How do native western Europeans feel?

[GLASNOST]

Yes I agree. It is a huge comfort to know that all terrorist activity takes place in Iraq rather than across the world. A massive benefit that I somehow overlooked.

You're in good form, Tommy.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

If Bush and Blair are 'war criminals', then you must judge Churchill similarly. After all, he had the temerity to tackle Hitler's Reich ... why, how belligerent of him !

Fact is, Tommy, that just for the sake of sheer decency, there are times when rogue monsters have to be taken on and defeated. Sheer humanity demands it.

Saddam was indeed a monster. But you PC Lefties, back in 2003, went out on the streets in your millions to DEFEND his regime from harm, didn't you ? Where was your 'enlightened humanity' when you lot did that ? Did it take a highly convenient hike ?

But if you want to be selfish about it ... consider that Saddam was a friend to terrorists. He did dodgy deals with them. He even bankrolled Hamas, and their own murderous activities. Such a monster, with WMD's (we had no way of establishing what his stocks were, pre-invasion) could've done a deal to release some to terrorists. No responsible nation on earth, empowered to act, could possibly tolerate that state of affairs and do NOTHING about it.

OK - Iraq turned out to be a lot messier than first thought. But at least it became a focus for terrorist groups, meaning that we could tie them up THERE, rather than have them wage their terrorist wars HERE. Think on that, Tommy.

Yes I agree. It is a huge comfort to know that all terrorist activity takes place in Iraq rather than across the world. A massive benefit that I somehow overlooked.

Some certainly does, to this day. These are terrorists who fight THERE, rather than HERE.

But some takes place elsewhere. Such as, in places like Brussels, or Paris. There are those who'd argue that ISIS is a Middle East problem, with ISIS interested in grabbing territory over there. But, also, ISIS proves the point that if any complacency is shown to Middle Eastern terrorism, or its sources, it'll overspill into our own back yard.

But perhaps you don't mind that, and you'd still much rather we were soft on belligerents overseas. Because otherwise, if we do something, those leading such a fight might also somehow become 'war criminals' in the eyes of the jaundiced, delusional Left ....

Since we created these "terrorists" we can't really complain when they leave their playing field and come into ours.

You miss the point. They are "born terrorists" because their "culture" tells them to kill westerners. So whatever we do to them makes no difference. Apparently.

Maybe we sould buy them schools and teachers so they'll be able to read the Quran for themselves? At the moment these are paid for by Saudi Arabia, the most extremist Islamist fanatics on the planet....and an ally of ours

Yes, what a radical idea.

 

[Phoenall]

I was referring to, and thinking of, the old days of the British Empire ... not the things you're talking about.

George Bush isn't British, and we Brits have had no control over what choices and decisions he came up with. '10 Washington Street' .. ? Where's that ?

As for Tony Blair ... Blair, since you refer to Afghanistan and Iraq, reacted to events on the world stage. Let me ask you in turn .. have you heard of 9/11 ? The attack on America, on 11th September, 2001 ?

If you have -- tell me. Do you think there should've been no countering reaction to that terrorist attack ?

Do you think that the terrorists responsible (Al Qaeda) should never have been attacked, in Afghanistan ? Should they have got away with it ? Should all the terrorist training camps dotted across Afghanistan have been left alone ??

As for Iraq - Saddam, contrary to some PC Leftie escapism, was actually NOT a nice man. He definitely did have a stock of WMD's .. he used one of them to gas the Kurds. He refused to be accountable for WMD stocks, so, ultimately, action had to be taken against his regime. Bush and Blair did the responsible thing and acted, rather than let that 'do they have them or don't they ?' farce continue on indefinitely.

Better to overturn rogue regimes, ones friendly with terrorists and brutal with it .. than bury one's head in the sand and hope the problem will just go away ... yes .. ??

Think Neville Chamberlain. And consider Hitler's behaviour. Tell me that history advises us to be soft on brutal dictators !

Breathtakingly dishonest.
Where is anyone saying that Sadaam was a good man ?
He was a monster but he was no threat to us.
If those idiots had gone into Iraq with a proper plan then it might have been justified.
But they didnt. And we are now left to pick up the pieces.
Blair and Bush are war criminals and should be in jail.

And you are a prosecutor for the ICC/ICJ are you to make that declaration.

Would you also say that the whole labour leadership were war criminals as well because thy did not oppose the invasion of iraq, and instead voted along the party line.

How about the members that voted Brown as the next leader knowing he was a pedophile and responsible for Blair being forced into Iraq by the US.

Parliament voted on a pack of lies presented by Blair.

You will need to provide evidence of Gordon Browns crimes and that labour members knew about it.

I look forward to reading that.

Still does not make him a war criminal because you say so, you dont have the authority.

Operation Ore which named him as one of the buyers, and then this Revealed: British Premier Gordon Brown Is A Pedophile

Oh dear. What does David Icke say about all of this ?

About what, it is one of the neo marxists favorite sites as it supports islamic terrorism

 

[Phoenall]

I was referring to, and thinking of, the old days of the British Empire ... not the things you're talking about.

George Bush isn't British, and we Brits have had no control over what choices and decisions he came up with. '10 Washington Street' .. ? Where's that ?

As for Tony Blair ... Blair, since you refer to Afghanistan and Iraq, reacted to events on the world stage. Let me ask you in turn .. have you heard of 9/11 ? The attack on America, on 11th September, 2001 ?

If you have -- tell me. Do you think there should've been no countering reaction to that terrorist attack ?

Do you think that the terrorists responsible (Al Qaeda) should never have been attacked, in Afghanistan ? Should they have got away with it ? Should all the terrorist training camps dotted across Afghanistan have been left alone ??

As for Iraq - Saddam, contrary to some PC Leftie escapism, was actually NOT a nice man. He definitely did have a stock of WMD's .. he used one of them to gas the Kurds. He refused to be accountable for WMD stocks, so, ultimately, action had to be taken against his regime. Bush and Blair did the responsible thing and acted, rather than let that 'do they have them or don't they ?' farce continue on indefinitely.

Better to overturn rogue regimes, ones friendly with terrorists and brutal with it .. than bury one's head in the sand and hope the problem will just go away ... yes .. ??

Think Neville Chamberlain. And consider Hitler's behaviour. Tell me that history advises us to be soft on brutal dictators !

Breathtakingly dishonest.
Where is anyone saying that Sadaam was a good man ?
He was a monster but he was no threat to us.
If those idiots had gone into Iraq with a proper plan then it might have been justified.
But they didnt. And we are now left to pick up the pieces.
Blair and Bush are war criminals and should be in jail.

And you are a prosecutor for the ICC/ICJ are you to make that declaration.

Would you also say that the whole labour leadership were war criminals as well because thy did not oppose the invasion of iraq, and instead voted along the party line.

How about the members that voted Brown as the next leader knowing he was a pedophile and responsible for Blair being forced into Iraq by the US.

Parliament voted on a pack of lies presented by Blair.

You will need to provide evidence of Gordon Browns crimes and that labour members knew about it.

I look forward to reading that.

Still does not make him a war criminal because you say so, you dont have the authority.

Operation Ore which named him as one of the buyers, and then this Revealed: British Premier Gordon Brown Is A Pedophile

Rense.com is your source for this? Well if any of it was true, I'd have thought the Tories would have had a field day naming and shaming all those nasty Labour paedos using Parliamentary privilage to do so. Or have they got something to hide as well? As for Operation Ore, that was a joke.
Operation Ore exposed

Still has a "D" notice on it which means it cant be disclosed by the British media.

They all have something to hide which is why they cant get a Judge to chair the inquiry, it could bring the whole house of commons down like a card house.

 

[Phoenall]

How about ..... Brown .... a pedophile and responsible for Blair being forced into Iraq by the US.

Forced because Brown is a pedophile ..... or because the Americans stuffed slivers of bamboo under his phoenails? I think 'forced' is too strong a word. I would say bribed, blackmailed, coerced. But then again I've heard him speak, Blair. He had the same opaque curtain over his eyes as Bush did. A liar - right down to the centre of his soul.

Perhaps we give him too much credit by assuming he was dupped.

Forced by threatening to expose the labour party cabinet members as being involved in child porn. Some of the details are coming out now like the labour M.P's who signed a letter supporting the scrapping of the age of consent sent to PIE.

 

[GLASNOST]

How about ..... Brown .... a pedophile and responsible for Blair being forced into Iraq by the US.

Forced because Brown is a pedophile ..... or because the Americans stuffed slivers of bamboo under his phoenails? I think 'forced' is too strong a word. I would say bribed, blackmailed, coerced. But then again I've heard him speak, Blair. He had the same opaque curtain over his eyes as Bush did. A liar - right down to the centre of his soul.

Perhaps we give him too much credit by assuming he was dupped.

Forced by threatening to expose the labour party cabinet members as being involved in child porn. Some of the details are coming out now like the labour M.P's who signed a letter supporting the scrapping of the age of consent sent to PIE.

I am not prepared to believe that UK government would commit it's nation to an illegal war and murder a million innocent men, women, and children ….. just to avoid whispers in the corridor over what most of the world already knows to be public school standard practices.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Breathtakingly dishonest.
Where is anyone saying that Sadaam was a good man ?
He was a monster but he was no threat to us.
If those idiots had gone into Iraq with a proper plan then it might have been justified.
But they didnt. And we are now left to pick up the pieces.
Blair and Bush are war criminals and should be in jail.

And you are a prosecutor for the ICC/ICJ are you to make that declaration.

Would you also say that the whole labour leadership were war criminals as well because thy did not oppose the invasion of iraq, and instead voted along the party line.

How about the members that voted Brown as the next leader knowing he was a pedophile and responsible for Blair being forced into Iraq by the US.

Parliament voted on a pack of lies presented by Blair.

You will need to provide evidence of Gordon Browns crimes and that labour members knew about it.

I look forward to reading that.

Still does not make him a war criminal because you say so, you dont have the authority.

Operation Ore which named him as one of the buyers, and then this Revealed: British Premier Gordon Brown Is A Pedophile

Rense.com is your source for this? Well if any of it was true, I'd have thought the Tories would have had a field day naming and shaming all those nasty Labour paedos using Parliamentary privilage to do so. Or have they got something to hide as well? As for Operation Ore, that was a joke.
Operation Ore exposed

Still has a "D" notice on it which means it cant be disclosed by the British media.

They all have something to hide which is why they cant get a Judge to chair the inquiry, it could bring the whole house of commons down like a card house.

Ah. Thanks for that. That must be the reason that no news agency has covered this important story. Explains everything.

 

[The Great Goose]

 

[GLASNOST]

Scheiße!

 

[Drummond]

How about ..... Brown .... a pedophile and responsible for Blair being forced into Iraq by the US.

Forced because Brown is a pedophile ..... or because the Americans stuffed slivers of bamboo under his phoenails? I think 'forced' is too strong a word. I would say bribed, blackmailed, coerced. But then again I've heard him speak, Blair. He had the same opaque curtain over his eyes as Bush did. A liar - right down to the centre of his soul.

Perhaps we give him too much credit by assuming he was dupped.

Forced by threatening to expose the labour party cabinet members as being involved in child porn. Some of the details are coming out now like the labour M.P's who signed a letter supporting the scrapping of the age of consent sent to PIE.

I am not prepared to believe that UK government would commit it's nation to an illegal war and murder a million innocent men, women, and children ….. just to avoid whispers in the corridor over what most of the world already knows to be public school standard practices.

I am not prepared to believe that the UK Government committed its nation to an illegal war ... at all.

 

[GLASNOST]

I am not prepared to believe that UK government would commit it's nation to an illegal war and murder a million innocent men, women, and children ….. just to avoid whispers in the corridor over what most of the world already knows to be public school standard practices.

I am not prepared to believe that the UK Government committed its nation to an illegal war ... at all.

You're having problems with ..... 'commitment' .... or 'illegal'?

 

[Abishai100]

DANDELION: Hubris

Muslim expansion offends those focused on the presentation comforts of Western Christianity-based power monarchies.

 

[GLASNOST]

DANDELION: Hubris

Muslim expansion offends those focused on the presentation comforts of Western Christianity-based power monarchies.



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And yet no one notices the irony.

 

[Drummond]

I am not prepared to believe that UK government would commit it's nation to an illegal war and murder a million innocent men, women, and children ….. just to avoid whispers in the corridor over what most of the world already knows to be public school standard practices.

I am not prepared to believe that the UK Government committed its nation to an illegal war ... at all.

You're having problems with ..... 'commitment' .... or 'illegal'?

I thought I'd made myself clear. My chief 'problem' is accepting it was ever an 'illegal' war.

Seems to me that those suggesting it was illegal only do so because it serves the argument they want to advance, and not because it was actually true. The Government of the day took legal advice and were assured that they were on safe legal ground in doing what they did.

 

[GLASNOST]

.... My chief 'problem' is accepting it was ever an 'illegal' war..

You most certainly have a problem all right.

 

[Mindful]

If Bush and Blair are 'war criminals', then you must judge Churchill similarly. After all, he had the temerity to tackle Hitler's Reich ... why, how belligerent of him !

Some people do think Churchill was a war criminal.

Germans call Churchill a war criminal

Germans would.

 

[Drummond]

.... My chief 'problem' is accepting it was ever an 'illegal' war..

You most certainly have a problem all right.

Yes. My problem is that I don't swallow Leftie propaganda. At the time, it was accepted as legal. It was only questioned in those terms by Lefties with an agenda (the agenda being to save Saddam from ever being attacked !), and the doubts didn't stick. They only gain traction many years after the event, and only after memories have dimmed and the erosive effect of propaganda efforts have had time to make their mark.

 

[Esmeralda]

Yesterday night i had a dream i saw lots of muslims praying in the streets, and they gave me a quran, after that they threatened that i need to be muslim and in the end they stabbed me with a knife and they tortured my mum (in the dream) i woke up and i realised this is the reality in many bigger European Cities like Paris and London and Brussels and Cologne etc already. Not that im against muslims, im totally no, just wanted to discuss, and see how others feel about the situation. Im actually neither right nor left, neither anti nor pro immigration. Its just a thought.

Your dream is not a reality in any European city. Get a grip.

 

[Mindful]

.... My chief 'problem' is accepting it was ever an 'illegal' war..

You most certainly have a problem all right.

Yes. My problem is that I don't swallow Leftie propaganda. At the time, it was accepted as legal. It was only questioned in those terms by Lefties with an agenda (the agenda being to save Saddam from ever being attacked !), and the doubts didn't stick. They only gain traction many years after the event, and only after memories have dimmed and the erosive effect of propaganda efforts have had time to make their mark.

The problem, as I see it, is Leftyism has morphed into a kind of exclusive ultra liberalism. Based on unrealistic idealism, and angry intellectualism.

I can't remember when it all started. Or did it just creep up on us unawares?

 

[Mindful]

Yesterday night i had a dream i saw lots of muslims praying in the streets, and they gave me a quran, after that they threatened that i need to be muslim and in the end they stabbed me with a knife and they tortured my mum (in the dream) i woke up and i realised this is the reality in many bigger European Cities like Paris and London and Brussels and Cologne etc already. Not that im against muslims, im totally no, just wanted to discuss, and see how others feel about the situation. Im actually neither right nor left, neither anti nor pro immigration. Its just a thought.

Your dream is not a reality in any European city. Get a grip.

Europe bends over backwards for Muslims