How much of your success was because of Government? ....

[Bern80]

Why are so many ashamed to admit that the government actually does some good things?

I'm not. No one here that I can see is arguing for no government. They certainly do many things that make life easier and safer and allow us to pursue our desires as opposed to having to worry about other things. But we've all heard the phrase 'the buck stops here'. That's basically the way being successful works. No one, not even government, can make you successful. They can not make you good at whatever it is you do. At the end of the day it takes your choice and effort to be successful. Certainly government can foster an environment that has various opportunities. Whether said opportunities are taken advantage of and ultimately lead to some measure of success is still on you.

 

[driveby]

Why are so many ashamed to admit that the government actually does some good things?

They do some good things, it's just some of our marxist wanna be "leaders" need to cool it with the "you'd have never made it without me, so you need to give me more money" nonsense......

 

[Cuyo]

Well now lets see.

I grew up healthy thanks to Government's intervention in food and water and preventing companies from poisoning me (accidentally of course). I attended and graduated a public school (thanks taxpayers!) which allowed me to get into a University. I was able to pay that tuition through working and Pell Grants and guaranteed loans (thanks again taxpayers!). I then moved across the country (nice highways) and was able to start working in an industry I love.

Since then, it's been all me. But I think it's fair to say I would not be where I am today without our government.

Well let's see.

Did the governmet provide all those things out of the kindness of their hearts or were these things paid for by tax payers working in the private sector?

Are you saying that somebody here has claimed that the government is not funded by taxpayers?

Or are you just a pissed-off malcontent mounting unfounded and ridiculous criticisms of the government on the internets, simply because you can?

 

[driveby]

Well now lets see.

I grew up healthy thanks to Government's intervention in food and water and preventing companies from poisoning me (accidentally of course). I attended and graduated a public school (thanks taxpayers!) which allowed me to get into a University. I was able to pay that tuition through working and Pell Grants and guaranteed loans (thanks again taxpayers!). I then moved across the country (nice highways) and was able to start working in an industry I love.

Since then, it's been all me. But I think it's fair to say I would not be where I am today without our government.

Well let's see.

Did the governmet provide all those things out of the kindness of their hearts or were these things paid for by tax payers working in the private sector?

Are you saying that somebody here has claimed that the government is not funded by taxpayers?

Or are you just a pissed-off malcontent mounting unfounded and ridiculous criticisms of the government on the internets, simply because you can?

Do you claim someone like Steve Jobs should have been giving a lot more of HIS MONEY to the government because he never would have made it without them?

Are you just another holier than thou wanna be socialist who thinks Barack Obama deserves more of successful taxpayers money because Barack Obama's teleprompter makes ridiculous claims regarding people not paying their "fair share" to the almighty government? .....

 

[L.K.Eder]

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clearly a lot of posters need an educational movie like the one above.

just replace "zinc oxide" with "the gubmint"

 

[Cuyo]

Well let's see.

Did the governmet provide all those things out of the kindness of their hearts or were these things paid for by tax payers working in the private sector?

Are you saying that somebody here has claimed that the government is not funded by taxpayers?

Or are you just a pissed-off malcontent mounting unfounded and ridiculous criticisms of the government on the internets, simply because you can?

Do you claim someone like Steve Jobs should have been giving a lot more of HIS MONEY to the government because he never would have made it without them?

Are you just another holier than thou wanna be socialist who thinks Barack Obama deserves more of successful taxpayers money because Barack Obama's teleprompter makes ridiculous claims regarding people not paying their "fair share" to the almighty government? .....

Barack doesn't keep the money, Einstein.

And as long as we're speaking in absolutes, no, Steve Jobs could not have amassed his fortunes in the absence of government. In fact the concept of 'HIS MONEY,' or any money for that matter, would not likely exist in any consistent form.

 

[driveby]

Are you saying that somebody here has claimed that the government is not funded by taxpayers?

Or are you just a pissed-off malcontent mounting unfounded and ridiculous criticisms of the government on the internets, simply because you can?

Do you claim someone like Steve Jobs should have been giving a lot more of HIS MONEY to the government because he never would have made it without them?

Are you just another holier than thou wanna be socialist who thinks Barack Obama deserves more of successful taxpayers money because Barack Obama's teleprompter makes ridiculous claims regarding people not paying their "fair share" to the almighty government? .....

Barack doesn't keep the money, Einstein.

And as long as we're speaking in absolutes, no, Steve Jobs could not have amassed his fortunes in the absence of government. In fact the concept of 'HIS MONEY,' or any money for that matter, would not likely exist in any consistent form.

Despite the stellar government education you received, it seems you struggle to recognize the difference between literally speaking and figuratively speaking.

How many gubment programs were funded because of people like Steve Jobs? It's a chicken vs. egg debate, but i have a real problem with jokers like Elizabeth Warren and Obama pointing their condescending fingers at the very people that enable them to be in the position they're in. Folks like yourself are obviously ok with that. I'd bet Steve Jobs and many others like him pay more than their "fair share", whatever the hell that is......

 

[AVG-JOE]

Why are so many ashamed to admit that the government actually does some good things?

With the exception of pushing ideology at all costs,

 

[Moonglow]

even big business, and farmers take governmental aid

 

[Care4all]

It looks like the President is now using the same rhetoric that the fully clothed Marxist Elizabeth Warren is using, "no one made it on their own, including Steve Jobs". I'm just curious to know on a percentage basis, how much did Government have to do with your success?


I'll be generous and say maybe 15% for me, what say you?

I'd say all of it. Not necessary the present government or previous gvt officials....but due to the government of the United States of America, we are a country, like no other....with hard times and good times behind us and hard times and good times before us....I wouldn't choose to live anywhere else.....even with all of our faults....

And I have lived in others places, like Italy and Germany and Puerto Rico....so I believe I have a better idea of what I am talking about than most people....we have a pretty darn good country here and our gvt, as crappy as it can be....is a delight compared to the gvts in most other countries imo.

So, if it wasn't for :



We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I probably would have never been as successful as I was, if it had not been for my Nation, and that means my government.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

It looks like the President is now using the same rhetoric that the fully clothed Marxist Elizabeth Warren is using, "no one made it on their own, including Steve Jobs". I'm just curious to know on a percentage basis, how much did Government have to do with your success?


I'll be generous and say maybe 15% for me, what say you?

Well since the govt, since I started working, has been taking a percentage of all the money I make on the local, state, and federal level I think the govt has actually held me back.

 

[jillian]

It looks like the President is now using the same rhetoric that the fully clothed Marxist Elizabeth Warren is using, "no one made it on their own, including Steve Jobs". I'm just curious to know on a percentage basis, how much did Government have to do with your success?


I'll be generous and say maybe 15% for me, what say you?

NONE
Id be more successful and prosperous if they would butt out!

whining loser...

 

[editec]

Steve Jobs made a fortune selling Apple products to your local schools, folks.

Most fortune 500 companies make a LOT of money selling to governments.

 

[Warrior102]

Steve Jobs made a fortune selling Apple products to your local schools, folks.

Most fortune 500 companies make a LOT of money selling to governments.

Correct. Government is incapable of producing anything. They must rely on outside sources. Name something the government invented for the good/the benefit of the masses ?

 

[Ava]

It looks like the President is now using the same rhetoric that the fully clothed Marxist Elizabeth Warren is using, "no one made it on their own, including Steve Jobs". I'm just curious to know on a percentage basis, how much did Government have to do with your success?


I'll be generous and say maybe 15% for me, what say you?

I am successful in spite of the government...

 

[Hardball_Refuge]

It looks like the President is now using the same rhetoric that the fully clothed Marxist Elizabeth Warren is using, "no one made it on their own, including Steve Jobs". I'm just curious to know on a percentage basis, how much did Government have to do with your success?


I'll be generous and say maybe 15% for me, what say you?

-Well, I was born in a hospital that is tax-exempt (read: government support), For a time I attended public school (read: government support), I recieved fine traning and life skills courtesy of the US military (read:government support), I had part of of my higher education costs paid through student loans and vet benefits (read:government support). I drive to work daily using the interstate road system (read:government support)...

 

[Cuyo]

Steve Jobs made a fortune selling Apple products to your local schools, folks.

Most fortune 500 companies make a LOT of money selling to governments.

Correct. Government is incapable of producing anything. They must rely on outside sources. Name something the government invented for the good/the benefit of the masses ?

Government services are mostly just that - Services. They could produce stuff but that's not the business they're in. But they're hardly incapable.

Oh and to the second part of your post... The internet comes to mind... That thing you're using right now to have this conversation...

 

[Cuyo]

It looks like the President is now using the same rhetoric that the fully clothed Marxist Elizabeth Warren is using, "no one made it on their own, including Steve Jobs". I'm just curious to know on a percentage basis, how much did Government have to do with your success?


I'll be generous and say maybe 15% for me, what say you?

Well since the govt, since I started working, has been taking a percentage of all the money I make on the local, state, and federal level I think the govt has actually held me back.

OTH, "The money you make" wouldn't exist in absence of government...

You guys.. Just don't get it. You really don't.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

It looks like the President is now using the same rhetoric that the fully clothed Marxist Elizabeth Warren is using, "no one made it on their own, including Steve Jobs". I'm just curious to know on a percentage basis, how much did Government have to do with your success?


I'll be generous and say maybe 15% for me, what say you?

Well since the govt, since I started working, has been taking a percentage of all the money I make on the local, state, and federal level I think the govt has actually held me back.

OTH, "The money you make" wouldn't exist in absence of government...

You guys.. Just don't get it. You really don't.

I didn't say I wanted no govt. No red herrings please. If there was an absense of government then your thread doesn't make sense.

You asked if the govt has helped me succeed and I said it had not helped me succeed as it has only taken away from what I have earned for myself.

 

[driveby]

It looks like the President is now using the same rhetoric that the fully clothed Marxist Elizabeth Warren is using, "no one made it on their own, including Steve Jobs". I'm just curious to know on a percentage basis, how much did Government have to do with your success?


I'll be generous and say maybe 15% for me, what say you?

-Well, I was born in a hospital that is tax-exempt (read: government support), For a time I attended public school (read: government support), I recieved fine traning and life skills courtesy of the US military (read:government support), I had part of of my higher education costs paid through student loans and vet benefits (read:government support). I drive to work daily using the interstate road system (read:government support)...

Where'd government get the resources to do all those wonderful things?....