How Shutdown Exposed The Lie At Heart Of The Anti Union Right To Work Movement

[skews13]

These are the organizations — unions — that reactionary far-right groups have spent the last seven months urging workers to quit. “Get out now that you can,” the right-wingers calling themselves right-to-work patrons told public sector employees in YouTube videos, Facebook ads, tweets, telephone calls and door-to-door solicitations. They spent millions trying to kill the unions that are now buttressing federal workers. So where were those right-to-work groups during the shutdown? Where was that National Right to Work (RTW) Foundation when hundreds of thousands of federal workers were locked out of their jobs and really wanted the right to work—with pay?

Nobody’s heard a peep from them.

That’s because they’re all bogus. They’re not about a right to work. They’re about destroying unions, and the higher wages and better benefits that collective bargaining gets for workers. They’re not going to help federal workers get back on the job. They’re interested only in ensuring that the millionaires and billionaires that bankroll RTW keep more money in their pockets while workers get less.

How shutdown exposed the lie at the heart of the anti-union ‘right-to-work’ movement

@skews No personal content. Provide some, or I close the thread

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Write Nancy Pelosi a letter about her gov. shutdown.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

These are the organizations — unions — that reactionary far-right groups have spent the last seven months urging workers to quit. “Get out now that you can,” the right-wingers calling themselves right-to-work patrons told public sector employees in YouTube videos, Facebook ads, tweets, telephone calls and door-to-door solicitations. They spent millions trying to kill the unions that are now buttressing federal workers. So where were those right-to-work groups during the shutdown? Where was that National Right to Work (RTW) Foundation when hundreds of thousands of federal workers were locked out of their jobs and really wanted the right to work—with pay?

Nobody’s heard a peep from them.

That’s because they’re all bogus. They’re not about a right to work. They’re about destroying unions, and the higher wages and better benefits that collective bargaining gets for workers. They’re not going to help federal workers get back on the job. They’re interested only in ensuring that the millionaires and billionaires that bankroll RTW keep more money in their pockets while workers get less.

How shutdown exposed the lie at the heart of the anti-union ‘right-to-work’ movement

I wouldn't be so interested in killing unions if they didn't suck so much.

Die unions, die!!

 

[Lesh]

Of course what finally ended the Shut Down was the action of a couple air traffic controllers who stood up and said

NO MORE

And that's CLASSIC union style activity

 

[skews13]

Of course what finally ended the Shut Down was the action of a couple air traffic controllers who stood up and said

NO MORE

And that's CLASSIC union style activity

Labor unions were the primary reason for the vibrant middleclass between 1945-1980. Right to work laws were the primary reason for the destruction of it. Along with the trickle down failed policies of the Reagan era. Americans are waking up to that fact now, and there is a resurgence of union membership, and now a majority of Americans that support not only unions, but the tax and regulatory policies being out forward by new Democratic House members.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The unions need to push on and ensure that this sort of thing doesnt happen again. Unbalanced loons like Pres White Flag should not be able to hold civil servants hostage.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Unions are a joke. They claim they're working for the little man as they get him an extra nickel an hour while they take millions for themselves. The gullibles eat this up.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

These are the organizations — unions — that reactionary far-right groups have spent the last seven months urging workers to quit. “Get out now that you can,” the right-wingers calling themselves right-to-work patrons told public sector employees in YouTube videos, Facebook ads, tweets, telephone calls and door-to-door solicitations. They spent millions trying to kill the unions that are now buttressing federal workers. So where were those right-to-work groups during the shutdown? Where was that National Right to Work (RTW) Foundation when hundreds of thousands of federal workers were locked out of their jobs and really wanted the right to work—with pay?

Nobody’s heard a peep from them.

That’s because they’re all bogus. They’re not about a right to work. They’re about destroying unions, and the higher wages and better benefits that collective bargaining gets for workers. They’re not going to help federal workers get back on the job. They’re interested only in ensuring that the millionaires and billionaires that bankroll RTW keep more money in their pockets while workers get less.

How shutdown exposed the lie at the heart of the anti-union ‘right-to-work’ movement

Government employee unions are a joke and should be outlawed. They do nothing, they cannot affect pay, hours, benefits, or anything a union normally tries to control.

 

[skews13]

Unions are a joke. They claim they're working for the little man as they get him an extra nickel an hour while they take millions for themselves. The gullibles eat this up.

Shows how much you know about labor unions. The average pay for a non union electrician is $18-24 per hour. The average pay for a union electrician is $32-45 per hour. With as much as $11 per hour paid toward retirement, and health insurance that is 100% paid for with no out of pocket costs. For the price of one hour of pay per month for dues.

It's the gullibles that are stupid enough to work for non union contractors.

 

[Lesh]

Government employee unions are a joke and should be outlawed. They do nothing, they cannot affect pay, hours, benefits, or anything a union normally tries to control.

Where that's true...it is BECAUSE of right wing attacks on unions

Of note...contractors...many who would have been union Federal workers had not their jobs been privatized..receive LOWER pay and will get NOTHING back of the wages lost during the shut down

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Unions are a joke. They claim they're working for the little man as they get him an extra nickel an hour while they take millions for themselves. The gullibles eat this up.

Shows how much you know about labor unions. The average pay for a non union electrician is $18-24 per hour. The average pay for a union electrician is $32-45 per hour. With as much as $11 per hour paid toward retirement, and health insurance that is 100% paid for with no out of pocket costs. For the price of one hour of pay per month for dues.

It's the gullibles that are stupid enough to work for non union contractors.

No, the union leaders laugh at you while you throw your worship on them. If anything, Id love to be a union leader, rake in millions and have the employees heap praise when you get them a nickel an hour raise. Good gig.

 

[occupied]

Most conservatives agree that collective bargaining brought us some good things in the past but went too far, there is a valid argument in that, I wonder how far back to the bad old days of the robber barons we need to go before they think we need them again.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

These are the organizations — unions — that reactionary far-right groups have spent the last seven months urging workers to quit. “Get out now that you can,” the right-wingers calling themselves right-to-work patrons told public sector employees in YouTube videos, Facebook ads, tweets, telephone calls and door-to-door solicitations. They spent millions trying to kill the unions that are now buttressing federal workers. So where were those right-to-work groups during the shutdown? Where was that National Right to Work (RTW) Foundation when hundreds of thousands of federal workers were locked out of their jobs and really wanted the right to work—with pay?

Nobody’s heard a peep from them.

That’s because they’re all bogus. They’re not about a right to work. They’re about destroying unions, and the higher wages and better benefits that collective bargaining gets for workers. They’re not going to help federal workers get back on the job. They’re interested only in ensuring that the millionaires and billionaires that bankroll RTW keep more money in their pockets while workers get less.

How shutdown exposed the lie at the heart of the anti-union ‘right-to-work’ movement

Correct.

It’s not about a ‘right’ to work – it’s about the ‘right’ to work for low wages, the ‘right’ to be fired for any capricious reason, the ‘right’ to go without health insurance and other benefits.

‘Right to work’ is in fact a lie; it’s about benefiting employers to the disadvantage of workers.

 

[sartre play]

Unions got greedy and helped their own down fall. yet unions helped build the rise of working Americans into the middle class. now right to work laws & the decline of unions have decreased the ability of working Americans to obtain middle class goals.

 

[Indeependent]

The corporate world has “unions”...all the directors and CEOs meet at banquets and barbecues and decide how to fire more Americans.

 

[Jolly Roger]

There is no question that some union leaders were corrupt, and their actions cast an ugly shadow over the union system. In most cases those guys have been swept away and many are in prison. Are there still corrupt union leaders out there? No doubt there are, and they are the problem. But I've never yet seen a good explanation for why membership in a union for workers is inherently bad. Union workers get more money and better benefits than non union workers by a large margin. And I've never yet seen a good explanation of how the lower pay, worse or non existent benefits, and less job security is better for workers under "right to work" laws. I do see how right to work is far better for the business owners than unions. Possibly someone can explain these things to me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no question that some union leaders were corrupt, and their actions cast an ugly shadow over the union system. In most cases those guys have been swept away and many are in prison. Are there still corrupt union leaders out there? No doubt there are, and they are the problem. But I've never yet seen a good explanation for why membership in a union for workers is inherently bad. Union workers get more money and better benefits than non union workers by a large margin. And I've never yet seen a good explanation of how the lower pay, worse or non existent benefits, and less job security is better for workers under "right to work" laws. I do see how right to work is far better for the business owners than unions. Possibly someone can explain these things to me.

The unions saved jobs at Hostess...….not to mention the higher pay, and great benefits.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Government employee unions are a joke and should be outlawed. They do nothing, they cannot affect pay, hours, benefits, or anything a union normally tries to control.

Where that's true...it is BECAUSE of right wing attacks on unions

Of note...contractors...many who would have been union Federal workers had not their jobs been privatized..receive LOWER pay and will get NOTHING back of the wages lost during the shut down

It is not true because of that, it is true because Fed workers salaries, hours, benefits are all set by congress.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Unions are a joke. They claim they're working for the little man as they get him an extra nickel an hour while they take millions for themselves. The gullibles eat this up.

Shows how much you know about labor unions. The average pay for a non union electrician is $18-24 per hour. The average pay for a union electrician is $32-45 per hour. With as much as $11 per hour paid toward retirement, and health insurance that is 100% paid for with no out of pocket costs. For the price of one hour of pay per month for dues.

It's the gullibles that are stupid enough to work for non union contractors.

No, the union leaders laugh at you while you throw your worship on them. If anything, Id love to be a union leader, rake in millions and have the employees heap praise when you get them a nickel an hour raise. Good gig.

Funny as a union pipefitter I have never got less than a dollar an hr raise. Try again

 

[Lesh]

Unions got greedy and helped their own down fall. yet unions helped build the rise of working Americans into the middle class. now right to work laws & the decline of unions have decreased the ability of working Americans to obtain middle class goals.

That's bullshit.

Unions negotiated for everything they got. If management fucked up and gave away too much it's on THEM for putting short term profit over long term responsibility.

Of note...unions regularly gave away wages and other benefits in return for pensions that were then controlled and mismanaged by MANAGEMENT.

In some cases they offered (or agreed to) pensions that were unaffordable...but expenses that would not show up until years later (when the negotiators were long gone)