How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

[DigitalDrifter]

Europe is getting angry, and anti-immigrant groups are expanding.

If the Islamists continue their antics, the status of Islam in Europe will rival that of the Jews under Nazi Germany in a very short time.

For all things there is a breaking point.

Slippery slope fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy.

How does your brain generate enough power to move your fingers? You have virtually the same response to any post with which you disagree.

I've often wondered if Clayton is simply a computer program, the posts are generally classic garden-variety liberal cliches'.

 

[theHawk]

Oh is this following statement so very true or what ?

This is liberalism through and through:

"The freakouts when people raise valid questions over Islamist actions are meant to frighten people into silence so Islamists can continue their attacks".


Folks, we cannot allow the left to walk us down the garden path, and they will if we remain stuck in the mire of fear.

Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical magazine whose offices Islamists attacked in 2015, published an editorial recently titled “How Did We Get Here?” that has raised some eyebrows. In it, they ask how Europe has become where European-born Muslims have attacked the hearts of Paris and Brussels. Their answer has proved distasteful to many on the Left.

The editorial has been harshly criticized and the magazine accused of racism and xenophobia. The Washington Post says Charlie Hebdo blames extremism on individual Muslims—the veiled woman on the street, the man selling kebabs. There’s some truth to this accusation, and to the extent that there is, Charlie Hebdo is wrong. But this, and other critiques, miss the larger point of the article, which is to demonstrate the gradual and quotidian way in which criticizing Islam has been silenced.


It’s worth quoting Charlie Hebdo at length:

In reality, the attacks are merely the visible part of a very large iceberg indeed. They are the last phase of a process of cowing and silencing long in motion and on the widest possible scale. Our noses are endlessly rubbed in the rubble of Brussels airport and in the flickering candles amongst the bouquets of flowers on the pavements. All the while, no one notices what’s going on in Saint-German-en-Laye. Last week, Sciences-Po* welcomed Tariq Ramadan. He’s a teacher, so it’s not inappropriate. He came to speak of his specialist subject, Islam, which is also his religion…

No matter, Tariq Ramadan has done nothing wrong. He will never do anything wrong. He lectures about Islam, he writes about Islam, he broadcasts about Islam. He puts himself forward as a man of dialogue, someone open to a debate. A debate about secularism which, according to him, needs to adapt itself to the new place taken by religion in Western democracy. A secularism and a democracy which must also accept those traditions imported by minority communities. Nothing bad in that. Tariq Ramadan is never going to grab a Kalashnikov with which to shoot journalists at an editorial meeting. Nor will he ever cook up a bomb to be used in an airport concourse. Others will be doing all that kind of stuff. It will not be his role. His task, under cover of debate, is to dissuade people from criticising his religion in any way. The political science students who listened to him last week will, once they have become journalists or local officials, not even dare to write nor say anything negative about Islam. The little dent in their secularism made that day will bear fruit in a fear of criticising lest they appear Islamophobic. That is Tariq Ramadan’s task.

How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

Point taken, but don't you also think that there is some validity in not wanting to prop up the actions of these terrorist thugs... Focus on working with the Muslim community to belittle and degrade what the jihadist groups are doing? Focusing on cultural and ideological differences with Islam can be counterproductive to the underlying goal

There is no working "with" Muslim communities. They will never belittle the actions of Jihadists. They are heroes to them. They want Islamic rule and democracy destroyed. You don't compromise with such enemies, you route them out, expose them, and destroy them.

Straw man fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy, slippery slope fallacy – the moronic bigotry common to most on the right.

It's not a straw man fallacy just because you say so. Muslims are upfront about their beliefs and how much they want Sharia Law. If you want to see bigotry then put on a Yamaka and walk through a Muslim neighborhood. You can't refute any of this so all you have is calling people "bigot".

 

[theHawk]

I read articles like the one in the OP and it describes a world that I dont recognise.
The people who are hurt most by the extremists are the vast majority of law abiding muslims in the world.
ISIS and its fellow travellers kill far more fellow muslims than any other religious group. So who is the victim here ?

Perhaps if we stopped abusing and alienating these people we might go some way to defeating isis.

Most folks on this thread are two dimensional...They can't fathom that Muslims kill more Muslims than Western Europeans..or Americans... It's their mindset, only the poor white Anglo Saxons are getting picked on..

We know they kill more Muslims of different secs. That just goes to show how batshit crazy they are. If they kill Muslims without flinching, just think about how many non-Muslims will start to get murdered when the winning faction turns its full focus on them.

I have always pointed out how that Muslims have been murdering Hindu, Buddhists, Jews, atheists, pagans, as well as Christians for the last 1400 years.

 

[theHawk]

I read articles like the one in the OP and it describes a world that I dont recognise.
The people who are hurt most by the extremists are the vast majority of law abiding muslims in the world.
ISIS and its fellow travellers kill far more fellow muslims than any other religious group. So who is the victim here ?

Perhaps if we stopped abusing and alienating these people we might go some way to defeating isis.

Most folks on this thread are two dimensional...They can't fathom that Muslims kill more Muslims than Western Europeans..or Americans... It's their mindset, only the poor white Anglo Saxons are getting picked on..

We know they kill more Muslims of different secs. That just goes to show how batshit crazy they are. If they kill Muslims without flinching, just think about how many non-Muslims will start to get murdered when the winning faction turns its full focus on them.

I have always pointed out how that Muslims have been murdering Hindu, Buddhists, Jews, atheists, pagans, as well as Christians for the last 1400 years.

 

[Slade3200]

Don't foo

I read articles like the one in the OP and it describes a world that I dont recognise.
The people who are hurt most by the extremists are the vast majority of law abiding muslims in the world.
ISIS and its fellow travellers kill far more fellow muslims than any other religious group. So who is the victim here ?

Perhaps if we stopped abusing and alienating these people we might go some way to defeating isis.

Most folks on this thread are two dimensional...They can't fathom that Muslims kill more Muslims than Western Europeans..or Americans... It's their mindset, only the poor white Anglo Saxons are getting picked on..

We know they kill more Muslims of different secs. That just goes to show how batshit crazy they are. If they kill Muslims without flinching, just think about how many non-Muslims will start to get murdered when the winning faction turns its full focus on them.

I have always pointed out how that Muslims have been murdering Hindu, Buddhists, Jews, atheists, pagans, as well as Christians for the last 1400 years.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that the Christians don't have blood on their hands. Read a history book. You either condem all religious nuts from all religions, or you accept that each religion has its virtuous secs and its extreme looney secs. Right now the Muslim extreme sec is a little cray cray.

 

[Slade3200]

Oh is this following statement so very true or what ?

This is liberalism through and through:

"The freakouts when people raise valid questions over Islamist actions are meant to frighten people into silence so Islamists can continue their attacks".


Folks, we cannot allow the left to walk us down the garden path, and they will if we remain stuck in the mire of fear.

Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical magazine whose offices Islamists attacked in 2015, published an editorial recently titled “How Did We Get Here?” that has raised some eyebrows. In it, they ask how Europe has become where European-born Muslims have attacked the hearts of Paris and Brussels. Their answer has proved distasteful to many on the Left.

The editorial has been harshly criticized and the magazine accused of racism and xenophobia. The Washington Post says Charlie Hebdo blames extremism on individual Muslims—the veiled woman on the street, the man selling kebabs. There’s some truth to this accusation, and to the extent that there is, Charlie Hebdo is wrong. But this, and other critiques, miss the larger point of the article, which is to demonstrate the gradual and quotidian way in which criticizing Islam has been silenced.


It’s worth quoting Charlie Hebdo at length:

In reality, the attacks are merely the visible part of a very large iceberg indeed. They are the last phase of a process of cowing and silencing long in motion and on the widest possible scale. Our noses are endlessly rubbed in the rubble of Brussels airport and in the flickering candles amongst the bouquets of flowers on the pavements. All the while, no one notices what’s going on in Saint-German-en-Laye. Last week, Sciences-Po* welcomed Tariq Ramadan. He’s a teacher, so it’s not inappropriate. He came to speak of his specialist subject, Islam, which is also his religion…

No matter, Tariq Ramadan has done nothing wrong. He will never do anything wrong. He lectures about Islam, he writes about Islam, he broadcasts about Islam. He puts himself forward as a man of dialogue, someone open to a debate. A debate about secularism which, according to him, needs to adapt itself to the new place taken by religion in Western democracy. A secularism and a democracy which must also accept those traditions imported by minority communities. Nothing bad in that. Tariq Ramadan is never going to grab a Kalashnikov with which to shoot journalists at an editorial meeting. Nor will he ever cook up a bomb to be used in an airport concourse. Others will be doing all that kind of stuff. It will not be his role. His task, under cover of debate, is to dissuade people from criticising his religion in any way. The political science students who listened to him last week will, once they have become journalists or local officials, not even dare to write nor say anything negative about Islam. The little dent in their secularism made that day will bear fruit in a fear of criticising lest they appear Islamophobic. That is Tariq Ramadan’s task.

How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

Point taken, but don't you also think that there is some validity in not wanting to prop up the actions of these terrorist thugs... Focus on working with the Muslim community to belittle and degrade what the jihadist groups are doing? Focusing on cultural and ideological differences with Islam can be counterproductive to the underlying goal

There is no working "with" Muslim communities. They will never belittle the actions of Jihadists. They are heroes to them. They want Islamic rule and democracy destroyed. You don't compromise with such enemies, you route them out, expose them, and destroy them.

Straw man fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy, slippery slope fallacy – the moronic bigotry common to most on the right.

It's not a straw man fallacy just because you say so. Muslims are upfront about their beliefs and how much they want Sharia Law. If you want to see bigotry then put on a Yamaka and walk through a Muslim neighborhood. You can't refute any of this so all you have is calling people "bigot".

Haha, Muslims are pretty upfront you say? I do t know where you've been hanging out but a know quite a bit of Muslims and have been to turkey and have yet to meet one that takes a literal interpretation of sharia law

 

[Roudy]

What the article doesn't mention is that the left is playing its own role in fighting for jihad. When that Muslim kid built a clock that looked like a bomb, the left jumped on the school administrators and the police and blamed them for being "anti-Muslim." Obama himself invited the kid to the White House. It was a classic terrorist operation, designed to frighten people into silence.

President Hussien never fails to stand up for Islam.

 

[theHawk]

Oh is this following statement so very true or what ?

This is liberalism through and through:

"The freakouts when people raise valid questions over Islamist actions are meant to frighten people into silence so Islamists can continue their attacks".


Folks, we cannot allow the left to walk us down the garden path, and they will if we remain stuck in the mire of fear.







How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America

Point taken, but don't you also think that there is some validity in not wanting to prop up the actions of these terrorist thugs... Focus on working with the Muslim community to belittle and degrade what the jihadist groups are doing? Focusing on cultural and ideological differences with Islam can be counterproductive to the underlying goal

There is no working "with" Muslim communities. They will never belittle the actions of Jihadists. They are heroes to them. They want Islamic rule and democracy destroyed. You don't compromise with such enemies, you route them out, expose them, and destroy them.

Straw man fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy, slippery slope fallacy – the moronic bigotry common to most on the right.

It's not a straw man fallacy just because you say so. Muslims are upfront about their beliefs and how much they want Sharia Law. If you want to see bigotry then put on a Yamaka and walk through a Muslim neighborhood. You can't refute any of this so all you have is calling people "bigot".

Haha, Muslims are pretty upfront you say? I do t know where you've been hanging out but a know quite a bit of Muslims and have been to turkey and have yet to meet one that takes a literal interpretation of sharia law

You're comparing all Muslims in the world to Turks? Now who is generalizing? Turks used to be fairly secular, that is changing. They actively support and fund ISIS now. As they see how radicals are rising up, they will be encouraged to do the same.

 

[Manonthestreet]

In the Bronze Age, public acts of piety were common. In fact, they were a necessary part of the life of the polity. The ruler would participate in rituals in order to show the people he was in good with the gods and that he was sufficiently pious. It is argued that Cyrus the Great was able to defeat Babylon because the Babylonian king, Nabonidus, was not participating in these rituals, therefore his people welcomed the conquerors.

Today we don’t have our leaders slaughter a bull to the gods or do something interesting with virgins. Instead, our rulers invite barbarians onto our countries to slaughter us, so the rulers can then come out and show their piety. After the Exploding Mohamed Occurrence in Belgium, the European “leaders” had the typical ceremony.
Notice that expelling the Muslims is not an option? Notice that repelling the Muslims is never an option. Instead, we have to just accept this “new normal” where strange men with beards suddenly explode in public places. If Volkswagen made cars that exploded at the same rate as Muslims, the president of the company would be in jail and the company in bankruptcy. But the religion of multiculturalism overrides everything, including civil defense.

We are well past the point where this reckless behavior by the elites can be explained as simply mistaken. That quote makes clear that even the dullest politicians understand that a world of open borders is a future where the Exploding Mohamed Occurrence is going to be like the Windows game Minesweeper. Tick the wrong box and it is game over for you and your family. But you being blown to bits or having your daughter raped is the price you pay so they can have their public vigils. The New Normal | The Z Blog Guy nails it.....

 

[Slade3200]

Point taken, but don't you also think that there is some validity in not wanting to prop up the actions of these terrorist thugs... Focus on working with the Muslim community to belittle and degrade what the jihadist groups are doing? Focusing on cultural and ideological differences with Islam can be counterproductive to the underlying goal

There is no working "with" Muslim communities. They will never belittle the actions of Jihadists. They are heroes to them. They want Islamic rule and democracy destroyed. You don't compromise with such enemies, you route them out, expose them, and destroy them.

Straw man fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy, slippery slope fallacy – the moronic bigotry common to most on the right.

It's not a straw man fallacy just because you say so. Muslims are upfront about their beliefs and how much they want Sharia Law. If you want to see bigotry then put on a Yamaka and walk through a Muslim neighborhood. You can't refute any of this so all you have is calling people "bigot".

Haha, Muslims are pretty upfront you say? I do t know where you've been hanging out but a know quite a bit of Muslims and have been to turkey and have yet to meet one that takes a literal interpretation of sharia law

You're comparing all Muslims in the world to Turks? Now who is generalizing? Turks used to be fairly secular, that is changing. They actively support and fund ISIS now. As they see how radicals are rising up, they will be encouraged to do the same.

I'm talking about ones I've personally met... How about you? You speaking from personal experience or things you hear through the media?

 

[theHawk]

There is no working "with" Muslim communities. They will never belittle the actions of Jihadists. They are heroes to them. They want Islamic rule and democracy destroyed. You don't compromise with such enemies, you route them out, expose them, and destroy them.

Straw man fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy, slippery slope fallacy – the moronic bigotry common to most on the right.

It's not a straw man fallacy just because you say so. Muslims are upfront about their beliefs and how much they want Sharia Law. If you want to see bigotry then put on a Yamaka and walk through a Muslim neighborhood. You can't refute any of this so all you have is calling people "bigot".

Haha, Muslims are pretty upfront you say? I do t know where you've been hanging out but a know quite a bit of Muslims and have been to turkey and have yet to meet one that takes a literal interpretation of sharia law

You're comparing all Muslims in the world to Turks? Now who is generalizing? Turks used to be fairly secular, that is changing. They actively support and fund ISIS now. As they see how radicals are rising up, they will be encouraged to do the same.

I'm talking about ones I've personally met... How about you? You speaking from personal experience or things you hear through the media?

I live in Germany. Pretty certain I see more Turks and other Muslims than you if you are stateside. Next time you meet a friendly Muslim, tell them you're a Jew. See how well that goes.

 

[Moonglow]

Where I live, animals can kill you, they don't give a fuck, about your religion...

 

[Slade3200]

Straw man fallacy, hasty generalization fallacy, slippery slope fallacy – the moronic bigotry common to most on the right.

It's not a straw man fallacy just because you say so. Muslims are upfront about their beliefs and how much they want Sharia Law. If you want to see bigotry then put on a Yamaka and walk through a Muslim neighborhood. You can't refute any of this so all you have is calling people "bigot".

Haha, Muslims are pretty upfront you say? I do t know where you've been hanging out but a know quite a bit of Muslims and have been to turkey and have yet to meet one that takes a literal interpretation of sharia law

You're comparing all Muslims in the world to Turks? Now who is generalizing? Turks used to be fairly secular, that is changing. They actively support and fund ISIS now. As they see how radicals are rising up, they will be encouraged to do the same.

I'm talking about ones I've personally met... How about you? You speaking from personal experience or things you hear through the media?

I live in Germany. Pretty certain I see more Turks and other Muslims than you if you are stateside. Next time you meet a friendly Muslim, tell them you're a Jew. See how well that goes.

I can only speak from my experience and I don't believe anything I read in the news. Are you Jewish? Are your views from first hand experience or from what the media tells you?

 

[Katzndogz]

Wherever you see a woman wearing a hijab or burka, that family wants Sharia and the Hadith to rule the nation. Sharia and the Hadith are absolutely incompatible with western beliefs, as well as a physical threat to all who do not comply with it.
As Islam is both religions as well as political because of its text, the Quran, it should not be allowed to spread through any civilized nation. For you liberals, study what entails Sharia and the Hadith and you will reach the same conclusion.

Sadly you are correct. Even more, those drooling little panderers think it's all just fine. I don't feel sorry for them. I wouldn't feel sorry for them if their heads were being sawed off with a dull and rusty knife. What is sad is that they are contributing to the poison harming us all.

 

[Mac1958]

For all things there is a breaking point.

There is, and the problem is that what happens then could make things even worse.

Those who would be first to reach their breaking point would be wise to not overreact. And it would also be helpful if those who are - whether they realize it or not, and I'm not sure - essentially running interference for them through denial and deflection (see this thread) would be more intellectually honest.
.

 

[Intolerant]

Wherever you see a woman wearing a hijab or burka, that family wants Sharia and the Hadith to rule the nation. Sharia and the Hadith are absolutely incompatible with western beliefs, as well as a physical threat to all who do not comply with it.
As Islam is both religions as well as political because of its text, the Quran, it should not be allowed to spread through any civilized nation. For you liberals, study what entails Sharia and the Hadith and you will reach the same conclusion.

Sadly you are correct. Even more, those drooling little panderers think it's all just fine. I don't feel sorry for them. I wouldn't feel sorry for them if their heads were being sawed off with a dull and rusty knife. What is sad is that they are contributing to the poison harming us all.

I feel sorry for the cities that have gun control. Where I'm at its normal day to see people open carry.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Personally, I feel that wherever you have a significant Islamic population in a non-Islamic nation, all non-Muslim women should be allowed to arm themselves with any possible weapon, including firearms, to prevent attacks.