Hush Money Trial Starts Monday: Ex-Playmate Karen McDougal details 'love' affair with Trump

I’m saying the women didn’t commit a crime. Trump used campaign funds for an illegal purpose, thereby engaging in election interference by hiding important facts from the voting public, not to mention that paying off a porn star is sleazy and unbecoming of someone considered a “Christian “ icon by MAGA.

Trump used campaign funds for an illegal purpose,

From what I’ve read, the payments didn’t come from campaign funds.

thereby engaging in election interference by hiding important facts from the voting public

NDAs are perfectly legal. Also, a couple federal prosecutors declined to charge him for those payments. Seems they didn’t think there was enough to go on?

someone considered a “Christian “ icon by MAGA.

Others people’s view of Trump has no bearing on he himself. As far as I’m aware, Trump isn’t particularly a religious person.
 
Donald Trump never uses his own money. It doesn’t pay to believe anything coming out of the Trump camp.
But…there isn’t anything that says it was campaign cash. Also, it doesn’t pay to believe anything thing that comes from the democrat camp either..so…..where does that leave us?
 
From what I’ve read, the payments didn’t come from campaign funds.



NDAs are perfectly legal. Also, a couple federal prosecutors declined to charge him for those payments. Seems they didn’t think there was enough to go on?



Others people’s view of Trump has no bearing on he himself. As far as I’m aware, Trump isn’t particularly a religious person.
Michael Cohen made illegal campaign contributions, and went to jail for it. But "individual 1" did not.

The Trump org was charged with falsifying business records.
Now, today's case is about the connection between these two crimes.
 

EXCLUSIVE: Ex Playboy model Karen McDougal shares intimate details of her 'ten-month affair' with Donald Trump, claiming he told her he loved her and SHE ended it - moving on with Bruce Willis - in explosive interview with Daily Mail

  • Karen McDougal, an ex-Playboy model who claims she had a ten-month affair with former president Donald Trump back in 2006, gave an exclusive interview to Daily Mail
  • 'I was in love with him. He was in love with me. I know that because he told me all the time,' she said of her relationship with Trump
  • McDougal, 52, claims that she ended the relationship, which allegedly went on while Trump was married to Melania, who had just given birth to their son Barron
The above link also has some nice (tasteful) pictures of Karen.
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Ex-Playboy model Karen McDougal revealed intimate details about her “love” affair with former President Trump Friday — while announcing her surprising pick for president in 2024.

McDougal — one of the women at the center of Trump’s Manhattan “hush money” charges — is a lifelong Republican who voted for him in 2016.

“He can be crass and vulgar, but when he has his kind moments, it’s lovely to see because it shows there’s still a human in there,” she explained.

“He needs to have more compassion for people in general — a lot more.”

McDougal described a tender 10-month relationship with the married then-reality TV star beginning in 2006.

“I was in love with him. He was in love with me. I know that because he told me all the time,” the actress told the Mail. “He’d say, ‘You’re my baby and I love you.’ He showed me off to his friends.”

More at the link below...

Ex-Playmate Karen McDougal details 'love' affair with Trump


We must not forget that Karen McDougal will also be a witness at Trump's hush money trial. She had a ten-month affair with Trump. What do you think.
Those are some nice pics. Especially the one with Trump's hand on Ivanka's ass.
 
I think..these women happily took the money they were offered…now, they’ve decided that “nah we got our money, now we want to mess with trump too”.

I mean, if the women accepted the money…doesn’t that kind of implicate them in the deal? When are their trials going to start. Accepting a bribe is also illegal…
Does this mean McDougal is shunned from the MAGA camp? Like, forever?
 
Michael Cohen made illegal campaign contributions, and went to jail for it. But "individual 1" did not.

The Trump org was charged with falsifying business records.
Now, today's case is about the connection between these two crimes.

Michael Cohen made illegal campaign contributions, and went to jail for it.
Ahh, so it was more like a bribe eh? Accepting a bribe is a crime also so….if what happened was a crime, then why isn’t Daniels on the hook for this too. If it wasn’t actually an NDA, and was “hush money” (a bribe) then I guess we need to bring charges up against Daniel also

The Trump org was charged with falsifying business records.

A misdemeanor in New York.

Now, today's case is about the connection between these two crimes.

There is no connection, there is a stretch of the law by Bragg. Federal campaign election law is federal jurisdiction, improper business records in New York is a state misdemeanor. Bragg is trying to tie them together so he can prosecute a federal case that other federal prosecutors declined to take up, also to revive the statute of limitations on the state misdemeanor so that he can even do all of this.

It’s a political hit job, nothing more.

Again, if this case is so strong, then why are some NYC, self avowed Trump hating lawyers, saying that braggs case is flimsy?
 
Does this mean McDougal is shunned from the MAGA camp? Like, forever?

If trump committed a crime (bribery) and these women were a part of that crime (accepting a bribe) then they should be prosecuted as well, right?
 
Ahh, so it was more like a bribe eh? Accepting a bribe is a crime also so….if what happened was a crime, then why isn’t Daniels on the hook for this too. If it wasn’t actually an NDA, and was “hush money” (a bribe) then I guess we need to bring charges up against Daniel also



A misdemeanor in New York.



There is no connection, there is a stretch of the law by Bragg. Federal campaign election law is federal jurisdiction, improper business records in New York is a state misdemeanor. Bragg is trying to tie them together so he can prosecute a federal case that other federal prosecutors declined to take up, also to revive the statute of limitations on the state misdemeanor so that he can even do all of this.

It’s a political hit job, nothing more.

Again, if this case is so strong, then why are some NYC, self avowed Trump hating lawyers, saying that braggs case is flimsy?
If the case is flimsy then why is Onion Head Trump acting like a foaming at the mouth rabid dog over it?
 
If the case is flimsy then why is Onion Head Trump acting like a foaming at the mouth rabid dog over it?
Don’t ask me, I’m not the one who’s saying it’s flimsy, it’s the NYC attorneys who are not fans of Trump who are saying braggs case is flimsy.
 
Ahh, so it was more like a bribe eh? Accepting a bribe is a crime also so….if what happened was a crime, then why isn’t Daniels on the hook for this too. If it wasn’t actually an NDA, and was “hush money” (a bribe) then I guess we need to bring charges up against Daniel also



A misdemeanor in New York.



There is no connection, there is a stretch of the law by Bragg. Federal campaign election law is federal jurisdiction, improper business records in New York is a state misdemeanor. Bragg is trying to tie them together so he can prosecute a federal case that other federal prosecutors declined to take up, also to revive the statute of limitations on the state misdemeanor so that he can even do all of this.

It’s a political hit job, nothing more.

Again, if this case is so strong, then why are some NYC, self avowed Trump hating lawyers, saying that braggs case is flimsy?
It's not a bribe. Michael Cohen was convinced of illegal campaign contribution. He violated FEC rules. And individual 1 is an unindicted co conspirator. The falsification of business records cam turn into a felony if it furthers a nother crime. What trumps lawyers say in public means nothing. What matters is making their defense to a jury on court.
 
It's not a bribe. Michael Cohen was convinced of illegal campaign contribution. He violated FEC rules. And individual 1 is an unindicted co conspirator. The falsification of business records cam turn into a felony if it furthers a nother crime. What trumps lawyers say in public means nothing. What matters is making their defense to a jury on court.

It's not a bribe.

If it’s hush money, then it is a bribe, and if Daniels and mcdougal accepted this money, then they accepted a bribe. That’s illegal. Now, if it was an NDA, that’s perfectly legal, but the left keeps insisting that it’s hush money, which means it’s a bribe (giving money to someone to stay quiet), which means both sides are complicit.


The problem is that Bragg has long been searching for a crime in the criminal code to fulfill his pitch during his campaign that he was the man for voters who wanted to bag Trump.

The falsification of business records in reference to the $130,000 payment to porn star Stormy Daniels might have been a possibility, but it lacked two things.

First, it expired as a chargeable misdemeanor after two years — and that was roughly five years ago

Second, it was a mere misdemeanor that could be brushed off by Trump even if they succeeded.

Prosecutors then created a Rube Goldberg approach and suggested that the misdemeanor was committed to conceal a federal election law violation — a crime that the Justice Department declined to charge.

That theory has been widely ridiculed, even by many on the left. The bootstrapping of a federal crime under this statute appears unprecedented and likely unsustainable.

The reason that the Justice Department likely declined the case was that it had previously tried to show that hush money paid to bury an affair was a federal campaign expense.

It failed in the case of Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards.

There are a host of reasons why a married celebrity like Trump might pay hush money separate from a presidential run.


I mean, there are several stories like this.

Also, one has to prove his intent was to pay her the money to help his campaign. There are various reasons why one would pay someone to keep an affair quiet, that aren’t necessarily related to his campaign.

I’m just relaying the stories that other people, who are not Trump fans, are saying
 
No conspiracy was charged in Cohen's prosecution, so this is a meaningless label.

You can't have "co-conspirators" without a conspiracy...
the word i used wasnt meant as the legal definition of conspiracy.

“I pled guilty in federal court to felonies for the benefit of, at the direction of, and in coordination with ‘Individual 1,’” Cohen said
 
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Ex-Playboy model Karen McDougal revealed intimate details about her “love” affair with former President Trump Friday — while announcing her surprising pick for president in 2024.

McDougal — one of the women at the center of Trump’s Manhattan “hush money” charges — is a lifelong Republican who voted for him in 2016.

“He can be crass and vulgar, but when he has his kind moments, it’s lovely to see because it shows there’s still a human in there,” she explained.

“He needs to have more compassion for people in general — a lot more.”

McDougal described a tender 10-month relationship with the married then-reality TV star beginning in 2006.

“I was in love with him. He was in love with me. I know that because he told me all the time,” the actress told the Mail. “He’d say, ‘You’re my baby and I love you.’ He showed me off to his friends.”

More at the link below...

Ex-Playmate Karen McDougal details 'love' affair with Trump


We must not forget that Karen McDougal will also be a witness at Trump's hush money trial. She had a ten-month affair with Trump. What do you think.

Remember Jim and Tammy Faye Baker? Trump is sleazy Jerry Springer style.
 
the word i used wasnt meant as the legal definition of conspiracy.
Well you certainly implied that when you invoked it as rationale for charging Trump with the felonies...
“I pled guilty in federal court to felonies for the benefit of, at the direction of, and in coordination with ‘Individual 1,’” Cohen said
I don't think anyone thinks Cohen did what he did for any reason other than to help Trump. He was his attorney and "fixer" as they say.

That doesn't mean Trump told him to do something illegal, especially regarding the payments to Daniels and McDougal- that was not illegal and didn't come from campaign funds.

Trump didn't orchestrate any of that arrangement- the Enquirer approached Cohen with the proposition and Cohen worked it out with the Enquirer. I'm sure Trump was made aware, but again- that is not illegal.

Cohen entered into the deal with the Mueller investigation because he had a Damocles sword hanging over his head. The bank fraud charge alone carried a maximum 30-year sentence. He agreed to the campaign finance charge to get a lighter sentence, obviously.

That plea deal was penned by Weissmann, and Cohen signed. If he makes any public statement that contradicts the deal, he voids the agreement and faces a long stretch in the hoosegow...
 

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