How we know Hitler was right wing.

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To those who are saying 'What does it matter if a tyrant is left or right' - I agree, but it depends on who you are.

Left wing and right wing regimes have very different enemies. Stalin targeted the rich, the aristocrats, the land owners and investors. Those groups all benefitted under Hitler's rule.

Hitler targeted racial minorities and outsiders - groups who occasionally benefited under the rule of outsiders like Stalin, Caucescu or Milosevic.

"We The Living" Ayn Rand. Communism displaced the Rich and Powerful with Party Loyalists. They just moved right in.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Hitler was neither right wing or left wing. No one ran for election against Hitler. There was no left or right wing in Germany.

This whole absurd "Hitler was on YOUR side" discussion is nothing more than a very transparent, hyperbolic partisan slap fight. It amazes me that anyone would play this silly game.

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I couldn't agree more. What a pointless and juvenile exercise.

 

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The importance of recognizing Marxism as left wing is so that it stands as a warning to left wingers if they become too extreme in their views where those views will take them.

The importance of recognzing Nazism as right wing is so that it serves as a warning to right wingers if they become too extreme in their views where those views will take them.

This recent movement by some ignorant right wingers to tag Nazism as left wing is very concerning for that very reason. As their views become more and more totalitarian, and their views become more Nazi-like, the whackjobs on the right are convincing themselves they don't have Nazi tendencies because "Nazis are left wing so we can't possibly be Nazis."

Which is why I made the satrical topic, How We Know Hitler Was A Liberal.

Bravo, and extremely well said.

You are in denial that Nazism was rooted in Socialism. Privileged Ethnic Socialism, where the Arian Race was viewed as superior and had special privilege, but, still, Left Wing philosophy. Italy, was Right Wing. At least the trains ran on time.

 

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The importance of recognizing Marxism as left wing is so that it stands as a warning to left wingers if they become too extreme in their views where those views will take them.

The importance of recognzing Nazism as right wing is so that it serves as a warning to right wingers if they become too extreme in their views where those views will take them.

This recent movement by some ignorant right wingers to tag Nazism as left wing is very concerning for that very reason. As their views become more and more totalitarian, and their views become more Nazi-like, the whackjobs on the right are convincing themselves they don't have Nazi tendencies because "Nazis are left wing so we can't possibly be Nazis."

Which is why I made the satrical topic, How We Know Hitler Was A Liberal.

Nailed it.

It's important to see the extremes of both views. The notion that some seem to cling to that the extreme of right wing is anarchy is, to me, a dangerously willful blindness. It allows them to get more and more extreme in their position under the certainty that the worst that can happen is less government.

If Anarchy as any rule at all, it is that there are no rules. No rule of law. That concept is not right wing. There is no unchallenged established principle or sense of justice in Anarchy, only what you can attain or hold on to through force or will. That kind of chaos is neither Left or Right, but the absence of Authority, the absence of the recognition of right or wrong, only selfish interest. When the cycle is in destruction mode, it blossoms, it's no long term solution. It is lawlessness.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hitler was a right wing Authoritarian... Left vs Right is different than Libertarian vs Authoritarian

Political Compass - Composers

Really? Fascism is Libertarianism run amok? You sure you want to use that chart?

 

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The idea that the left and right ideologies arc back into a circle where both extremes are totalitarian makes no sense to me. How does a political philosophy that espouses less gov't intervention end up as a totalitarian state instead of anarchy at it's extreme fringe?

When the Construct becomes of more value to those it employs, and the prime purpose is abandoned in the interest of the convenience and function of the construct.
No construct is of greater value than it's purpose. Human's tend to forget that.

 

[Intense]

I'm curious, what do you view as the major distinctions between Hitler and Stalin?

Most are listed in the OP, but the key ones are definitely the fact that Hitler promoted capitalism, while Stalin fought against it. Hitler promoted a class system based on Germany's past - Stalin promoted a classless society based on the idea of a utopian future.

Inner Circle, Outer Circle, Proletarian. Statist Utopia, always good for those of Privilege. To make believe that favoritism doesn't exist is to deny Human Nature.

 

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The importance of recognizing Marxism as left wing is so that it stands as a warning to left wingers if they become too extreme in their views where those views will take them.

The importance of recognzing Nazism as right wing is so that it serves as a warning to right wingers if they become too extreme in their views where those views will take them.

Yes, lest those "right wingers" adopt collectivism and central planning - always a danger with Laissez Faire. One minute they are pushing for free markets - THEN BAM, they put in Obamacare (classical fascism in action.)

ROFL

The ignorance of you leftists is a hoot.

The biggest lie of the 20th century is that Nazism was "right wing." Fascism was started by a Bolshevik, who lusted for power and split from Lenin to form his own brand of Socialist Dictatorship. Hitler adopted Mussolini's economic policies.

There is virtually zero difference between the economic policies of Hitler and those of the USSR under the NEP.

This recent movement by some ignorant right wingers to tag Nazism as left wing is very concerning for that very reason. As their views become more and more totalitarian, and their views become more Nazi-like, the whackjobs on the right are convincing themselves they don't have Nazi tendencies because "Nazis are left wing so we can't possibly be Nazis."
Which is why I made the satrical topic, How We Know Hitler Was A Liberal.

Ignorance abounds among you of the left. You believe that by condescension, you can someone negate the blatant ignorance of your positions.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Nailed it.

It's important to see the extremes of both views. The notion that some seem to cling to that the extreme of right wing is anarchy is, to me, a dangerously willful blindness.

As willful of blindness as declaring that the opposite of wet is dry, and the opposite of life is death.

You have an ideology and a party to protect, you can't afford for people to blindly spout off facts.

You of the left NEED Nazism to be right wing, after all, if collectivist, centrally planned, authoritarian societies such as Hitler's Reich are recognized as leftist, that might make leftism seem unappealing....

It allows them to get more and more extreme in their position under the certainty that the worst that can happen is less government.

Yeah, because extreme free markets are manifest by centrally planned collectivism..

You leftists sure are smart...

 

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Well I don't know ... Hitler's Nazi Germany was a totalitarian state with full control over the populace, in other words big gov't. About as big as you can get without actually owning the means of production (socialism) or owning everything (communism). And big gov't is a left wing ideal, no? The Nazis didn't own it, but they damn sure did control it and that is not what the right wingers want.

Socialism doesn't require the state to OWN the means of production, merely to CONTROL it - which the Nazi Reich did. Further, Hitler Nationalized virtually all heavy industry, outright. Where not nationalized, corporations were stuffed with Nazi Party stooges who executed the orders of Berlin.

Nazi Germany was a socialist state in every sense of the word. Marxism is not the only form of Socialism.

 

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The more extreme you get the bigger government gets, on both sides.

That is utterly the stupidest graph I've ever seen.

Anarchism, the complete lack of government, is sandwiched between total government on both sides, but limited government is the polar opposite?

Only a complete fucktard could buy into that. So other than JakeMatters, I can't see anyone posting this pile of shit with a straight face.

 

[Uncensored2008]

When you can perceive in more than 3 dimensions -- then you can conceive plotting political ideology.

When you can perceive in more than 1 dimension, then you can no longer be a democrat.....

 

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Actually, Kulaks were a class, not an ethnicity

They were small land owners in the Ukraine, they an Ukrainian ethnicity, which was looked down on by Muscovite's such as Stalin. Kulaks were absolutely an ethnic minority.

Stalin boasted that he killed 26.6 million Kulaks - which is more than the entire population of the Ukraine at the time. While Stalin did succeed in complete genocide of the Ukraine, moving Russians into the land after butchering virtually the entire population, clearly the term was applied to about 10 million people outside the Ukraine as well. From that standpoint, "Kulak" was simply any farmer who resisted the theft of everything they owned.

 

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BigReb -

If you are going to posting Hitler's quotes and ask if they sound right wing, then you also need to consider quotes like this one:

"In the years 1913 and 1914, I… expressed the conviction that the question of the future of the German nation was the question of destroying Marxism."

You have not read Mein Kampf. Thus you fail to grasp the fear that Hitler had of Marxism. While we in the USA fight an ideological war, in Germany of the early 20's, the specter of Germany becoming a vassal of Lenin's USSR was a very real one. Hitler ALWAYS used the term "Marxist." The reason, according to Shirer is that the Marxists operating in Germany, post WWI, were violently advocating the surrender of Germany to Russian overlords.

It was never the ideology that Hitler objected to, rather the loss of the German state to the USSR.

 

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"We The Living" Ayn Rand. Communism displaced the Rich and Powerful with Party Loyalists. They just moved right in.

Such a great book!

 

[AmyNation]

I don't understand how so many people can think fascism is extreme left. You open a dictionary and it defines fascism as politically right. Open a history book, take a class. Does no one here remember history 101 in high school?

 

[Oddball]

I don't understand how so many people can think fascism is extreme left. You open a dictionary and it defines fascism as politically right. Open a history book, take a class. Does no one here remember history 101 in high school?

Yeah, yeah, yeah....The National SOCIALIST Worker's Party didn't know what they were talking about.

 

[AmyNation]

So, who cares what the definition of facism is because Hitler used the term socialist?

So if Obama declared himself a republican tomorrow would that make it so?

 

[Oddball]

Oh, ferchrissakes...The socialists identified themselves socialists, but that doesn't count because you say so?

Really?

 

[SSDD]

All comunists are socialists, but not all socialists are communists.....all marxists are socialists, but not all socialists are marxists.....all fascists are socialists but not all socialists are fascists...and all nazis were socialists, but not all socialists were nazis.

The scale from communist to nazi are all socialist....right wing and left wing refers to that scale. Conservativism, or classical liberalism which was the original dispute that led to this thread is not to be found in either the right wing or the left wing because it is in a different house altogether.

All right wing governments and left wing governments abhor the idea of the individual which by defninition is the cornerstone of true conservativism or classical liberalism.