How To "Free Palestine"

You keep picking up the goal posts and moving them to new locations. We are talking about determining objective standards to which EVERY country is held. You decided to frame these standards in terms of religious invocations or notations in the countries constitutions. You say,

Okay, so you have set a standard here. Countries with ancient and rich histories are not to be condemned for including their religious backgrounds in their constitutions. Its normal for them to do so.

If you apply that standard universally: it is normal for Christian countries to do so, it is normal for Muslim countries to do so, it is normal for Hindu countries to do so, AND it is normal for Jewish countries to do so.
There is only one Jewish country and that is brand new. It's only tradition is war-making and occupation. What a class act!

Actually, Israel has made great strides in technology, medicine and agriculture. So it has more than one "tradition." And Israel had to make war because it lives in a rough neighborhood. This is the world that G-d created for us--survival of the fittest. Take it up with Him.

Israel has to make war because it invaded and colonized an area with people that it hasn't been able to eliminate, because there are too many of them and they are surviving and increasing in population at a greater rate than the Jews because they are , in fact, fitter.

Israel has to make war? You and the other Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers must trade notes on making the same bogus claims.

What wars has Israel made? Are you such a victim of Islamist propaganda that you're unaware that wars of aggression have been waged by your Islamic terrorist heroes?

You might want to scour wiki for a list of the Arab-Moslem wars directed at Israel and the subsequent beatdown delivered to those Arab-Moslem armies.

How clueless.

Agreed. They just don't understand that when the Pali's attack & or kill any Israeli's, Israel will retaliate. And the funny part is then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's.
Israelis have heard many times and appear to understand that it is immoral to respond to what they characterize as a provocation with a military response that is out of all proportion. This is a particularly heinous crime when infants, children, and civilians under Israeli occupation are treated as reasonable collateral damage. This is shocking to the civilized world, with the exception of Americans.
 
There is only one Jewish country and that is brand new. It's only tradition is war-making and occupation. What a class act!

Actually, Israel has made great strides in technology, medicine and agriculture. So it has more than one "tradition." And Israel had to make war because it lives in a rough neighborhood. This is the world that G-d created for us--survival of the fittest. Take it up with Him.

Israel has to make war because it invaded and colonized an area with people that it hasn't been able to eliminate, because there are too many of them and they are surviving and increasing in population at a greater rate than the Jews because they are , in fact, fitter.

Israel has to make war? You and the other Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers must trade notes on making the same bogus claims.

What wars has Israel made? Are you such a victim of Islamist propaganda that you're unaware that wars of aggression have been waged by your Islamic terrorist heroes?

You might want to scour wiki for a list of the Arab-Moslem wars directed at Israel and the subsequent beatdown delivered to those Arab-Moslem armies.

How clueless.

Agreed. They just don't understand that when the Pali's attack & or kill any Israeli's, Israel will retaliate. And the funny part is then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's.
Israelis have heard many times and appear to understand that it is immoral to respond to what they characterize as a provocation with a military response that is out of all proportion. This is a particularly heinous crime when infants, children, and civilians under Israeli occupation are treated as reasonable collateral damage. This is shocking to the civilized world, with the exception of Americans.

Israel has tried a wagging finger and scolding the Islamic terrorists for waging acts of war. While you and the Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers suggest that Islamic terrorists have a right to committ acts of war without consequence, the Israelis feel differently.

Of course, there's nothing to prevent you from approaching the Israeli border and demanding your entitlement to kill a few Jews.

Take one for the ummah?
 
There is only one Jewish country and that is brand new. It's only tradition is war-making and occupation. What a class act!

Actually, Israel has made great strides in technology, medicine and agriculture. So it has more than one "tradition." And Israel had to make war because it lives in a rough neighborhood. This is the world that G-d created for us--survival of the fittest. Take it up with Him.

Israel has to make war because it invaded and colonized an area with people that it hasn't been able to eliminate, because there are too many of them and they are surviving and increasing in population at a greater rate than the Jews because they are , in fact, fitter.

Israel has to make war? You and the other Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers must trade notes on making the same bogus claims.

What wars has Israel made? Are you such a victim of Islamist propaganda that you're unaware that wars of aggression have been waged by your Islamic terrorist heroes?

You might want to scour wiki for a list of the Arab-Moslem wars directed at Israel and the subsequent beatdown delivered to those Arab-Moslem armies.

How clueless.

Agreed. They just don't understand that when the Pali's attack & or kill any Israeli's, Israel will retaliate. And the funny part is then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's.
Israelis have heard many times and appear to understand that it is immoral to respond to what they characterize as a provocation with a military response that is out of all proportion. This is a particularly heinous crime when infants, children, and civilians under Israeli occupation are treated as reasonable collateral damage. This is shocking to the civilized world, with the exception of Americans.

It took Jordan over 10,000 dead Palestinians in a single sweep during Black September to finally communicate a lasting peace from them. Should Israel do the same? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!
 
Actually, Israel has made great strides in technology, medicine and agriculture. So it has more than one "tradition." And Israel had to make war because it lives in a rough neighborhood. This is the world that G-d created for us--survival of the fittest. Take it up with Him.

Israel has to make war because it invaded and colonized an area with people that it hasn't been able to eliminate, because there are too many of them and they are surviving and increasing in population at a greater rate than the Jews because they are , in fact, fitter.

Israel has to make war? You and the other Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers must trade notes on making the same bogus claims.

What wars has Israel made? Are you such a victim of Islamist propaganda that you're unaware that wars of aggression have been waged by your Islamic terrorist heroes?

You might want to scour wiki for a list of the Arab-Moslem wars directed at Israel and the subsequent beatdown delivered to those Arab-Moslem armies.

How clueless.

Agreed. They just don't understand that when the Pali's attack & or kill any Israeli's, Israel will retaliate. And the funny part is then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's.
Israelis have heard many times and appear to understand that it is immoral to respond to what they characterize as a provocation with a military response that is out of all proportion. This is a particularly heinous crime when infants, children, and civilians under Israeli occupation are treated as reasonable collateral damage. This is shocking to the civilized world, with the exception of Americans.

It took Jordan over 10,000 dead Palestinians in a single sweep during Black September to finally communicate a lasting peace from them. Should Israel do the same? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!
It is Israel's business if it wants to use the standards of other Middle East countries but I suggest the Israelis can teach a thing or two to Arab leaders about how to disregard human rights.
 
Israel has to make war because it invaded and colonized an area with people that it hasn't been able to eliminate, because there are too many of them and they are surviving and increasing in population at a greater rate than the Jews because they are , in fact, fitter.

Israel has to make war? You and the other Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers must trade notes on making the same bogus claims.

What wars has Israel made? Are you such a victim of Islamist propaganda that you're unaware that wars of aggression have been waged by your Islamic terrorist heroes?

You might want to scour wiki for a list of the Arab-Moslem wars directed at Israel and the subsequent beatdown delivered to those Arab-Moslem armies.

How clueless.

Agreed. They just don't understand that when the Pali's attack & or kill any Israeli's, Israel will retaliate. And the funny part is then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's.
Israelis have heard many times and appear to understand that it is immoral to respond to what they characterize as a provocation with a military response that is out of all proportion. This is a particularly heinous crime when infants, children, and civilians under Israeli occupation are treated as reasonable collateral damage. This is shocking to the civilized world, with the exception of Americans.

It took Jordan over 10,000 dead Palestinians in a single sweep during Black September to finally communicate a lasting peace from them. Should Israel do the same? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!
It is Israel's business if it wants to use the standards of other Middle East countries but I suggest the Israelis can teach a thing or two to Arab leaders about how to disregard human rights.

Yeah. If only the Israelis would entomb their women in Shame Sacks and kill them to save the family "honor" that would sure teach the Arab-Moslems something about human rights.
 
Israelis have heard many times and appear to understand that it is immoral to respond to what they characterize as a provocation with a military response that is out of all proportion. This is a particularly heinous crime when infants, children, and civilians under Israeli occupation are treated as reasonable collateral damage. This is shocking to the civilized world, with the exception of Americans.

Out of curiosity, what would be "proportional" response and what is "reasonable collateral damage"?

Can you name any instances of belligerent attacks on a sovereign country with response that meets your standards?
 
It is Israel's business if it wants to use the standards of other Middle East countries but I suggest the Israelis can teach a thing or two to Arab leaders about how to disregard human rights.

So on the one hand, again, you seem to indicate that the lowest standards in the world are those of Arab countries, while at the same time managing to try to demonize Israel.

Still waiting for you to explain what your objective standards are...
 
Israel has to make war because it invaded and colonized an area with people that it hasn't been able to eliminate, because there are too many of them and they are surviving and increasing in population at a greater rate than the Jews because they are , in fact, fitter.

Israel has to make war? You and the other Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers must trade notes on making the same bogus claims.

What wars has Israel made? Are you such a victim of Islamist propaganda that you're unaware that wars of aggression have been waged by your Islamic terrorist heroes?

You might want to scour wiki for a list of the Arab-Moslem wars directed at Israel and the subsequent beatdown delivered to those Arab-Moslem armies.

How clueless.

Agreed. They just don't understand that when the Pali's attack & or kill any Israeli's, Israel will retaliate. And the funny part is then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's.
Israelis have heard many times and appear to understand that it is immoral to respond to what they characterize as a provocation with a military response that is out of all proportion. This is a particularly heinous crime when infants, children, and civilians under Israeli occupation are treated as reasonable collateral damage. This is shocking to the civilized world, with the exception of Americans.

It took Jordan over 10,000 dead Palestinians in a single sweep during Black September to finally communicate a lasting peace from them. Should Israel do the same? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!
It is Israel's business if it wants to use the standards of other Middle East countries but I suggest the Israelis can teach a thing or two to Arab leaders about how to disregard human rights.

Hey look. Don't want dead Palestinians? Don't attack &/or kill any Israeli's. Fair enough?
 
Hey look. Don't want dead Palestinians? Don't attack &/or kill any Israeli's. Fair enough?

This is the key. Not a single Gazan has to die from the conflict in the future. Not one more. Just stop attacking Israel. Easy peasy.

IF the Gazans insist that they have the right to "resist" regardless of the consequences -- it is THEY who are determining and accepting the collateral damage -- not Israel.
 
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Hey look. Don't want dead Palestinians? Don't attack &/or kill any Israeli's. Fair enough?

This is the key. Not a single Gazan has to die from the conflict in the future. Not one more. Just stop attacking Israel. Easy peasy.

Palestinians are their own worst enemy. When they are already in a hole, they just keep on digging. It's called Palestinian mentality!
 
Israelis have heard many times and appear to understand that it is immoral to respond to what they characterize as a provocation with a military response that is out of all proportion. This is a particularly heinous crime when infants, children, and civilians under Israeli occupation are treated as reasonable collateral damage. This is shocking to the civilized world, with the exception of Americans.

Out of curiosity, what would be "proportional" response and what is "reasonable collateral damage"?

Can you name any instances of belligerent attacks on a sovereign country with response that meets your standards?
Let's see ... after a few Polish soldiers crossed the German border in 1939 to kill personnel at a German radio station, Hitler ordered the Wehrmacht to return fire and while they were at it to invade and occupy western Poland. This would be disproportional.

The claim of collateral damage is code for the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
 
It is Israel's business if it wants to use the standards of other Middle East countries but I suggest the Israelis can teach a thing or two to Arab leaders about how to disregard human rights.

So on the one hand, again, you seem to indicate that the lowest standards in the world are those of Arab countries, while at the same time managing to try to demonize Israel.

Still waiting for you to explain what your objective standards are...
International law.
 
Israel has to make war? You and the other Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers must trade notes on making the same bogus claims.

What wars has Israel made? Are you such a victim of Islamist propaganda that you're unaware that wars of aggression have been waged by your Islamic terrorist heroes?

You might want to scour wiki for a list of the Arab-Moslem wars directed at Israel and the subsequent beatdown delivered to those Arab-Moslem armies.

How clueless.

Agreed. They just don't understand that when the Pali's attack & or kill any Israeli's, Israel will retaliate. And the funny part is then they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's.
Israelis have heard many times and appear to understand that it is immoral to respond to what they characterize as a provocation with a military response that is out of all proportion. This is a particularly heinous crime when infants, children, and civilians under Israeli occupation are treated as reasonable collateral damage. This is shocking to the civilized world, with the exception of Americans.

It took Jordan over 10,000 dead Palestinians in a single sweep during Black September to finally communicate a lasting peace from them. Should Israel do the same? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!
It is Israel's business if it wants to use the standards of other Middle East countries but I suggest the Israelis can teach a thing or two to Arab leaders about how to disregard human rights.

Hey look. Don't want dead Palestinians? Don't attack &/or kill any Israeli's. Fair enough?
Israeli attacks by land, sea, and air on occupied Palestinians is disproportional as well as against international law.
 
It is Israel's business if it wants to use the standards of other Middle East countries but I suggest the Israelis can teach a thing or two to Arab leaders about how to disregard human rights.

So on the one hand, again, you seem to indicate that the lowest standards in the world are those of Arab countries, while at the same time managing to try to demonize Israel.

Still waiting for you to explain what your objective standards are...
International law.

Odd, but Islamic terrorists feel no requirement to abide by international law.

What is contained in international law regarding a nations defense of its borders to acts of war?
 
It is Israel's business if it wants to use the standards of other Middle East countries but I suggest the Israelis can teach a thing or two to Arab leaders about how to disregard human rights.

So on the one hand, again, you seem to indicate that the lowest standards in the world are those of Arab countries, while at the same time managing to try to demonize Israel.

Still waiting for you to explain what your objective standards are...
International law.

Odd, but Islamic terrorists feel no requirement to abide by international law.

What is contained in international law regarding a nations defense of its borders to acts of war?
Funny since Israel has no borders.
 
It is Israel's business if it wants to use the standards of other Middle East countries but I suggest the Israelis can teach a thing or two to Arab leaders about how to disregard human rights.

So on the one hand, again, you seem to indicate that the lowest standards in the world are those of Arab countries, while at the same time managing to try to demonize Israel.

Still waiting for you to explain what your objective standards are...
International law.

Odd, but Islamic terrorists feel no requirement to abide by international law.

What is contained in international law regarding a nations defense of its borders to acts of war?
Funny since Israel has no borders.
Funny, since you whine about Israel defending those borders you claim don't exist.
 
Let's see ... after a few Polish soldiers crossed the German border in 1939 to kill personnel at a German radio station, Hitler ordered the Wehrmacht to return fire and while they were at it to invade and occupy western Poland. This would be disproportional.

Um. Yeah. So we agree that Israel isn't doing anything disproportional, then. If Israel decides to invade and occupy Gaza because of a few rocket attacks, I might agree with you that this is disproportional. But since that hasn't happened you are just using your imagination to demonize Israel.
 
Let's see ... after a few Polish soldiers crossed the German border in 1939 to kill personnel at a German radio station, Hitler ordered the Wehrmacht to return fire and while they were at it to invade and occupy western Poland. This would be disproportional.

Um. Yeah. So we agree that Israel isn't doing anything disproportional, then. If Israel decides to invade and occupy Gaza because of a few rocket attacks, I might agree with you that this is disproportional. But since that hasn't happened you are just using your imagination to demonize Israel.
You and I and the world knows Israel occupies Gaza and periodically massacres its people and pulverizes its infrastructure.
For this alone, Israel has a place in history just like Apartheid South Africa.
 
You and I and the world knows Israel occupies Gaza and periodically massacres its people and pulverizes its infrastructure.
For this alone, Israel has a place in history just like Apartheid South Africa.

Not at all. Israel neither occupies Gaza nor massacres her people. Gaza is a belligerent enemy whose goal is the destruction of the Israel nation and whose attacks on the sovereignty of Israel are contrary to international law and war crimes. Israel is being REMARKABLY measured in her response to these belligerent acts of war.

It can't be apartheid, by definition, because Israel does not govern or control Gaza and there are no Jewish citizens in Gaza. Its an entirely homogeneous population. Thus, by definition, there is no institutionalized, systematic discrimination. It would be like saying that the US is an apartheid state over Canada.

IF you want to claim apartheid you have to agree that Gaza belongs to Israel and that Gaza should not be permitted self-determination or self-government. Is that really what you want to claim?
 

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