How Jesus became god'... from not being one. Bart Ehrman.

[ding]

You know nothing about Germans and Germany. You justify with your crude absurde racism only your own dead ears.

I know exactly as much about Germany as you do about America, you hypocritical fool.

And now the same sentence in German please. Not even the ambassadors of the USA in Germany speak German any longer - asides that there is no ambassador of the USA in Germany any longer - what's perhaps better than to have to hear the totally absurde and idiotic things, which your ambassadors say.

Apparently you misunderstood my post. Germans have about as much business interjecting themselves in American issues as Americans have in interjecting themselves in German issues. Now do you understand?

As for my comment about your hypocrisy that should have been self evident but if it wasn't let me know and I will find a ten year old to explain it to you.

 

[irosie91]

... What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Sîn-leqe-unnīnnī wrote down the last version of Gilgamesh epos in the 13th century before Christ. But before existed also versions of this epos from the king of Uruk and his friend Enkidu.

What did they write on and how was it stored so that losers could waste their time reading it

Try to read it and you will find out how strange you sound in my view to see the world. The textes of the bible are for sure much more easy able to be understood. Nevertheless I like Enkidu and the Gilgamesh epos, what doesn't mean I understand this way to live. But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword". Guns make no one free within the USA. Since decades now you always need more guns to fight against more and more guns. Only destruction and death justifies your way to argue any longer. You became a poor guy far from real life.

.

But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword".

.
you are correct about the nra and american christians - bing bond picaro but not americans ...
.
View attachment 387902
.
the originals knew when to leave their guns home and when to use them when they were needed.

there is no place for automatic weapons those people are not american.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates Christians and zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates (knows the crucifiers) Christians and @zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.
and you are a 4th century crucifier ... forger and falsifier of the true events of the 1st century.

Actually, I'm not, dumb ass.

what did I miss? who was CRUCIFYING in the 4th century? As far as I know, the romans had given it up. The greeks?

Apparently I was.

oh---in what country?

 

[ding]

... What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Sîn-leqe-unnīnnī wrote down the last version of Gilgamesh epos in the 13th century before Christ. But before existed also versions of this epos from the king of Uruk and his friend Enkidu.

What did they write on and how was it stored so that losers could waste their time reading it

Try to read it and you will find out how strange you sound in my view to see the world. The textes of the bible are for sure much more easy able to be understood. Nevertheless I like Enkidu and the Gilgamesh epos, what doesn't mean I understand this way to live. But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword". Guns make no one free within the USA. Since decades now you always need more guns to fight against more and more guns. Only destruction and death justifies your way to argue any longer. You became a poor guy far from real life.

.

But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword".

.
you are correct about the nra and american christians - bing bond picaro but not americans ...
.
View attachment 387902
.
the originals knew when to leave their guns home and when to use them when they were needed.

there is no place for automatic weapons those people are not american.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates Christians and zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

Btw. Since 1789 - in 231 years - for about 2-3 years in total a Catholic was president of the USA. He brought you direction moon and made the USA great. So the USA eliminated all Kennedies - partially physically - out of the politics of the USA.

Not sure exactly what your point is or how it relates to anything I said but that's not surprising given your inability to hold rational and cogent conversations.

 

[ding]

... What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Sîn-leqe-unnīnnī wrote down the last version of Gilgamesh epos in the 13th century before Christ. But before existed also versions of this epos from the king of Uruk and his friend Enkidu.

What did they write on and how was it stored so that losers could waste their time reading it

Try to read it and you will find out how strange you sound in my view to see the world. The textes of the bible are for sure much more easy able to be understood. Nevertheless I like Enkidu and the Gilgamesh epos, what doesn't mean I understand this way to live. But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword". Guns make no one free within the USA. Since decades now you always need more guns to fight against more and more guns. Only destruction and death justifies your way to argue any longer. You became a poor guy far from real life.

.

But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword".

.
you are correct about the nra and american christians - bing bond picaro but not americans ...
.
View attachment 387902
.
the originals knew when to leave their guns home and when to use them when they were needed.

there is no place for automatic weapons those people are not american.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates Christians and zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates (knows the crucifiers) Christians and @zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.
and you are a 4th century crucifier ... forger and falsifier of the true events of the 1st century.

Actually, I'm not, dumb ass.

what did I miss? who was CRUCIFYING in the 4th century? As far as I know, the romans had given it up. The greeks?

Apparently I was.

oh---in what country?

Why are you asking me?

 

[ding]

Even back when slavery was accepted and pedophilia was accepted there were people who said it was wrong.

Thank God for independent thinkers and logic and truth.

To make one thing clear: A violent pedophile behavior was never accepted from any Catholic since Catholics exist, slave of the modern world.

I don't need your help. I wasn't referring to the Church.

 

[irosie91]

... What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Sîn-leqe-unnīnnī wrote down the last version of Gilgamesh epos in the 13th century before Christ. But before existed also versions of this epos from the king of Uruk and his friend Enkidu.

What did they write on and how was it stored so that losers could waste their time reading it

Try to read it and you will find out how strange you sound in my view to see the world. The textes of the bible are for sure much more easy able to be understood. Nevertheless I like Enkidu and the Gilgamesh epos, what doesn't mean I understand this way to live. But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword". Guns make no one free within the USA. Since decades now you always need more guns to fight against more and more guns. Only destruction and death justifies your way to argue any longer. You became a poor guy far from real life.

.

But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword".

.
you are correct about the nra and american christians - bing bond picaro but not americans ...
.
View attachment 387902
.
the originals knew when to leave their guns home and when to use them when they were needed.

there is no place for automatic weapons those people are not american.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates Christians and zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates (knows the crucifiers) Christians and @zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.
and you are a 4th century crucifier ... forger and falsifier of the true events of the 1st century.

Actually, I'm not, dumb ass.

what did I miss? who was CRUCIFYING in the 4th century? As far as I know, the romans had given it up. The greeks?

Apparently I was.

oh---in what country?

Why are you asking me?

I don't know of any country that actively engaged in that sport in 400 AD

 

[irosie91]

... What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Sîn-leqe-unnīnnī wrote down the last version of Gilgamesh epos in the 13th century before Christ. But before existed also versions of this epos from the king of Uruk and his friend Enkidu.

What did they write on and how was it stored so that losers could waste their time reading it

Try to read it and you will find out how strange you sound in my view to see the world. The textes of the bible are for sure much more easy able to be understood. Nevertheless I like Enkidu and the Gilgamesh epos, what doesn't mean I understand this way to live. But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword". Guns make no one free within the USA. Since decades now you always need more guns to fight against more and more guns. Only destruction and death justifies your way to argue any longer. You became a poor guy far from real life.

.

But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword".

.
you are correct about the nra and american christians - bing bond picaro but not americans ...
.
View attachment 387902
.
the originals knew when to leave their guns home and when to use them when they were needed.

there is no place for automatic weapons those people are not american.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates Christians and zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates (knows the crucifiers) Christians and @zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.
and you are a 4th century crucifier ... forger and falsifier of the true events of the 1st century.

Actually, I'm not, dumb ass.

what did I miss? who was CRUCIFYING in the 4th century? As far as I know, the romans had given it up. The greeks?

Apparently I was.

oh---in what country?

Why are you asking me?

I don't know of any country that actively engaged in that sport in 400 AD

the romans had OTHER sportive ways of murdering people-----LOTS

 

[esalla]

esalla

Rich, never educated and nothing to say what makes any sense?

Do you find all the answers to life in songs

Take the pills

Please

 

[esalla]

... What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Sîn-leqe-unnīnnī wrote down the last version of Gilgamesh epos in the 13th century before Christ. But before existed also versions of this epos from the king of Uruk and his friend Enkidu.

What did they write on and how was it stored so that losers could waste their time reading it

Try to read it and you will find out how strange you sound in my view to see the world. The textes of the bible are for sure much more easy able to be understood. Nevertheless I like Enkidu and the Gilgamesh epos, what doesn't mean I understand this way to live. But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword". Guns make no one free within the USA. Since decades now you always need more guns to fight against more and more guns. Only destruction and death justifies your way to argue any longer. You became a poor guy far from real life.

.

But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword".

.
you are correct about the nra and american christians - bing bond picaro but not americans ...
.
View attachment 387902
.
the originals knew when to leave their guns home and when to use them when they were needed.

there is no place for automatic weapons those people are not american.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates Christians and zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates (knows the crucifiers) Christians and @zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.
and you are a 4th century crucifier ... forger and falsifier of the true events of the 1st century.

Actually, I'm not, dumb ass.

what did I miss? who was CRUCIFYING in the 4th century? As far as I know, the romans had given it up. The greeks?

Apparently I was.

oh---in what country?

Why are you asking me?

I don't know of any country that actively engaged in that sport in 400 AD

the romans had OTHER sportive ways of murdering people-----LOTS

Still do

 

[esalla]

Even back when slavery was accepted and pedophilia was accepted there were people who said it was wrong.

Thank God for independent thinkers and logic and truth.

To make one thing clear: A violent pedophile behavior was never accepted from any Catholic since Catholics exist, slave of the modern world.

I don't need your help. I wasn't referring to the Church.

You need help from a psychiatrist

 

[ding]

Even back when slavery was accepted and pedophilia was accepted there were people who said it was wrong.

Thank God for independent thinkers and logic and truth.

To make one thing clear: A violent pedophile behavior was never accepted from any Catholic since Catholics exist, slave of the modern world.

I don't need your help. I wasn't referring to the Church.

You need help from a psychiatrist

Why do I need help?

 

[abu afak]

Dude, you can't even figure out how to properly use the USMB reply button.

Logic and reason determine what is right and wrong, dummy.

So despite THREE Posts you had No answer to my post on their being No 'Universal Morality.
(You were wrong and you 100% dropped it in favor of baiting/trolling.
IOW, You are indeed an [beaten] Asshole and a Demonstrable Troll, Not a board contributor.
Yes that does get me mad.
If I was a mod I you would be sanctioned for stupid off topic trolling.
I don't mind any opinion, I mind disruption of discussion.

`

 

[ding]

Dude, you can't even figure out how to properly use the USMB reply button.

Logic and reason determine what is right and wrong, dummy.

So despite THREE Posts you had No answer to my post on their being No 'Universal Morality.
(You were wrong and you 100% dropped it in favor of baiting/trolling.
IOW, You are indeed an [beaten] Asshole and a Demonstrable Troll, Not a board contributor.
Yes that does get me mad.
If I was a mod I you would be sanctioned for stupid off topic trolling.
I don't mind any opinion, I mind disruption of discussion.

`

I already showed that there is, dummy.

If the universe were created through natural process and we are an accidental happenstance of matter and energy doing what matter and energy do, then there should be no expectation for absolute morals. Morals can be anything we want them to be. The problem is that nature does have a preference for an outcome. Societies and people which behave with virtue experience order and harmony. Societies and people which behave without virtue experience disorder and chaos. So we can see from the outcomes that not all behaviors have equal outcomes. That some behaviors have better outcomes and some behaviors have worse outcomes. This is the moral law at work. If the universe was created by spirit for the express purpose of creating beings that know and create we would expect that we would receive feedback on how we behave. The problem is that violating moral laws are not like violating physical laws. When we violate a physical law the consequences are immediate. If you try to defy gravity by jumping off a roof you will fall. Whereas the consequences for violating a moral law are more probabilistic in nature; many times we get away with it.



Morals are effectively standards. For any given thing there exists a standard which is the highest possible standard. This standard exists independent of anything else. It is in effect a universal standard. It exists for a reason. When we deviate from this standard and normalize our deviance from the standard, eventually the reason the standard exists will be discovered. The reason this happens is because error cannot stand. Eventually error will fail and the truth will be discovered. Thus proving that morals cannot be anything we want them to be but are indeed based upon some universal code of common decency that is independent of man.



So the question that naturally begs to be asked is if there is a universal code of common decency that is independent of man how come we all don't behave the same way when it comes to right and wrong? The reason man doesn't behave the same way is because of subjectivity. The difference between being objective and being subjective is bias. Bias is eliminated when there is no preference for an outcome. To eliminate a preference for an outcome one must have no thought of the consequences to one's self. If one does not practice this they will see subjective truth instead of objective truth. Subjective truth leads to moral relativism. Where consequences to self and preferences for an outcome leads to rationalizations of right and wrong.



Man does know right from wrong and when he violates it rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he did not violate it. You can see this behavior in almost all quarrels and disagreements. At the heart of every quarrel and disagreement is a belief in a universal right and wrong. So even though each side believes right to be different each side expects the other to believe their side should be universally known and accepted. It is this behavior which tells us there is an expectation for an absolute truth.



If there were never a universal truth that existed man would never have an expectation of fairness to begin with because fairness would have no meaning. The fact that each of us has an expectation of fairness and that we expect everyone else to follow ought to raise our suspicion on the origin of that expectation.

 

[LittleNipper]

... What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Sîn-leqe-unnīnnī wrote down the last version of Gilgamesh epos in the 13th century before Christ. But before existed also versions of this epos from the king of Uruk and his friend Enkidu.

What did they write on and how was it stored so that losers could waste their time reading it

Try to read it and you will find out how strange you sound in my view to see the world. The textes of the bible are for sure much more easy able to be understood. Nevertheless I like Enkidu and the Gilgamesh epos, what doesn't mean I understand this way to live. But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword". Guns make no one free within the USA. Since decades now you always need more guns to fight against more and more guns. Only destruction and death justifies your way to argue any longer. You became a poor guy far from real life.

.

But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword".

.
you are correct about the nra and american christians - bing bond picaro but not americans ...
.
View attachment 387902
.
the originals knew when to leave their guns home and when to use them when they were needed.

there is no place for automatic weapons those people are not american.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates Christians and zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

Btw. Since 1789 - in 231 years - for about 2-3 years in total a Catholic was president of the USA. He brought you direction moon and made the USA great. So the USA eliminated all Kennedies - partially physically - out of the politics of the USA.

I would have to disagree here in a big way. If a man like Eisenhower had still been in office, there would have been no way Bible reading, opening prayer, and REAL Baccalaureate Ceremonies/Services would have been removed from public education. This marked the speedy slide of education from the search for the sublime to that of the absurd. And a breakdown of authority in the public "educational" system. It took only one Catholic President to undermine nearly 200 years of consideration of the spiritual to a total disregard for it as an important factor, and to replace it with material gain as the prime objective. You can try to blame it on the Supreme Court; however, the Democrats had been nibbling away at the public importance of encouraging Spiritual discernment for years, and Kennedy but put the icing on the whole sugary cake.

And why do you tell me this? What exactly do you say here? That to be the same time a Catholic and an US-American is an impossible thing? Catholics don't have any right to be US-Americans?

By the way: Everyone who helps the US-government to seperate mothers and children of migrants spits in the face of god.

I'm saying Kennedy was Roman Catholic and a Democrat, who not only did nothing to help the move to eject Castro from Cuba, and nothing to reverse the damage done to the US public school education through the Supreme Court, but cheated on his wife and got us into the Vietnam conflict. Kennedy's father was a known bootlegger who lavished his sons with political appointments. Kennedy though made a young good looking President who had stylish wife and lovely children ---- I'll give him that.

 

[esalla]

Even back when slavery was accepted and pedophilia was accepted there were people who said it was wrong.

Thank God for independent thinkers and logic and truth.

To make one thing clear: A violent pedophile behavior was never accepted from any Catholic since Catholics exist, slave of the modern world.

I don't need your help. I wasn't referring to the Church.

You need help from a psychiatrist

Why do I need help?

Because most if not all psychos say, why do I need help?

 

[ding]

Even back when slavery was accepted and pedophilia was accepted there were people who said it was wrong.

Thank God for independent thinkers and logic and truth.

To make one thing clear: A violent pedophile behavior was never accepted from any Catholic since Catholics exist, slave of the modern world.

I don't need your help. I wasn't referring to the Church.

You need help from a psychiatrist

Why do I need help?

Because most if not all psychos say, why do I need help?

That was asked after you said I needed help from a psychiatrist, dummy.

 

[james bond]

the romans had OTHER sportive ways of murdering people-----LOTS

Sure, ways of being tortured to death are probably endless, but one crucifixion and its aftermath saved everyone past, present, and in the future.

People will always die even if they are murdered, i.e. morally wrong. Death is still the physical problem due to original sin and it won't be fixed until Jesus comes back to Earth for vengeance the second time. Thus, pain and suffering in this life is the norm or what is expected. The moral problem is whether one believes in Jesus as Savior or not and that may be the #1 issue. However, the non-believers want proof and do not have the requisite "faith." Instead, they have developed a different faith in no God/gods and we still have pain and suffering as the norm.

 

[james bond]

Because most if not all psychos say, why do I need help?

Being schizo and talking about it such as with psychos shouldn't be part of R&E. I think you have received the help since you seem to know a lot about medications, so just follow the directions and take your meds. Then those who want to discuss R&E topics won't have to be interrupted by your symptoms and disability.

 

[irosie91]

the romans had OTHER sportive ways of murdering people-----LOTS

Sure, ways of being tortured to death are probably endless, but one crucifixion and its aftermath saved everyone past, present, and in the future.

People will always die even if they are murdered, i.e. morally wrong. Death is still the physical problem due to original sin and it won't be fixed until Jesus comes back to Earth for vengeance the second time. Thus, pain and suffering in this life is the norm or what is expected. The moral problem is whether one believes in Jesus as Savior or not and that may be the #1 issue. However, the non-believers want proof and do not have the requisite "faith." Instead, they have developed a different faith in no God/gods and we still have pain and suffering as the norm.

yeah RIGHT----I heard it all in sunday school

 

[BreezeWood]

... What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Sîn-leqe-unnīnnī wrote down the last version of Gilgamesh epos in the 13th century before Christ. But before existed also versions of this epos from the king of Uruk and his friend Enkidu.

What did they write on and how was it stored so that losers could waste their time reading it

Try to read it and you will find out how strange you sound in my view to see the world. The textes of the bible are for sure much more easy able to be understood. Nevertheless I like Enkidu and the Gilgamesh epos, what doesn't mean I understand this way to live. But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword". Guns make no one free within the USA. Since decades now you always need more guns to fight against more and more guns. Only destruction and death justifies your way to argue any longer. You became a poor guy far from real life.

.

But I also don't understand the way to live of the US-American weapon fetishists and the slavery of all US-Americans in context of criminal organsations as for example the NRA, which makes the whole USA to a victim of the drug "sword".

.
you are correct about the nra and american christians - bing bond picaro but not americans ...
.
View attachment 387902
.
the originals knew when to leave their guns home and when to use them when they were needed.

there is no place for automatic weapons those people are not american.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates Christians and zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.

Let's see... you are a liberation theologist who hates (knows the crucifiers) Christians and @zaangalewa is a self loathing German socialist Catholic....


... you two should hit it off.

.
and you are a 4th century crucifier ... forger and falsifier of the true events of the 1st century.

Actually, I'm not, dumb ass.

what did I miss? who was CRUCIFYING in the 4th century? As far as I know, the romans had given it up. The greeks?

Apparently I was.

oh---in what country?

Why are you asking me?

I don't know of any country that actively engaged in that sport in 400 AD

.

I don't know of any country that actively engaged in that sport in 400 AD

.
seriously.

were they ever brought to justice, snowflake -
.

.
what goes around comes around.

Apparently I was.

.
they wrote your book, the christian bible you are one of them. and have yet to be stopped. making yourself great again.