How many deaths are necessary before something should be banned?

[M14 Shooter]

In a “target rich environment” like a mall or a school the recoil on an AR is so slight it would hardly matter. Pray and spray.

Another idiot speaks.

Do that with a shotgun and you are all over the place. Ceilings floor walls. And you’re empty after six shots at best.

Another idiot speaks again

Reloading takes time so you’re vulnerable that whole time

And again.

With an AR you can put those shots pretty much where you want them because there is so little recoil. Not to mention how many more shots you have or how quickly you can reload

And... again.

Still waiting for your demonstration that the same shooter could not have killed the same number of people, using a pump action shotgun.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How many of those weapons are in circulation?

Another idiot speaks.

I have three of them.
Easy to find - especially on line.

How many hold more than 6 rounds ?

The DP-12 holds 2x(8+1)
The AK based shotguns have 20-rd drums.

Still waiting for your demonstration that the same shooter could not have killed the same number of people, using a pump action shotgun.

 

[Lesh]

Another idiot speaks.

I have three of them.
Easy to find - especially on line.

The DP-12 holds 2x(8+1)
The AK based shotguns have 20-rd drums.

Still waiting for your demonstration that the same shooter could not have killed the same number of people, using a pump action shotgun.

Has anyone ever used one of these mega magazine shotguns to do a mass murder?

Ever?

 

[2aguy]

Has anyone ever used one of these mega magazine shotguns to do a mass murder?

Ever?

They are just waiting for you anti-gun extremsits to advertise them as being super scary....like you have done for the AR-15, doing your best to make them popular with mass public shooters so you can get dead kids to use for your gun control dreams.....

 

[AZrailwhale]

Has anyone ever used one of these mega magazine shotguns to do a mass murder?

Ever?

No, they haven’t needed them, standard pump shotguns do the job just fine.

 

[2aguy]

No, they haven’t needed them, standard pump shotguns do the job just fine.

In fact..........

The gun does not determine how many are killed

Magazine capacity does not determine how many are killed......


The amount of time the killer has in a gun free zone before someone shoots at and stops them determines how many get killed



Nashville

AR-15 rifle 6 killed


A Rental Truck in Nice, France, in 5 minutes.....

86 killed, 450 wounded...more than any mass public shooting in the U.S.


Cumbria shooting in Britain...

...no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle

13 killed, 11 injured....


Kerch, Russia

5 shot, pump action shotgun, not a rifle, no magazine

20 killed

Navy Yard shooting

5 shot, pump action shotgun,not a rifle, no magazine

12 killed


Santa Fe, High school shooting

No rifle, pump action shotgun, .38 caliber revolver

10 killed


1928, Fairfield, California shooting

Lever action rifle 11 killed

Leung Ying - Wikipedia

1903, Winfield, Kansas shooting

8 killed, double barreled shotgun

1949, Camden, New Jersey shooting

11 killed, 8 shot, semi-automatic, German Luger pistol

Howard Unruh - Wikipedia

The Story of the First Mass Shooting in U.S. History

Luby's Cafe

24 killed, 2 pistols

Virgina Tech

32 people killed, 2 pistols.


==========
From 1982....various attacks.....most done without rifles, you twit.


Gilroy, semi-auto rifle with large magazine....3 killed

Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa member, elizabeth warren supporter, semi-auto rifle with regular magazine....9 killed.

Umpquaa Community college shooting....5 pistols, 9 killed

Charleston Church shooting, 9 dead, 1 pistol.

Atlanta spree shooting.... 9 dead 3 pistols

Red Lake shooting 10 dead 2 pistols.

Santa Fe High school shooting...no rifle, no magazine.....shot gun and .38 revolver... 10 killed

Russian Polytechnic school shooting.... no rifle, no magazine.....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun....20 killed, 40 injured.

Navy Yard shooting.... no rifle, no magazine, tube fed pump action shotgun, 5,6 or 7 shot pump action shotgun....12 killed

Virginia Tech.... 32 people killed, 2 pistols.

Luby's cafe.... 24 killed, 2 pistols

British, Cumbria shooting....no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle 13 killed, 11 injured....

Fort Hood....1 pistol....13 killed

Virginia beach...2 pistols .... 12 killed

 

[M14 Shooter]

Has anyone ever used one of these mega magazine shotguns to do a mass murder?

Another idiots speaks.
You asked a question, and you didn't like the answer.
Aww.

Still waiting for your demonstration that the same shooter could not have killed the same number of people, using a pump action shotgun.

 

[sealybobo]

How many black people did Rittenhouse shoot?

You are SO good and finding new and unusual ways to be wrong
"All bearable arms".
Your opinion doesn't matter.

Until that happens:
My right to own and use an AR15 is protected by the constitution, , and there's not thing one you can do about it.

So far. Hopefully society doesn’t keep getting more fucked up

 

[Lesh]

No, they haven’t needed them, standard pump shotguns do the job just fine.

They do not…compared to an AR

 

[Natural Citizen]

you dont have a right to a car,,

straw purchases are illegal.
Guns are a right.
Cars are not.
Do you see my points?

Cars are property. Property rights are fundamental to pretty much the whole of the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

At best, one could contend that you don't have a right to operate it on ''muh roads.''

That's why I'm a proponent of private roads.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Don't matter anyway.

That ''license'' is now required for either is already an indicator that people have failed the Framers' expectation of the electorate's will to defend their rights.

The constitution was meant to limit government. Not the people.

How quickly we forget...

 

[Natural Citizen]

We want background checks and common sense regulations.

Background checks are a violation of the 1st, 5th, and 10th Amendments.

Firstly, background checks are a violation of the 1st Amendment because it compels Individuals to speak and to provide information about themselves in order to acquire a gun.

Secondly, background checks violate the 5th Amendment because Individuals are compelled to provide evidence against themselves in order to acquire a gun.

Additionally, background checks violate the 10th Amendment because the requirement to provide this information is not something that is explicitely stated as a power of the federal government in the Constitution.

If anyone had that power it would be the states and local government, but even the states have their own 2nd amendments.

 

[2aguy]

They do not…compared to an AR

Wrong....

The gun does not determine how many are killed

Magazine capacity does not determine how many are killed......

The amount of time the killer has in a gun free zone before someone shoots at and stops them determines how many get killed

Nashville
AR-15 rifle 6 killed

A Rental Truck in Nice, France, in 5 minutes.....

86 killed, 450 wounded...more than any mass public shooting in the U.S.

Cumbria shooting in Britain...
...no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle

13 killed, 11 injured....


Kerch, Russia

5 shot, pump action shotgun, not a rifle, no magazine
20 killed

Navy Yard shooting
5 shot, pump action shotgun,not a rifle, no magazine

12 killed

Santa Fe, High school shooting

No rifle, pump action shotgun, .38 caliber revolver

10 killed

1928, Fairfield, California shooting

Lever action rifle 11 killed

Leung Ying - Wikipedia

1903, Winfield, Kansas shooting

8 killed, double barreled shotgun

1949, Camden, New Jersey shooting

11 killed, 8 shot, semi-automatic, German Luger pistol

Howard Unruh - Wikipedia

The Story of the First Mass Shooting in U.S. History



Luby's Cafe

24 killed, 2 pistols

Virgina Tech

32 people killed, 2 pistols.

 

[sealybobo]

Background checks are a violation of the 1st, 5th, and 10th Amendments.

Firstly, background checks are a violation of the 1st Amendment because it compels Individuals to speak and to provide information about themselves in order to acquire a gun.

Secondly, background checks violate the 5th Amendment because Individuals are compelled to provide evidence against themselves in order to acquire a gun.

Additionally, background checks violate the 10th Amendment because the requirement to provide this information is not something that is explicitely stated as a power of the federal government in the Constitution.

If anyone had that power it would be the states and local government, but even the states have their own 2nd amendments.

Then add another amendment to those amendments. It can be done. If we can't handle guns they'll be taken away. What if 10% of Americans die next year of guns. Like all the trump supporters start a civil war. We may have to round up your guns. But just yours. I'll be able to keep mine because I voted for Biden. LOL My hunting gun. I don't have an assault rifle.

Or we should tax the fuck out of those guns. That's a way to solve the debt and lower the number of nuts who get their hands on a gun like that. 100% tax. How much does an assault rifle cost? Let's say it's $1000. Not anymore. It's $2000 now. And you have to register to buy it of course and the gov sends out a DO A FULL BACKGROUND CHECK on this nut.

You know what's funny? When a guy shoots up a place and they search his house later, i always think it's funny when they show all the guns the guy had. Dude, you could do that in my house. Lay out my derringer, 410, 450, 1911, muzzleloader and crossbow and make me look like a gun nut too. I always think they make too much of a big deal over how many guns the guy had. Because that's suggesting if you saw that before the shooting, that would be some sort of a red flag. It's not. A lot of gun lovers have lots of guns. I get it. Each of them does something a little different. I was talked into the 450 bushmaster and I wish I got the gun that's a little less powerful. 350? My brother has one and it doesn't have the kick the 450 has.

Anyways, I'm pro gun too. I just don't mind adding more regulations if it'll stop some nuts from getting their hands on guns. Not solve the problem just mitigate.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Then add another amendment to those amendments. It can be done. If we can't handle guns they'll be taken away. What if 10% of Americans die next year of guns. Like all the trump supporters start a civil war. We may have to round up your guns. But just yours. I'll be able to keep mine because I voted for Biden. LOL My hunting gun. I don't have an assault rifle.

Or we should tax the fuck out of those guns. That's a way to solve the debt and lower the number of nuts who get their hands on a gun like that. 100% tax. How much does an assault rifle cost? Let's say it's $1000. Not anymore. It's $2000 now. And you have to register to buy it of course and the gov sends out a DO A FULL BACKGROUND CHECK on this nut.

You know what's funny? When a guy shoots up a place and they search his house later, i always think it's funny when they show all the guns the guy had. Dude, you could do that in my house. Lay out my derringer, 410, 450, 1911, muzzleloader and crossbow and make me look like a gun nut too. I always think they make too much of a big deal over how many guns the guy had. Because that's suggesting if you saw that before the shooting, that would be some sort of a red flag. It's not. A lot of gun lovers have lots of guns. I get it. Each of them does something a little different. I was talked into the 450 bushmaster and I wish I got the gun that's a little less powerful. 350? My brother has one and it doesn't have the kick the 450 has.

Anyways, I'm pro gun too. I just don't mind adding more regulations if it'll stop some nuts from getting their hands on guns. Not solve the problem just mitigate.

You just love to violate the Constitution, don't you? You can't tax a right. You can't require a test or a license to use the right. Or shall we go back to poll taxes and tests to see who can vote? The problem is who decides what those taxes are and what the requirement for the test is.

 

[sealybobo]

You just love to violate the Constitution, don't you? You can't tax a right. You can't require a test or a license to use the right. Or shall we go back to poll taxes and tests to see who can vote? The problem is who decides what those taxes are and what the requirement for the test is.

Me? I'm just telling you if things keep getting worse, the government might have to pass new laws or add amendments that solve our gun problem. You do acknowledge we have a gun problem right? The rest of the world is in shock at our gun violence problem, and how no matter what happens we do nothing.

But don't say me. Trump would violate the constitution. Don't believe me he would? Let's ask him.

National debate about gun control Trump says take guns first and worry about 'due process second' in White House gun meeting

 

[2aguy]

Me? I'm just telling you if things keep getting worse, the government might have to pass new laws or add amendments that solve our gun problem. You do acknowledge we have a gun problem right? The rest of the world is in shock at our gun violence problem, and how no matter what happens we do nothing.

But don't say me. Trump would violate the constitution. Don't believe me he would? Let's ask him.

National debate about gun control Trump says take guns first and worry about 'due process second' in White House gun meeting

Things aren't getting worse......the gun murder rate in democrat party cities is leveling off since the gang members are running out of gang members to shoot....

And more and more Americans are buying guns as the gun murder rate is leveling off.....showing that, again, it isn't guns that is the problem...it is the democrat party and it's policies......attacking the police, releasing violent gun offenders, importing criminals from foreign countries....

 

[2aguy]

Me? I'm just telling you if things keep getting worse, the government might have to pass new laws or add amendments that solve our gun problem. You do acknowledge we have a gun problem right? The rest of the world is in shock at our gun violence problem, and how no matter what happens we do nothing.

But don't say me. Trump would violate the constitution. Don't believe me he would? Let's ask him.

National debate about gun control Trump says take guns first and worry about 'due process second' in White House gun meeting

The rest of the world murdered 200 million innocent people....after banning and confiscating their guns.....sell your "rest of the world" bullshit to the uninformed Americans you want to make sure can't stop you.

 

[sealybobo]

The rest of the world murdered 200 million innocent people....after banning and confiscating their guns.....sell your "rest of the world" bullshit to the uninformed Americans you want to make sure can't stop you.

There were 542 homicides reported by police in Canada for a rate of 1.8 per 100,000 population, compared to 15,517 homicides in the U.S., for a rate of 5.5 per 100,000 population. The proportion of homicides committed by strangers was slightly higher in the United States (23% compared to 17% in Canada).

 

[Lesh]

You just love to violate the Constitution, don't you? You can't tax a right. You can't require a test or a license to use the right. Or shall we go back to poll taxes and tests to see who can vote? The problem is who decides what those taxes are and what the requirement for the test is.

Really? They already DO tax guns. I guess that’s not unconstitutional after all