How UK, France, Poland Unleashed Hitler and Paved the Way for WWII

[Siberian]

How UK, France, Poland Unleashed Hitler and Paved the Way for WWII

The Munich pact of September 29, 1938, paved the way for Nazi Germany's dominance in Europe and its march eastward, Canadian professor Michael Jabara Carley told Sputnik. Present day efforts to re-write the history of WWII in the West is...

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Hitler was the West's darling while he was moving Eastwards.
The UK and France fed Czechoslovakia to him, Poland was Hitler's closest ally, participated in Nazi invasion to Czechoslovakia and was planning to invade USSR with Hitler.

American sympathies were on Hitler's side. American Time magazine named Hitler the man of the year in 1938 after Hitler actually started WWII having invaded Czechoslovakia..

The West is responsible for WWII.

Hitler mourning the death of Polish leader Pilsudsky...

 

[braalian]

The West appeased Hitler because they remembered WWI and wanted to avoid war at any cost.

They obviously made a huge mistake in retrospect , but it’s not as if they supported him.

The soviets appeased hitler just as much. They agreed to carve up Poland with Nazi Germany. If Britain and France were responsible for Hitler’s rise, then so was Russia.

 

[Siberian]

The West appeased Hitler because they remembered WWI and wanted to avoid war at any cost.

They obviously made a huge mistake in retrospect , but it’s not as if they supported him.

The soviets appeased hitler just as much. They agreed to carve up Poland with Nazi Germany. If Britain and France were responsible for Hitler’s rise, then so was Russia.

Stalin proposed to protect Czechoslovakia from Hitler, but Poland (supported by the UK and France) promised to attack Soviet troops if they pass to Czechoslovakia via Polish territory.

And don't forget that in 1918-20 the US, UK, Germany, Italy, France, Japan, Poland etc. were occupying parts of Russian territory. Poland even annexed part of Russian terrotory (later taken back in 1939).

In 1934 UK, France, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany signed the Pact of four, forming an alliance.
in 1934 Poland signed non-agression treaty with Hitler, but effectively becoming his ally.
in 1938 UK and France signed non-aggression trearies with Hitler, early in 1939 Baltic states did the same.

And only after this, after after Stalin saw that the West was pushing Hitler Eastwards he had to sign the same non-agression treaty with Germany, which is called in rhe West Molotiv-Ribbentrop pact.

The WWII may not have started at all. The West is fully responsible.

 

[braalian]

The WWII may not have started at all. The West is fully responsible.

Well, no, Hitler is responsible. He annexed Austria. He invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland. The invasion of the latter triggered the wider war.

Should the West have intervened sooner? Sure. That doesn’t make the war their fault. No one forced Germany to attack its neighbors.

 

[Decus]

How UK, France, Poland Unleashed Hitler and Paved the Way for WWII

The Munich pact of September 29, 1938, paved the way for Nazi Germany's dominance in Europe and its march eastward, Canadian professor Michael Jabara Carley told Sputnik. Present day efforts to re-write the history of WWII in the West is...

sputniknews.com

Hitler was the West's darling while he was moving Eastwards.
The UK and France fed Czechoslovakia to him, Poland was Hitler's closest ally, participated in Nazi invasion to Czechoslovakia and was planning to invade USSR with Hitler.

American sympathies were on Hitler's side. American Time magazine named Hitler the man of the year in 1938 after Hitler actually started WWII having invaded Czechoslovakia..

The West is responsible for WWII.

Hitler mourning the death of Polish leader Pilsudsky...

You are so desperate to rewrite history but the fact is that Russia is responsible for Hitler's aggression and well as Western attempts at appeasement.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

"The pact is regarded as the primary trigger for World War II. Since Germany was assured that the Soviet Union would not oppose its efforts of expansion, it became easier to invade Poland and engage the French and British in war. The Soviet Union also pursued its expansionist ambitions, confident that Germany would not pose any threat to its pursuits."

What Was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed between the former Soviety Union and Nazi Germany in 1939.

www.worldatlas.com

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[Siberian]

You are so desperate to rewrite history but the fact is that Russia is responsible for Hitler's aggression and well as Western attempts at appeasement.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

"The pact is regarded as the primary trigger for World War II. Since Germany was assured that the Soviet Union would not oppose its efforts of expansion, it became easier to invade Poland and engage the French and British in war. The Soviet Union also pursued its expansionist ambitions, confident that Germany would not pose any threat to its pursuits."

What Was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed between the former Soviety Union and Nazi Germany in 1939.

www.worldatlas.com

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Would Hitler invade USSR or France if he did not have Czech military industry, the biggest in Europe at that time?
No, definitely not.

Would Hitler invade USSR if he occupied whole Poland and not just half of it as it was according to Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?
Definitely yes. he would have gotten even better conditions for invasion to USSR.

So, obviously if we speak about responsibility not for abstract things but for WWII - the West is responsible, USSR is not.

Even more, if USSR did not move Western border farer Westwards it might not defeat Hitler. Hitler could have taken Moscow and you would be speaking German now...

So, Stalin most probably saved the World having returned in 1939 Russian lands annexed by Poland during our civil war.

 

[TheParser]

Prime Minister Chamberlain has gotten a bad rap because of Munich.

He just did his best to avoid another World War One.

Yes, he failed.

But he should be treated, IMHO, with more sympathy.

*****

Will the American Administration soon face its own Munich moment?

What if there are clear signs that China plans to invade Taiwan?

Will the Administration acquiesce as did Mr. Chamberlain, or will it throw down the gauntlet?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The West appeased Hitler because they remembered WWI and wanted to avoid war at any cost.

They obviously made a huge mistake in retrospect , but it’s not as if they supported him.

The soviets appeased hitler just as much. They agreed to carve up Poland with Nazi Germany. If Britain and France were responsible for Hitler’s rise, then so was Russia.

The Soviets did not appease Hitler. They were with him, and planned invasions together until Hitler double-crossed them. That is not appeasement, that is a partnership.

 

[Votto]

Stalin proposed to protect Czechoslovakia from Hitler, but Poland (supported by the UK and France) promised to attack Soviet troops if they pass to Czechoslovakia via Polish territory.

And don't forget that in 1918-20 the US, UK, Germany, Italy, France, Japan, Poland etc. were occupying parts of Russian territory. Poland even annexed part of Russian terrotory (later taken back in 1939).

In 1934 UK, France, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany signed the Pact of four, forming an alliance.
in 1934 Poland signed non-agression treaty with Hitler, but effectively becoming his ally.
in 1938 UK and France signed non-aggression trearies with Hitler, early in 1939 Baltic states did the same.

And only after this, after after Stalin saw that the West was pushing Hitler Eastwards he had to sign the same non-agression treaty with Germany, which is called in rhe West Molotiv-Ribbentrop pact.

The WWII may not have started at all. The West is fully responsible.

Guess what, everyone signed a nonaggression act with Hitler, so what, he broke them all? They all helped create the monster Hitler, especially President Wilson who supported the peace deal after WW1.

But the bottom line is, Stalin AND Hitler attacked Poland together and divided the country, only, the Allies declared war on Hitler only.

Essentially you just had Churchill standing up to Hitler. The entire time Europe and those abroad were appeasing Hitler, Churchill was sounding the alarm that we needed to fight him. Then when Hitler had taken all of Europe, they finally gave the job to Churchill, out gunned and out manned. Then the Leftists in the UK pressured Churchill to sign a peace treaty with Hitler of all things. Luckily, he told them to go jump off a bridge.

Funny how no one mentions how the monster Stalin was created, who murdered hundreds of millions more than Hitler.

 

[Siberian]

Guess what, everyone signed a nonaggression act with Hitler, so what, he broke them all? They all helped create the monster Hitler, especially President Wilson who supported the peace deal after WW1.

But the bottom line is, Stalin AND Hitler attacked Poland together and divided the country, only, the Allies declared war on Hitler only.

Essentially you just had Churchill standing up to Hitler. The entire time Europe and those abroad were appeasing Hitler, Churchill was sounding the alarm that we needed to fight him. Then when Hitler had taken all of Europe, they finally gave the job to Churchill, out gunned and out manned. Then the Leftists in the UK pressured Churchill to sign a peace treaty with Hitler of all things. Luckily, he told them to go jump off a bridge.

Funny how no one mentions how the monster Stalin was created, who murdered hundreds of millions more than Hitler.

no, it is not correct. Hitler and Stalin did not attack Poland together, it is falsification of History.
Hitler attacked Poland and only after he defeated it USSR took those Russian territories up to Kerzon line which were annexed by Poland during Russian civil war.

Stalin killed hundreds of millions?
is it what is tought in Western schools or it is just your ignorance?

 

[Decus]

Would Hitler invade USSR or France if he did not have Czech military industry, the biggest in Europe at that time?
No, definitely not.

Would Hitler invade USSR if he occupied whole Poland and not just half of it as it was according to Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?
Definitely yes. he would have gotten even better conditions for invasion to USSR.

So, obviously if we speak about responsibility not for abstract things but for WWII - the West is responsible, USSR is not.

Even more, if USSR did not move Western border farer Westwards it might not defeat Hitler. Hitler could have taken Moscow and you would be speaking German now...

So, Stalin most probably saved the World having returned in 1939 Russian lands annexed by Poland during our civil war.

You are funny trying to justify the Stalin peace treaty with Hitler.

And stop referring to the USSR which never existed (union of soviet socialist republics) - the fact is that the ussr was never anything other than Russia and its occupied territories. Not one sovereign nation willingly joined the "union".

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[mikegriffith1]

We need to free ourselves from the mythical traditional version of WW II. War in western Europe could and should have been avoided. Just a few points:

* "Czechoslovakia" was a phony country created out of thin air by the Treaty of Versailles. About half of the phony country's population wanted out of it.

* German claims on Danzig and the Polish Corridor were entirely valid and should have been honored--both areas had been stolen from Germany after WW I as part of the Treaty of Versailles.

* Hitler, though an evil thug, did not want war with England and France. He wanted them to let him take back Danzig and the Polish Corridor without interference. If Chamberlain had not made the terrible mistake of giving Poland a useless war guarantee but had pressured the Poles to give back Danzig and the Corridor, there would have been no war in western Europe.

* Stalin planned on launching a massive invasion of Europe, which was to start with an attack on German forces in eastern Europe and in Germany itself. But Hitler beat Stalin to the punch.

I recommend reading the following books:

Sean McMeekin's Stalin's War: A New History of World War II.

A.J.P. Taylor's The Origins of the Second World War.

Pat Buchanan's Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War.

Peter Hitchens' The Phoney Victory: The World War II Illusion. (Brits spell "phony" as "phoney.")

 

[Siberian]

We need to free ourselves from the mythical traditional version of WW II. War in western Europe could and should have been avoided. Just a few points:

1) * "Czechoslovakia" was a phony country created out of thin air by the Treaty of Versailles. About half of the phony country's population wanted out of it.

2) * German claims on Danzig and the Polish Corridor were entirely valid and should have been honored--both areas had been stolen from Germany after WW I as part of the Treaty of Versailles.

3) * Hitler, though an evil thug, did not want war with England and France. He wanted them to let him take back Danzig and the Polish Corridor without interference. If Chamberlain had not made the terrible mistake of giving Poland a useless war guarantee but had pressured the Poles to give back Danzig and the Corridor, there would have been no war in western Europe.

4) * Stalin planned on launching a massive invasion of Europe, which was to start with an attack on German forces in eastern Europe and in Germany itself. But Hitler beat Stalin to the punch.

lol
1) aboit half of population of Ukraine, 1/5 popolation of Kazakhstan, 1/3 population of Estonia or Latvia also want out, should Russia take all of Ukraine and Kazakhstan?

2) Russia will be ready accept Liethuania as the coridor to Russian Kaliningrad region.

3) Did Hitler attack USSR to take Danzig and the Polish corridor?
Or did he want Poland just as a corridor to invade Russia?

Pand, just like Czechoslovakia, would not be occupied by Germany if tgey accepted Soviet military aid. But they did not hoping too much that the West will stick to its empty promises.

4) We have too many experts in the West on what Stalin thought, wanted or intended, and them not even using a crystal ball doesn't make their claims stronger,
besides, they are very serious people on CIA salaries...

 

[Otis Mayfield]

How UK, France, Poland Unleashed Hitler and Paved the Way for WWII

The Munich pact of September 29, 1938, paved the way for Nazi Germany's dominance in Europe and its march eastward, Canadian professor Michael Jabara Carley told Sputnik. Present day efforts to re-write the history of WWII in the West is...

sputniknews.com

Hitler was the West's darling while he was moving Eastwards.
The UK and France fed Czechoslovakia to him, Poland was Hitler's closest ally, participated in Nazi invasion to Czechoslovakia and was planning to invade USSR with Hitler.

American sympathies were on Hitler's side. American Time magazine named Hitler the man of the year in 1938 after Hitler actually started WWII having invaded Czechoslovakia..

The West is responsible for WWII.

Hitler mourning the death of Polish leader Pilsudsky...

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[AlexanderPK]

You are so desperate to rewrite history but the fact is that Russia is responsible for Hitler's aggression and well as Western attempts at appeasement.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

"The pact is regarded as the primary trigger for World War II. Since Germany was assured that the Soviet Union would not oppose its efforts of expansion, it became easier to invade Poland and engage the French and British in war. The Soviet Union also pursued its expansionist ambitions, confident that Germany would not pose any threat to its pursuits."

What Was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed between the former Soviety Union and Nazi Germany in 1939.

www.worldatlas.com

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If Japanese think that Russians bombed Hiroshima no wonder dickheads like you blame Russia for ww2.

 

[DudleySmith]

The Allies big mistake was in not occupying Germany after their defeat in WW I. This is largely the fault of Woodrow Wilson's feckless arrogance by actions that sowed distrust among Britain and France that caused them to sue for an Armistice instead of a surrender when they could have marched to Berlin with little opposition after the collapse of the German Army in the West. It is the consequences of that failure to follow up their victory that allowed the later political climate in Germany to create warring street gangs.

The Soviet Union allowed Germany's 'black armies' to train in the Soviet Union, so yes, they played a role in their own defeats, as if Lenin and Stalin weren't big enough tragedies for them.

And, it was Germany itself who were Hitler's biggest enablers, not outsiders.

Cooperation with the Freikorps​

Wherever the Treaty of Versailles tied the Reichswehr’s hands or its own manpower was insufficient, it left ‘national defense’ – e.g. border skirmishes against Polish and Lithuanian irregulars, deployment against the Ruhr Red Army in the demilitarized Rhineland – to the Freikorps, which although officially disbanded in 1920 continued to operate. The Reichswehr cooperated with nationalist Freikorps units when it took action against leftist governments in Thuringia and Saxony in October and November 1923 during the so-called ‘Reich Executions’ – interventions against an individual state led by the central government to enforce national law. The Reichswehr generals also maintained close contacts with politically right-wing, anti-republican military associations such as the Stahlhelm and Kyffhäuserbund, although the Reichswehr officially described itself as ‘apolitical’.

Reichswehr - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hitler merely exploited what was already there. The debate is over whether Papen and von Schleicher would be any better than Hitler.

According to historian Klaus-Jürgen Müller, the German military strove for Germany to obtain a "position of world power". He identified two tendencies that were united in this long-term goal but advocated different methods. One "adventurous" direction, represented by Hans von Seeckt, espoused a German-Soviet war of revenge against Poland and France. The other, more "modern" direction, represented by Kurt von Schleicher, which prevailed at the end of the 1920s, relied on a combination of political, military and economic factors. Firstly, Germany's economic position was to be strengthened and France relegated to the role of a junior partner. The supremacy thus gained in Europe was to form the basis for a position of world power. Müller sees in this one of the "lines of continuity" of German development from the Empire to National Socialism and the cause of an "entente" between groups of the traditional military elites and the Hitler movement in 1933. Hitler was dependent on their support in seizing power, while the latter in turn needed Hitler's supporters as a "mass base".[15]

The main factions seem to all agree that invading the Soviet Union was a priority.

 

[mikegriffith1]

lol
1) aboit half of population of Ukraine, 1/5 popolation of Kazakhstan, 1/3 population of Estonia or Latvia also want out, should Russia take all of Ukraine and Kazakhstan?

2) Russia will be ready accept Liethuania as the coridor to Russian Kaliningrad region.

3) Did Hitler attack USSR to take Danzig and the Polish corridor?
Or did he want Poland just as a corridor to invade Russia?

Pand, just like Czechoslovakia, would not be occupied by Germany if tgey accepted Soviet military aid. But they did not hoping too much that the West will stick to its empty promises.

4) We have too many experts in the West on what Stalin thought, wanted or intended, and them not even using a crystal ball doesn't make their claims stronger,
besides, they are very serious people on CIA salaries...

One, you obviously haven't read any of the books I recommended.

Two, Poland was not a phony country created out of thin air at Versailles, so there's a big difference between Poland and Czechoslovakia.

Three, we now know from disclosures and released documents that Stalin was preparing to launch a massive offensive into eastern Europe aimed at destroying Hitler's armies and then moving on to western Europe. Hitler upset that plan by striking first.

Four, Hitler, sick and evil as he was, did the world a favor by attacking the Soviet Union. Instead of sending billions of dollars of weapons and ammo to the Soviets, FDR should have done all he could to hamper the Soviet war effort. We could have dealt with Hitler after Stalin's murderous regime was overthrown.

Five, there would have been no Hitler-Stalin pact if the British war hawks led by Churchill had not pressured Chamberlain into giving the Poles a useless war guarantee, and if FDR had not been privately encouraging Churchill to oppose any kind of peace agreement with Germany.

 

[Siberian]

One, you obviously haven't read any of the books I recommended.

Two, Poland was not a phony country created out of thin air at Versailles, so there's a big difference between Poland and Czechoslovakia.

Three, we now know from disclosures and released documents that Stalin was preparing to launch a massive offensive into eastern Europe aimed at destroying Hitler's armies and then moving on to western Europe. Hitler upset that plan by striking first.

Four, Hitler, sick and evil as he was, did the world a favor by attacking the Soviet Union. Instead of sending billions of dollars of weapons and ammo to the Soviets, FDR should have done all he could to hamper the Soviet war effort. We could have dealt with Hitler after Stalin's murderous regime was overthrown.

Five, there would have been no Hitler-Stalin pact if the British war hawks led by Churchill had not pressured Chamberlain into giving the Poles a useless war guarantee, and if FDR had not been privately encouraging Churchill to oppose any kind of peace agreement with Germany.

you deny Czechs and Slovaks the right to have own countries, while Czechs had an anscient statehood.
Unlike Ukrainians, for exampmle, who had never had own state.

This Nazi principle of yours is confirmed another time by your siding with Hitler in his aggression against USSR.

There are no documents confirming Stalin's intention to attack Hitler except those fabricated by CIA and published via CIA stooges.

 

[Decus]

If Japanese think that Russians bombed Hiroshima no wonder dickheads like you blame Russia for ww2.

That's got to be some 90 proof stuff you're drinking Boris.

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[AlexanderPK]

That's got to be some 90 proof stuff you're drinking Boris.

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90 proof stuff? Why can’t you, weirdoes, just say that it’s 45% strong? What may be simpler than rating booze strength by percentage of alcohol in it? Yet, instead of doing it like normal people do, you pervs invented some stupid proofs. What the hell are those? So is your, faggots’ view on history. It’s distorted beyond recognition.