell came from. A lot of people wonder about that. Since the first cells formed billions of years ago, and single cells don't leave fossils, that's a tough question. It's possible that there were a few different types of cells that formed around the same time. There's evidence that modern plant and animal cells are a result of two or more kinds of cells joining together.

Science has studied this and the only thing that is insane is to interject god as the answer. The honest answer is we don't know yet.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.” – Charles Darwin

Who made god?

Who made gravity? Who made energy? Who made light?

Nobody!
Energy IS.

 

[Boss]

You are an idiot. You have never put in the effort required to learn science and hypothesis testing yet constantly make statements about subject of which you have no knowlege.

If you have any actual intelligence, you have every oppprtunity to learm what hypothesis testing is.

You obviously maintain the common and absurd reasoning that if the existance of god cannot be proven false then there for it can be true which leads you directly to the position thatr it must and is true.

The fact of the manner is that if you claim that there is a live duck in the refrigerator and upon examination of the refrigerator, every item is determined to be belonging to the list of typical non-living grocery items then by default, your claim is proven false. With absolute certainty, by proving what is true, by its very nature, proves that the opposite is false

You have two choices, true and false.

The fact of the matter is that the existance of god is demonstratably false simply because it has repeatedly and continuously been demonstrated to not exist. Every manner of observation has failed to produce any evidence to support your absurd belief. Every manner of experiment and observation has revealed that the physical reality of space and is explainable, to the level of physically controlling the variable, and requires no additional entity. The most recent of experiments has been nailing down the energy level, the existance of, the Higgs boson. The existance of the Higgs boson, and thereby the reality of its effects, has been proven to a level of certainty of 1-(1/500000000). Get out your best calculator and tell us what 1-(1/500000000) is equal to. Once again, the existance of god has been demonstrated to not exist.

You can imagine all you like that somehow, some way, maybe god exists and therefore must exist, but that doesn't make it true anywhere but your over active imagination. Believing in a nonexistant entity of which no manner of experience has ever demonstrated as true, of which every mannernof observation and experience has demonstrated to be false, is simply a psychosis.

The fact of the matter is that the existance of god is demonstratably false simply because it has repeatedly and continuously been demonstrated to not exist. Every manner of observation has failed to produce any evidence to support your absurd belief.

We shall call this The Itfitzme Theory. Now let's apply this theory to the fact of the matter that every manner of observation has failed when it comes to life being created by chemical reactions or any other spontaneous natural means. Continuously, it has been demonstrated that life comes only from life. According to The Itfitzme Theory, spontaneous generation or abiogenesis is impossible and absurd. No evidence exists to support the belief. This means life originated through spiritual or metaphysical forces and can be considered a fact according to The Itfitzme Theory.

You can make up all the shit you like but it doesn't make it true. But this is the point. You have a habit of just making things up. Nowhere in hypothesis testing is there a rule that says that because god is demontratabley bullshit then eggs are made of cheese or biogenisis is true. Hypothesis testing tests one hypothesis at a time. Your the only one claiming that hypothesis testing applies how life began. But then, that is the point, that you make ignorant and uneducated statements.

You haven't even proven the life even "began". For all your ignorance, it mwy just as well have always existed.

So do tell, what is your proof that life ever had a beginning?

Post #898 above. I answered your question.

Where is this hypothesis testing on life always existing? While you're at it, can you also produce the hypothesis testing which proves God doesn't exist?

The fact that you can use scientific terms in a sentence doesn't mean you aren't ignorant and uneducated. Here you went and formed your own "theory" of how science works, and I used your own theory to prove God exists. Science has been unable to prove life spontaneously generated or originated through chemical interaction. So according to your theory, this must mean God created life. Now you are trying to claim life always existed, which is not possible. You have no science to support that hypothesis.

 

[Boss]

Who made god? Or are you suggesting with a straight face that he happened without direction?

Of course, you might be wondering where the first cell came from. A lot of people wonder about that. Since the first cells formed billions of years ago, and single cells don't leave fossils, that's a tough question. It's possible that there were a few different types of cells that formed around the same time. There's evidence that modern plant and animal cells are a result of two or more kinds of cells joining together.

Science has studied this and the only thing that is insane is to interject god as the answer. The honest answer is we don't know yet.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.” – Charles Darwin

Who made god?

Who made gravity? Who made energy? Who made light?

Nobody!
Energy IS.

But the same can't be true for God?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

[MENTION=36773]Boss[/MENTION]

It is correct there is no "before" in a physical sense.

In a spiritual sense, there is no such thing as time.

Spirituality like religion and god is a human construct. It exists -- in the mind

The problem you are having is the same problem all Atheists have with God. You cannot conceive of any "existence" other than physical. You can't imagine a physical man sitting on a cloud, ruling over us with the Charlton Heston voice, so you believe this silly notion must not be "real" and in a physical sense, you are correct. All of your refutations of God are based on your limited understanding of physical nature and physical reality, which is all your mind can imagine there is.

You cannot prove that humans constructed spirituality. There is just not any evidence to make that conclusion, but since your mind is unable to imagine anything other than physical nature, you assume that must be the case. It's not the case. Humans are intrinsically connected to something greater than self... always have been, always will be. From the oldest human civilizations ever unearthed to the here and now, humans are overwhelmingly spiritual. Religions are man-made constructs, and they are prime evidence that humans make some kind of real spiritual connection to something greater than self.

There can be debate over what exactly that thing is, but one thing it's not is physical.

How strange the limits of your mind have you equating non belief in your nonsense to atheism.

Actually, spirituality...

try this definition:

1) of soul: relating to the soul or spirit, usually in contrast to material things
2) of religion: relating to religious or sacred things rather than worldly things
3) temperamentally or intellectually akin: connected by an affinity of the mind, spirit, or temperament

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"You cannot prove that humans constructed spirituality. There is just not any evidence to make that conclusion..."

Evidence to make conclusions 101

Imagine a soccer game, where the ball is invisible to you. If you watched the interections of the players, the grass and the slight spherical bulge in the net that happened when the goalie dived to the ground and the crowds cheered, you could conclude that there was something there, that gave meaning to all the rules of the game. To explain the universe, physicists need the absolute smallest building block, and the laws of physics.

The God Particle: Chapter 1: The Invisible Soccer Ball

Spirituality is not of the physical world: correct. It is of the mind. Things of the mind exist in the mind.

" From the oldest human civilizations ever unearthed to the here and now, humans are overwhelmingly spiritual." -- and have believed in the most absurd things the mind could conjure up.

btw, Dante believes there is something that drives the human mind to search and discover...