How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

[DigitalDrifter]

Oh is this following statement so very true or what ?

This is liberalism through and through:

"The freakouts when people raise valid questions over Islamist actions are meant to frighten people into silence so Islamists can continue their attacks".


Folks, we cannot allow the left to walk us down the garden path, and they will if we remain stuck in the mire of fear.

Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical magazine whose offices Islamists attacked in 2015, published an editorial recently titled “How Did We Get Here?” that has raised some eyebrows. In it, they ask how Europe has become where European-born Muslims have attacked the hearts of Paris and Brussels. Their answer has proved distasteful to many on the Left.

The editorial has been harshly criticized and the magazine accused of racism and xenophobia. The Washington Post says Charlie Hebdo blames extremism on individual Muslims—the veiled woman on the street, the man selling kebabs. There’s some truth to this accusation, and to the extent that there is, Charlie Hebdo is wrong. But this, and other critiques, miss the larger point of the article, which is to demonstrate the gradual and quotidian way in which criticizing Islam has been silenced.


It’s worth quoting Charlie Hebdo at length:

In reality, the attacks are merely the visible part of a very large iceberg indeed. They are the last phase of a process of cowing and silencing long in motion and on the widest possible scale. Our noses are endlessly rubbed in the rubble of Brussels airport and in the flickering candles amongst the bouquets of flowers on the pavements. All the while, no one notices what’s going on in Saint-German-en-Laye. Last week, Sciences-Po* welcomed Tariq Ramadan. He’s a teacher, so it’s not inappropriate. He came to speak of his specialist subject, Islam, which is also his religion…

No matter, Tariq Ramadan has done nothing wrong. He will never do anything wrong. He lectures about Islam, he writes about Islam, he broadcasts about Islam. He puts himself forward as a man of dialogue, someone open to a debate. A debate about secularism which, according to him, needs to adapt itself to the new place taken by religion in Western democracy. A secularism and a democracy which must also accept those traditions imported by minority communities. Nothing bad in that. Tariq Ramadan is never going to grab a Kalashnikov with which to shoot journalists at an editorial meeting. Nor will he ever cook up a bomb to be used in an airport concourse. Others will be doing all that kind of stuff. It will not be his role. His task, under cover of debate, is to dissuade people from criticising his religion in any way. The political science students who listened to him last week will, once they have become journalists or local officials, not even dare to write nor say anything negative about Islam. The little dent in their secularism made that day will bear fruit in a fear of criticising lest they appear Islamophobic. That is Tariq Ramadan’s task.

How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Europe is getting angry, and anti-immigrant groups are expanding.

If the Islamists continue their antics, the status of Islam in Europe will rival that of the Jews under Nazi Germany in a very short time.

For all things there is a breaking point.

 

[Intolerant]

Only the weak are being desensitized.

 

[Slade3200]

Oh is this following statement so very true or what ?

This is liberalism through and through:

"The freakouts when people raise valid questions over Islamist actions are meant to frighten people into silence so Islamists can continue their attacks".


Folks, we cannot allow the left to walk us down the garden path, and they will if we remain stuck in the mire of fear.

Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical magazine whose offices Islamists attacked in 2015, published an editorial recently titled “How Did We Get Here?” that has raised some eyebrows. In it, they ask how Europe has become where European-born Muslims have attacked the hearts of Paris and Brussels. Their answer has proved distasteful to many on the Left.

The editorial has been harshly criticized and the magazine accused of racism and xenophobia. The Washington Post says Charlie Hebdo blames extremism on individual Muslims—the veiled woman on the street, the man selling kebabs. There’s some truth to this accusation, and to the extent that there is, Charlie Hebdo is wrong. But this, and other critiques, miss the larger point of the article, which is to demonstrate the gradual and quotidian way in which criticizing Islam has been silenced.


It’s worth quoting Charlie Hebdo at length:

In reality, the attacks are merely the visible part of a very large iceberg indeed. They are the last phase of a process of cowing and silencing long in motion and on the widest possible scale. Our noses are endlessly rubbed in the rubble of Brussels airport and in the flickering candles amongst the bouquets of flowers on the pavements. All the while, no one notices what’s going on in Saint-German-en-Laye. Last week, Sciences-Po* welcomed Tariq Ramadan. He’s a teacher, so it’s not inappropriate. He came to speak of his specialist subject, Islam, which is also his religion…

No matter, Tariq Ramadan has done nothing wrong. He will never do anything wrong. He lectures about Islam, he writes about Islam, he broadcasts about Islam. He puts himself forward as a man of dialogue, someone open to a debate. A debate about secularism which, according to him, needs to adapt itself to the new place taken by religion in Western democracy. A secularism and a democracy which must also accept those traditions imported by minority communities. Nothing bad in that. Tariq Ramadan is never going to grab a Kalashnikov with which to shoot journalists at an editorial meeting. Nor will he ever cook up a bomb to be used in an airport concourse. Others will be doing all that kind of stuff. It will not be his role. His task, under cover of debate, is to dissuade people from criticising his religion in any way. The political science students who listened to him last week will, once they have become journalists or local officials, not even dare to write nor say anything negative about Islam. The little dent in their secularism made that day will bear fruit in a fear of criticising lest they appear Islamophobic. That is Tariq Ramadan’s task.

How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

Point taken, but don't you also think that there is some validity in not wanting to prop up the actions of these terrorist thugs... Focus on working with the Muslim community to belittle and degrade what the jihadist groups are doing? Focusing on cultural and ideological differences with Islam can be counterproductive to the underlying goal

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Wherever you see a woman wearing a hijab or burka, that family wants Sharia and the Hadith to rule the nation. Sharia and the Hadith are absolutely incompatible with western beliefs, as well as a physical threat to all who do not comply with it.
As Islam is both religions as well as political because of its text, the Quran, it should not be allowed to spread through any civilized nation. For you liberals, study what entails Sharia and the Hadith and you will reach the same conclusion.

 

[theHawk]

Oh is this following statement so very true or what ?

This is liberalism through and through:

"The freakouts when people raise valid questions over Islamist actions are meant to frighten people into silence so Islamists can continue their attacks".


Folks, we cannot allow the left to walk us down the garden path, and they will if we remain stuck in the mire of fear.

Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical magazine whose offices Islamists attacked in 2015, published an editorial recently titled “How Did We Get Here?” that has raised some eyebrows. In it, they ask how Europe has become where European-born Muslims have attacked the hearts of Paris and Brussels. Their answer has proved distasteful to many on the Left.

The editorial has been harshly criticized and the magazine accused of racism and xenophobia. The Washington Post says Charlie Hebdo blames extremism on individual Muslims—the veiled woman on the street, the man selling kebabs. There’s some truth to this accusation, and to the extent that there is, Charlie Hebdo is wrong. But this, and other critiques, miss the larger point of the article, which is to demonstrate the gradual and quotidian way in which criticizing Islam has been silenced.


It’s worth quoting Charlie Hebdo at length:

In reality, the attacks are merely the visible part of a very large iceberg indeed. They are the last phase of a process of cowing and silencing long in motion and on the widest possible scale. Our noses are endlessly rubbed in the rubble of Brussels airport and in the flickering candles amongst the bouquets of flowers on the pavements. All the while, no one notices what’s going on in Saint-German-en-Laye. Last week, Sciences-Po* welcomed Tariq Ramadan. He’s a teacher, so it’s not inappropriate. He came to speak of his specialist subject, Islam, which is also his religion…

No matter, Tariq Ramadan has done nothing wrong. He will never do anything wrong. He lectures about Islam, he writes about Islam, he broadcasts about Islam. He puts himself forward as a man of dialogue, someone open to a debate. A debate about secularism which, according to him, needs to adapt itself to the new place taken by religion in Western democracy. A secularism and a democracy which must also accept those traditions imported by minority communities. Nothing bad in that. Tariq Ramadan is never going to grab a Kalashnikov with which to shoot journalists at an editorial meeting. Nor will he ever cook up a bomb to be used in an airport concourse. Others will be doing all that kind of stuff. It will not be his role. His task, under cover of debate, is to dissuade people from criticising his religion in any way. The political science students who listened to him last week will, once they have become journalists or local officials, not even dare to write nor say anything negative about Islam. The little dent in their secularism made that day will bear fruit in a fear of criticising lest they appear Islamophobic. That is Tariq Ramadan’s task.

How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

Point taken, but don't you also think that there is some validity in not wanting to prop up the actions of these terrorist thugs... Focus on working with the Muslim community to belittle and degrade what the jihadist groups are doing? Focusing on cultural and ideological differences with Islam can be counterproductive to the underlying goal

There is no working "with" Muslim communities. They will never belittle the actions of Jihadists. They are heroes to them. They want Islamic rule and democracy destroyed. You don't compromise with such enemies, you route them out, expose them, and destroy them.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Oh is this following statement so very true or what ?

This is liberalism through and through:

"The freakouts when people raise valid questions over Islamist actions are meant to frighten people into silence so Islamists can continue their attacks".


Folks, we cannot allow the left to walk us down the garden path, and they will if we remain stuck in the mire of fear.

Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical magazine whose offices Islamists attacked in 2015, published an editorial recently titled “How Did We Get Here?” that has raised some eyebrows. In it, they ask how Europe has become where European-born Muslims have attacked the hearts of Paris and Brussels. Their answer has proved distasteful to many on the Left.

The editorial has been harshly criticized and the magazine accused of racism and xenophobia. The Washington Post says Charlie Hebdo blames extremism on individual Muslims—the veiled woman on the street, the man selling kebabs. There’s some truth to this accusation, and to the extent that there is, Charlie Hebdo is wrong. But this, and other critiques, miss the larger point of the article, which is to demonstrate the gradual and quotidian way in which criticizing Islam has been silenced.


It’s worth quoting Charlie Hebdo at length:

In reality, the attacks are merely the visible part of a very large iceberg indeed. They are the last phase of a process of cowing and silencing long in motion and on the widest possible scale. Our noses are endlessly rubbed in the rubble of Brussels airport and in the flickering candles amongst the bouquets of flowers on the pavements. All the while, no one notices what’s going on in Saint-German-en-Laye. Last week, Sciences-Po* welcomed Tariq Ramadan. He’s a teacher, so it’s not inappropriate. He came to speak of his specialist subject, Islam, which is also his religion…

No matter, Tariq Ramadan has done nothing wrong. He will never do anything wrong. He lectures about Islam, he writes about Islam, he broadcasts about Islam. He puts himself forward as a man of dialogue, someone open to a debate. A debate about secularism which, according to him, needs to adapt itself to the new place taken by religion in Western democracy. A secularism and a democracy which must also accept those traditions imported by minority communities. Nothing bad in that. Tariq Ramadan is never going to grab a Kalashnikov with which to shoot journalists at an editorial meeting. Nor will he ever cook up a bomb to be used in an airport concourse. Others will be doing all that kind of stuff. It will not be his role. His task, under cover of debate, is to dissuade people from criticising his religion in any way. The political science students who listened to him last week will, once they have become journalists or local officials, not even dare to write nor say anything negative about Islam. The little dent in their secularism made that day will bear fruit in a fear of criticising lest they appear Islamophobic. That is Tariq Ramadan’s task.

How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

lol

A straw man fallacy, slippery slope fallacy, and hasty generalization fallacy all in one post – well done!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Europe is getting angry, and anti-immigrant groups are expanding.

If the Islamists continue their antics, the status of Islam in Europe will rival that of the Jews under Nazi Germany in a very short time.

For all things there is a breaking point.

Slippery slope fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Only the weak are being desensitized.

And the ‘strong’ continue to propagate ignorance, hate, and bigotry.

This is as ridiculous as the thread premise.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Wherever you see a woman wearing a hijab or burka, that family wants Sharia and the Hadith to rule the nation. Sharia and the Hadith are absolutely incompatible with western beliefs, as well as a physical threat to all who do not comply with it.
As Islam is both religions as well as political because of its text, the Quran, it should not be allowed to spread through any civilized nation. For you liberals, study what entails Sharia and the Hadith and you will reach the same conclusion.

Straw man fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy, slippery slope fallacy – an idiotic lie devoid of facts or merit.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Oh is this following statement so very true or what ?

This is liberalism through and through:

"The freakouts when people raise valid questions over Islamist actions are meant to frighten people into silence so Islamists can continue their attacks".


Folks, we cannot allow the left to walk us down the garden path, and they will if we remain stuck in the mire of fear.

Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical magazine whose offices Islamists attacked in 2015, published an editorial recently titled “How Did We Get Here?” that has raised some eyebrows. In it, they ask how Europe has become where European-born Muslims have attacked the hearts of Paris and Brussels. Their answer has proved distasteful to many on the Left.

The editorial has been harshly criticized and the magazine accused of racism and xenophobia. The Washington Post says Charlie Hebdo blames extremism on individual Muslims—the veiled woman on the street, the man selling kebabs. There’s some truth to this accusation, and to the extent that there is, Charlie Hebdo is wrong. But this, and other critiques, miss the larger point of the article, which is to demonstrate the gradual and quotidian way in which criticizing Islam has been silenced.


It’s worth quoting Charlie Hebdo at length:

In reality, the attacks are merely the visible part of a very large iceberg indeed. They are the last phase of a process of cowing and silencing long in motion and on the widest possible scale. Our noses are endlessly rubbed in the rubble of Brussels airport and in the flickering candles amongst the bouquets of flowers on the pavements. All the while, no one notices what’s going on in Saint-German-en-Laye. Last week, Sciences-Po* welcomed Tariq Ramadan. He’s a teacher, so it’s not inappropriate. He came to speak of his specialist subject, Islam, which is also his religion…

No matter, Tariq Ramadan has done nothing wrong. He will never do anything wrong. He lectures about Islam, he writes about Islam, he broadcasts about Islam. He puts himself forward as a man of dialogue, someone open to a debate. A debate about secularism which, according to him, needs to adapt itself to the new place taken by religion in Western democracy. A secularism and a democracy which must also accept those traditions imported by minority communities. Nothing bad in that. Tariq Ramadan is never going to grab a Kalashnikov with which to shoot journalists at an editorial meeting. Nor will he ever cook up a bomb to be used in an airport concourse. Others will be doing all that kind of stuff. It will not be his role. His task, under cover of debate, is to dissuade people from criticising his religion in any way. The political science students who listened to him last week will, once they have become journalists or local officials, not even dare to write nor say anything negative about Islam. The little dent in their secularism made that day will bear fruit in a fear of criticising lest they appear Islamophobic. That is Tariq Ramadan’s task.

How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

Point taken, but don't you also think that there is some validity in not wanting to prop up the actions of these terrorist thugs... Focus on working with the Muslim community to belittle and degrade what the jihadist groups are doing? Focusing on cultural and ideological differences with Islam can be counterproductive to the underlying goal

There is no working "with" Muslim communities. They will never belittle the actions of Jihadists. They are heroes to them. They want Islamic rule and democracy destroyed. You don't compromise with such enemies, you route them out, expose them, and destroy them.

Straw man fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy, slippery slope fallacy – the moronic bigotry common to most on the right.

 

[Blackrook]

What the article doesn't mention is that the left is playing its own role in fighting for jihad. When that Muslim kid built a clock that looked like a bomb, the left jumped on the school administrators and the police and blamed them for being "anti-Muslim." Obama himself invited the kid to the White House. It was a classic terrorist operation, designed to frighten people into silence.

 

[Slade3200]

Oh is this following statement so very true or what ?

This is liberalism through and through:

"The freakouts when people raise valid questions over Islamist actions are meant to frighten people into silence so Islamists can continue their attacks".


Folks, we cannot allow the left to walk us down the garden path, and they will if we remain stuck in the mire of fear.

Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical magazine whose offices Islamists attacked in 2015, published an editorial recently titled “How Did We Get Here?” that has raised some eyebrows. In it, they ask how Europe has become where European-born Muslims have attacked the hearts of Paris and Brussels. Their answer has proved distasteful to many on the Left.

The editorial has been harshly criticized and the magazine accused of racism and xenophobia. The Washington Post says Charlie Hebdo blames extremism on individual Muslims—the veiled woman on the street, the man selling kebabs. There’s some truth to this accusation, and to the extent that there is, Charlie Hebdo is wrong. But this, and other critiques, miss the larger point of the article, which is to demonstrate the gradual and quotidian way in which criticizing Islam has been silenced.


It’s worth quoting Charlie Hebdo at length:

In reality, the attacks are merely the visible part of a very large iceberg indeed. They are the last phase of a process of cowing and silencing long in motion and on the widest possible scale. Our noses are endlessly rubbed in the rubble of Brussels airport and in the flickering candles amongst the bouquets of flowers on the pavements. All the while, no one notices what’s going on in Saint-German-en-Laye. Last week, Sciences-Po* welcomed Tariq Ramadan. He’s a teacher, so it’s not inappropriate. He came to speak of his specialist subject, Islam, which is also his religion…

No matter, Tariq Ramadan has done nothing wrong. He will never do anything wrong. He lectures about Islam, he writes about Islam, he broadcasts about Islam. He puts himself forward as a man of dialogue, someone open to a debate. A debate about secularism which, according to him, needs to adapt itself to the new place taken by religion in Western democracy. A secularism and a democracy which must also accept those traditions imported by minority communities. Nothing bad in that. Tariq Ramadan is never going to grab a Kalashnikov with which to shoot journalists at an editorial meeting. Nor will he ever cook up a bomb to be used in an airport concourse. Others will be doing all that kind of stuff. It will not be his role. His task, under cover of debate, is to dissuade people from criticising his religion in any way. The political science students who listened to him last week will, once they have become journalists or local officials, not even dare to write nor say anything negative about Islam. The little dent in their secularism made that day will bear fruit in a fear of criticising lest they appear Islamophobic. That is Tariq Ramadan’s task.

How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

Point taken, but don't you also think that there is some validity in not wanting to prop up the actions of these terrorist thugs... Focus on working with the Muslim community to belittle and degrade what the jihadist groups are doing? Focusing on cultural and ideological differences with Islam can be counterproductive to the underlying goal

There is no working "with" Muslim communities. They will never belittle the actions of Jihadists. They are heroes to them. They want Islamic rule and democracy destroyed. You don't compromise with such enemies, you route them out, expose them, and destroy them.

Spoken like a true ignorant idiot. Thank you for enforcing my point. Go get cultured and try again

 

[Slade3200]

What the article doesn't mention is that the left is playing its own role in fighting for jihad. When that Muslim kid built a clock that looked like a bomb, the left jumped on the school administrators and the police and blamed them for being "anti-Muslim." Obama himself invited the kid to the White House. It was a classic terrorist operation, designed to frighten people into silence.

What exactly was a terrorist operation?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I read articles like the one in the OP and it describes a world that I dont recognise.
The people who are hurt most by the extremists are the vast majority of law abiding muslims in the world.
ISIS and its fellow travellers kill far more fellow muslims than any other religious group. So who is the victim here ?

Perhaps if we stopped abusing and alienating these people we might go some way to defeating isis.

 

[Moonglow]

Wherever you see a woman wearing a hijab or burka, that family wants Sharia and the Hadith to rule the nation. Sharia and the Hadith are absolutely incompatible with western beliefs, as well as a physical threat to all who do not comply with it.
As Islam is both religions as well as political because of its text, the Quran, it should not be allowed to spread through any civilized nation. For you liberals, study what entails Sharia and the Hadith and you will reach the same conclusion.

There are liberals on the right, left and in the middle...yet not all perceive the same..

 

[Moonglow]

I read articles like the one in the OP and it describes a world that I dont recognise.
The people who are hurt most by the extremists are the vast majority of law abiding muslims in the world.
ISIS and its fellow travellers kill far more fellow muslims than any other religious group. So who is the victim here ?

Perhaps if we stopped abusing and alienating these people we might go some way to defeating isis.

Most folks on this thread are two dimensional...They can't fathom that Muslims kill more Muslims than Western Europeans..or Americans... It's their mindset, only the poor white Anglo Saxons are getting picked on..

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I read articles like the one in the OP and it describes a world that I dont recognise.
The people who are hurt most by the extremists are the vast majority of law abiding muslims in the world.
ISIS and its fellow travellers kill far more fellow muslims than any other religious group. So who is the victim here ?

Perhaps if we stopped abusing and alienating these people we might go some way to defeating isis.

Most folks on this thread are two dimensional...They can't fathom that Muslims kill more Muslims than Western Europeans..or Americans... It's their mindset, only the poor white Anglo Saxons are getting picked on..

You cant expect folk to empathise with dead brown people if its not on the tv.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Europe is getting angry, and anti-immigrant groups are expanding.

If the Islamists continue their antics, the status of Islam in Europe will rival that of the Jews under Nazi Germany in a very short time.

For all things there is a breaking point.

Slippery slope fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy.

How does your brain generate enough power to move your fingers? You have virtually the same response to any post with which you disagree.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Wherever you see a woman wearing a hijab or burka, that family wants Sharia and the Hadith to rule the nation. Sharia and the Hadith are absolutely incompatible with western beliefs, as well as a physical threat to all who do not comply with it.
As Islam is both religions as well as political because of its text, the Quran, it should not be allowed to spread through any civilized nation. For you liberals, study what entails Sharia and the Hadith and you will reach the same conclusion.

Straw man fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy, slippery slope fallacy – an idiotic lie devoid of facts or merit.

Lol !
Three "fallacy" accusations in one post !!!

Damn Clayton, that's nearly a record even for you !