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believe is a verb...
belief =/= desire
back to the intelligence factor...
belief =/= desire
back to the intelligence factor...
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☭proletarian☭;1827930 said:First off, true belief is not a conscious choice. Secondly, choosing to disregard evidence contradicting your faith or lack of supporting evidence is choosing to not consider the facts and evidence in honesty, thereby proving my point.
Nope. That is your belief based on faith. You have no proof your theory is correct, yet you believe it is.
LEADING a church or faith is what makes you dishonest. Need examples? How's about Ted Haggard, Warren Jeffs, John Ensign, Larry Craig and all the others.
And that means the tens and hundreds of thousands of church and other leaders in every faith are dishonest? That smacks of an intellectual bias against all faith, thereby tainting your judgment. Have you ever met a church leader you considered honest?
First, I wan to know from proletarian how it is possible to not be conscious about what you believe? In order for a belief to keep going, it has to be thought about CONSCIOUSLY.
As far as every leader being dishonest? I didn't say that. I said that LEADING is what causes trouble.
What? You've never heard the maxim that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely?
It's true you know. Especially in the cases where people decide to abuse their power.
But........not everyone does that.
Have I personally ever met a church leader I would consider honest?
No. Why? They all tell me there is only 1 way to God. Hate to tell 'em, but there's a LOT more than just 1.
Judaism, Taoism, Hinduism, Native American beliefs...............
No, Yeshua isn't the only way to God.
If they refuse to consider the available evidence in honesty, yes.
While I can't speak for all of them, I know that this is the case with many of those I've encountered.
I have not. They were all willfully ignorant and refused to hear out, seek out, or consider new evidence. They were looking for God, not truth, and they had no interest on any sign that they were headed in the wrong direction.
Why is that video irrelevant? Because YOU don't believe it has any credence?
Remember.......they told the Wright Brothers that flight was impossible.
What is truth for someone over in Utah is exceedingly irrelevant when you're on the island of Ibiza during the summer.
Might wanna try to loosen your bias dude.
The video is irrelevant because they point out how life starts but fail to recognize the power behind it. Claiming it organized into life all by itself. "Evolve" is the popular word they use.
There is an intelligence at the base of every creation and anti religious zealots hate to admit that there is a creative power behind all this.
That is why it is irrelevant. Btw, I thought your supposed claim to Judaism makes you a creationist. What side of the fence are you on "dude"? And who's from Utah in this conversation? Better czech your bias "homey".
☭proletarian☭;1830280 said:☭proletarian☭;1823196 said:Yet the mountain doesn't exist until someone sees the world in which it resides.
Physics will really fuck with your philosophy.
Great, a tree falling in the forest guy. A guy who at times has argued away his own existence because someone else hasn't seen him. His credibility is therefore nonexistent until someone can actually witness it.
All things exist in all states until the wave function collapses
☭proletarian☭;1830280 said:Great, a tree falling in the forest guy. A guy who at times has argued away his own existence because someone else hasn't seen him. His credibility is therefore nonexistent until someone can actually witness it.
All things exist in all states until the wave function collapses
Wrong. Things exist that we don't know about. Planets are out there we haven't discovered, but they are there whether your phony theory says so or not.
☭proletarian☭;1830281 said:Do you have anything to back up your blanket accusation?☭proletarian☭;1822906 said:I have no respect for you at all if your mind is completely closed to new evidence,
Oh really, so you're willing to look at new evidence? This should be good. Most established scientists have a hard time accepting new evidences when it conflicts with their agendas, dogmas and preconceived notions.
☭proletarian☭;1823868 said:You're still assuming it exists at all.
I suggest looking up logical positivism (the foundation of my philosophical perspective)
Ok socrates, maybe I can help you a little with your condition. Just because certain societies didn't know pluto existed 2000 years ago, doesn't mean Pluto didn't exist capeesh?
What has Mickey Mouse's dog got to do with this?
☭proletarian☭;1830343 said:☭proletarian☭;1823893 said:And saying 'love me or I'll throw you into lava and let you burn forever' isn't spiritual cooercion that invalidates the basic premise of that 'love'?
You just deconstructed the entire Abrahamic religion in all its forms.
You understand so little of the love of God. God doesn't threaten us. He warns us of the consequences of our actions.
'I wasn't threatening the store clerk with the gun, I was just warning him that the consequence of not giving the money would be me shooting him in his fucking face.'
riiiiight....
4. Scientists, still ignore that the world is heating up clinging to old dogmas that man cannot affect climate change with his pollution.
☭proletarian☭;1830343 said:You understand so little of the love of God. God doesn't threaten us. He warns us of the consequences of our actions.
'I wasn't threatening the store clerk with the gun, I was just warning him that the consequence of not giving the money would be me shooting him in his fucking face.'
riiiiight....
So you think God is a criminal? So did the Jews.
Nobody needed to. It's common knowledge in some parts of the world.Who said there was?
Dog. that was easy. Let's do another one....This is fun...Can you show me where I can find an anti-cat?
I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)Einstein didn't believe in personal god, btw.
We're back to the honesty thing
☭proletarian☭;1830497 said:believe is a verb...
belief =/= desire
back to the intelligence factor...
Failing to recognize the power behind it? By whose definition? Yours? What about the Hindus, Judaic theology, Tao, or any other religion that recognizes something bigger than mankind? Are you saying that all those are "wrong" because they don't fit in your narrow view?
And.........everything evolves dude.........even mankind, because currently, we are living longer, having more worthwhile years packed into the years before we die (and yes, you can say it's because we have better medicine, but, we've also adapted as we've gotten taller and mature earlier).
Computers evolve. Phones evolve, the way we do things, all of it evolves.
Ok then. Do you believe in Creation or not?And........I never said that I was Jewish. I stated that I was a B'nei Noach, which is someone that studies Torah, without having converted to Judaism.
Ok so then what conclusions have you drawn and why, to stay on topic?By the way, I've always claimed that I was a Taoist. It's in my tagline.
Oh yeah.......as far as the Utah comment? I know that you're currently in California, but the whole point was using a group of people who would have absolutely no idea how to act in Palma or Ibiza, because their narrow views would force them to have their brains explode and leak out their ears.
No you couldn't because Amish don't expand their views or look for new revelations and science and restrict the freedoms of their paritioners and any contact with the outside world. Quite a bad comparison.I could have just as easily used Amish
or any other really restrictive religion, but, because your Moron ass was here, I decided to use Moronism.
By the way TS, might wanna drop the gangster tough guy act, because you definitely ain't got the chops for it.
I'm just looking out for you dude, because if you tried that on the street, you'd have your ass handed to you.
☭proletarian☭;1830280 said:All things exist in all states until the wave function collapses
Wrong. Things exist that we don't know about. Planets are out there we haven't discovered, but they are there whether your phony theory says so or not.
Apparently you've never heard of Schrodenger's kitten or the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
Pity that Morons don't have better educations.
☭proletarian☭;1830674 said:Whether historians change their story has nothing to do with science. The carbon dating is science; the rest is politics among historians.
Genetics establishes the connection between NA tribes and eastern asians.
4. Scientists, still ignore that the world is heating up clinging to old dogmas that man cannot affect climate change with his pollution.
Like I said earlier about religion and the warmers...
Wrong. Things exist that we don't know about. Planets are out there we haven't discovered, but they are there whether your phony theory says so or not.
Apparently you've never heard of Schrodenger's kitten or the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
Pity that Morons don't have better educations.
I don't need any more phony sophistry to tell me that there are things that exist whether I think they do or not. What is wrong with you people? It must be the drugs.