Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

[ABikerSailor]

IF this drug is so effective, why did more veterans that were studied die taking the drug than those who received conventional care only?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Many doctors have used it, according to reports, and it has shown to be effective in treating the disease

No, it hasnt. Mikey, you are way too stupid to get this. It was not demonstrated that chloroquine helped in any way.

 

[miketx]

Many doctors have used it, according to reports, and it has shown to be effective in treating the disease

No, it hasnt. Mikey, you are way too stupid to get this. It was not demonstrated that chloroquine helped in any way.

Nice deflection. When combined with a certain antibiotic it helps.

 

[excalibur]

Was it given to people with severe Covid 19 virus symptoms? As a last resort to try and save them? From what I'm reading it's something that needs to be administered BEFORE patients reach that point to prevent them from getting that bad!

The VA study gave it to people with serious comorbidities, such as diabetes, heart failure, kidney disease. Looks as if it was either designed to fail or the MSM ran with it that way.

And see:

French Doctor Didier Raoult Cites 'Scientific Misconduct' in Recent VA Study on Hydroxychloroquine; Two Major Flaws

www.redstate.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

When combined with a certain antibiotic it helps.

Sorry, no. No actual evidence shows that.

 

[miketx]

IF this drug is so effective, why did more veterans that were studied die taking the drug than those who received conventional care only?

They were sick with complications. Kind of like your Quantum Entangled Derangement.

 

[miketx]

When combined with a certain antibiotic it helps.

Sorry, no. No actual evidence shows that.

Keep lying, it's what you do.

 

[Indeependent]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
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Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

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But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

My co-worker's 40+ sister got C19, got a fever, took hydroxychloroquine for a week and recovered.
Any other bullshit in your pocket?

She got loads of it!

Penelope is a hateful piece of shit.

 

[excalibur]

Why are lefties wanting to deny hope? 100% because Donald Trump touted the hydroxychloroquine, that is why. They revel in their hatred.

“Right now, this is the best that we’ve got,” said Dr. Naresh Patel, a hospitalist at Christ Hospital, one of three Hudson County hospitals run by CarePoint Health. Patel said that virtually 100 percent of suspected COVID-19 cases admitted to his hospital are receiving hydroxychloroquine as part of their daily treatment regimen, though he said it remains unclear whether it is helping.

“The patients getting better, I don’t know whether I can tell you it’s the drug or the oxygen” or other treatments, said Patel, who has been working nearly non-stop amid the crisis. “I wish I had a definitive answer for you, but it is hard to tell.”

Still, Patel said, the unprecedented emergency requires doctors to try every avenue they can.

“You want to do what you can do,” Patel said.​

N.J. doctors using unproven drug touted by Trump: ‘This is the best that we’ve got.’

Despite lack of trials, malaria drug is part of doctors’ fight against coronavirus

www.nj.com

 

[ABikerSailor]

IF this drug is so effective, why did more veterans that were studied die taking the drug than those who received conventional care only?

They were sick with complications. Kind of like your Quantum Entangled Derangement.

Would help if you had read the OP's link, because it says this...................

Researchers analyzed medical records of 368 male veterans hospitalized with confirmed coronavirus infection at Veterans Health Administration medical centers who died or were discharged by April 11.


About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.


Basically, if they gave the drugs to the vets, they had a mortality rate that was over DOUBLE the people who didn't take any drugs, but received conventional care.

 

[miketx]

IF this drug is so effective, why did more veterans that were studied die taking the drug than those who received conventional care only?

They were sick with complications. Kind of like your Quantum Entangled Derangement.

Would help if you had read the OP's link, because it says this...................

Researchers analyzed medical records of 368 male veterans hospitalized with confirmed coronavirus infection at Veterans Health Administration medical centers who died or were discharged by April 11.


About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.


Basically, if they gave the drugs to the vets, they had a higher mortality rate than those that just got conventional care.

Proves nothing except that you are a media fed shill.

 

[excalibur]

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A spokeswoman for the Department of Veterans Affairs issued a statement by email to Fox News which read, “This was not a clinical trial. It is simply an analysis of retrospective data regarding hospitalized patients.

The findings should not be viewed as definitive because the analysis doesn’t adjust for patients’ clinical status and showed that hydroxychloroquine alone was provided to VA’s sickest COVID-19 patients, many times as a last resort.”

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French Doctor Didier Raoult Cites 'Scientific Misconduct' in Recent VA Study on Hydroxychloroquine; Two Major Flaws

www.redstate.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

When combined with a certain antibiotic it helps.

Sorry, no. No actual evidence shows that.

Keep lying, it's what you do.

And tantrum time begins.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

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A spokeswoman for the Department of Veterans Affairs issued a statement by email to Fox News which read, “This was not a clinical trial. It is simply an analysis of retrospective data regarding hospitalized patients. ​

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The findings should not be viewed as definitive because the analysis doesn’t adjust for patients’ clinical status and showed that hydroxychloroquine alone was provided to VA’s sickest COVID-19 patients, many times as a last resort.”​

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French Doctor Didier Raoult Cites 'Scientific Misconduct' in Recent VA Study on Hydroxychloroquine; Two Major Flaws

www.redstate.com

Haha...Raoult the fraud

Chloroquine witchdoctor Didier Raoult: barking mad and dangerous

Is the inventor of chloroquine cure for COVID-19, the French microbiologist Didier Raoult, sane? But then again, is anyone these days?

forbetterscience.com

 

[TemplarKormac]

You wouldn't know, you don't look for evidence that it isn't, you spew talking points instead

Your war on the english language aside, you seem confused about how the world works. To call it effective, there must be scientific evidence that it is effective.

I posted a number of studies proving it is effective.

You are either illiterate or willfully ignorant, given you don't read anything someone opposing you posts.

 

[TemplarKormac]

When combined with a certain antibiotic it helps.

Sorry, no. No actual evidence shows that.

For one who demands so much proof, you aren't posting any evidence to the contrary.

 

[L.K.Eder]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
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Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

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But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

VA patients probably already have compromised health

That was the primary problem, they were compromised. The second problem with their 11 person study is they used only Hydrcloriquine after the cytoplasm storm which made its use contraindicated. The third problem was the so called "control" group were being treated with Azithromycine, a known drug to fight COVID-19.

The study was a fraud or as virologist called it "scientific malpractice"... Its so bad that the VA is now recalling it...

cytoplasm storm, the USMB-expert queefs.

I see you have no formal training... keep it up....

Do you?

When you said cytoplasm storm, did you mean cytokine storm?

shhh. don't question perfessor billyboob. he is a USMB expert.

 

[miketx]

When combined with a certain antibiotic it helps.

Sorry, no. No actual evidence shows that.

Keep lying, it's what you do.

And tantrum time begins.

You are a liar, proven again and again.

 

[BWK]

so, we all know that the article from this thread is pure propaganda

HCN is still be used every day by all the major hospitals, and that will continue

why the propaganda about this drug?

they want Trump to be wrong & it is inexpensive & easy to scale, as opposed to new treatments and vaccines that are not available in genetic brands

there is a financial incentive behind this, just as there is a political incentive

what's best for the folks be damned

it works to mitigate the Chinese Virus if administered early enough

the director of the VA admitted this was a faulty study

There is no evidence it works based on the asymptomatic patients it tested; A small trial finds that hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus

Please prove to us with documentation how the FDA is wrong.

However, a study just published in a French medical journal provides new evidence that hydroxychloroquine does not appear to help the immune system clear the coronavirus from the body. The study comes on the heels of two others - one in France and one in China - that reported some benefits in the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for COVID-19 patients who didn’t have severe symptoms of the virus.

The smaller the study, the more undefined the results are. Were you expecting us to fall for that? Were you going on earlier in this thread about wanting it to cure everyone who had it with equal result?

You need to wake up, update yourself, and get in the game. You are living in wonderland. Get out of your bubble; ‘11 on the corruption scale:’ Chris Hayes on Trump admin. forcing out top vaccine doctor amid pandemic

Obama official: Ousting vaccine doctor in fight against COVID is like 'pulling Tom Brady in the 4th quarter'

 

[BWK]

The evidence is overwhelming

There is no good evidence. You are insane, and, as is always the case with you, 100% ass backwards wrong on a scientific topic.

Trump could cure cancer and you would call him a murderer... Your no longer worth the effort to even try and debate because you believe your own lies..

You are living in an alternate universe; Obama official: Ousting vaccine doctor in fight against COVID is like 'pulling Tom Brady in the 4th quarter'

‘11 on the corruption scale:’ Chris Hayes on Trump admin. forcing out top vaccine doctor amid pandemic

Top vaccine doctor Rick Bright was sidelined because he pushed back against the President's constant shilling for an untested malaria drug as the “magical” cure for coronavirus. Chris Hayes says on the corruption scale from 1 to 10, this is an 11.

www.msnbc.com