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[AzogtheDefiler]

I don't know why the 2 cops didn't just take him to the ground and cuff him they certainly had plenty of time to

Plenty of time ? All within a 1/2 second, huh ?

There are many posts within this thread that answer your question.

You think that the video captured the entire event?

I keep asking people who say what you do that the cops could have taken the woman beater who ignored the court order to stay away from her down from behind while he raced to the car if they saw video that I didn't, but all of you have said no. Did you?

Raced to the car? Can you point out the section of the video where he “raced to the car.“ Let me know the time code where he did anything but walk and I’ll check it out

He walked briskly. If the officers were trained in H2H combat they would not have had to draw their weapons. Also, why send a woman officer there? Makes no sense.

That made me laugh out loud. Thank you.
1. He didn’t walk briskly, he walked, watch the video
2. You really think cops with guns aren’t trained to apprehend and arrest subjects?! Are you serious?
3. Why not send a woman officer? Don’t be a dick

You're just word parsing and bickering now, you couldn't be more clear you have nothing

No I’m it word parsing I’m calling out the BS spin you all are trying to use to justify this shooting. THERES A VIDEO WE CAN ALL SEE WHAT HAPPENED!! Stop lying about what happened. You said he “raced to the car” that’s a straight up lie. He clearly walked

Right, there's a video. Yet you keep contradicting the video as if we didn't see it and we don't know you're lying. The cops were behind him.

Blake had a choice. The cops didn't. You can't hide from that

Cops were behind him... best position to restrain him. He walked to his car door... he didn’t race there as you incorrectly said. The cops did have a choice. Restrain him without using lethal force. We didn’t see what happened leading up to the video so we will have to see what witness testimony says since the cops weren’t wearing body cams.

can we agree that every cop should have an active body cam on during each arrest?

Restrain how? He brushed off two taser attacks. What specifically would you do. What do you mean by “restrain”?

Brushed off two taser attacks huh? That’s interesting. I guess they had no other choice but to put 7 in his back. Super logic!

You keep having one way conversations

At this point I don’t see the conversation going anywhere. We’ve both seen the same video. You saw one thing I saw another. It is what it is.

You won’t answer a simple question. If you’re one of the male police officers what would you do differently?

I would have tried to take him down when he walked around the car and had my partner cuff him. I didn’t see what happened before. I’ve heard a lot of crap like he was Tasered twice and he was going for a knife which doesn’t make sense and I wasn’t there so I dont really believe anything more than I can see in the video.

Tried to take him down....how would you do that? The man is bigger than you and is a dangerous criminal with a record. Your three months in the academy taught you that?

Hell yeah, 3 trained cops can’t take down one guy? Really?? Remember there is a video. We can see that they didn’t attempt to take him down As he walked to his car, they pulled their guns and then one of them shot him in the back. Not cool in Dr Seuss land

Did you see it? They were smaller and one was a woman. In Atlanta two police officers couldn’t keep a drunk man down. Their training is not in h2h combat. So again, how would you take him down and not expose your weapon to him? Give me the exact move you would put on him. Thanks.

I would kick punch him and if that didn’t work I would use Mr Miyagis crane kick to the balls

You joke but police officers aren’t trained to fight suspects. They are trained to mace, taze or draw weapons. That needs to change somewhat. Most police officers are not above average h2h combatants. You lost this debate.

Lethal force should always be a last resort. There were three cops and one Unarmed man. From what I saw in the video they did not adequately attempt to restrain him and they needlessly shot him in the back.

You think I lost I think I won. Sounds like a win win to me.

They tased him twice. They aren’t trained to fight. What part of that do you not understand? How do they restrain him without exposing their guns to him? Are you acting stupid or are you just plain stupid?

Honestly, you cannot answer what you would do if you were one of the cops and you have had days to think about it. They had seconds.

So again. Do you agree or disagree that most police officers are not above average hand to hand combatants? It’s not as easy as you think to take someone down. Ever been in a fight?

EMTs are trained to give medical aid. Fire fighters are trained to respond to accidents and fight fires. Cops are trained to respond to conflicts and make arrests. If three cops aren’t trained and capable to restrain and arrest an unarmed suspect without shooting him then they shouldn’t be out there.

Firefighter is one word. And police are trained to use force not fight h2h. You want to change their training and methodology? Me too. But how can you blame the police officers who followed their rules and their training and again you didn’t answer my question. What would you do? Firefighters and EMTs do not have to deal with combatants. You’re comparing apples and oranges.

Navy Seals train 18 mos for a six month mission. Cops train for three months and you expect them to be experts in hand to hand combat? LOL

Blame the system. Don’t blame the people who are playing by the rules the system set up.

 

[protectionist]

All that matters is the PERCEPTION of the cop at the time. He was ignoring the cops and reached into his vehicle. The ONLY CONCLUSION is that he was reaching for a weapon

Cops have to assume that. If they didn't, it's just a matter of time before some suspect IS DOING THAT, and in a 1/2 second, you have a dead cop. That's why the procedure is the way it is. Hands disappear >> Shoot.

 

[Orangecat]

Oh, a guy with an ar15, who has already shot 3 people is not an immediate threat, but a guy with 3 guns trained on him and an imaginary weapon is?

Look up the word "compliance" so you don't continue to look shallow and foolish.

 

[protectionist]

How many cases do ”suspects” reach into their cars and don't have a gun? Do.you know?

I never counted them, but I guess the police figure it's is enough times that they DID have a gun, to warrant the SOP that they have. Generally, cops are interested in shooting anybody unless they have to, to stay alive.

Have you answered the question of the OP ? At over 400 posts now, I forgot who has, and who hasn't.

 

[AZrailwhale]

He didn't suddenly bold away from police. All he did was open his car door then tried to climb into the driver seat.

The cop immediately started shooting when Mr. Blake has his back turned.

Stop lying.

Show where he bolted, show were he was reaching in his car. He was getting in his car. Within seconds of him turning his back to the cops, the cop open fire.

Stop lying.

There is no lie. Yes, he did bolt away from the cops, and they had to go after him, just before he reached into his car.

And oh, "all he did" huh / HA HA HA. Spoken like a true undereducated, infomation -deprived liberal victim of liberal OMISSION media, and liberal OMISSION "educaton".

There is no lying. What are you talking about. Yes, Blake opened his car door, reached into the car (as the video shows-we've all seen it), and turned his back to the cops, and he got shot shot. Getting in, reaching in, irrelevant. What matters is he allowed his hands to disappear from the cops.

Well, of course he got shot. He was a suspect being questioned by police, and he allowed his hands to disappear from the cop's view -automatic shoot signal.

And if you do that, YOU will be shot too. Aren't you glad you got such a good education ? Not as good as the one you're getting here now.

So now Dana, are you going to answer the OP question, or are you going to wimp out of it like Camp ?

He was more than a suspect, they knew he had an outstanding criminal warrant outstanding and they were arresting him for that. The only thing they “suspected” him of was violation the restraint order and that was a slam dunk since the SUV he was reaching into belonged to his ex who had received the restraining order against him.

 

[protectionist]

Never before have I seen such a stupid OP.

If what you say is true, then the Police need EXTREME retraining, reform and possibly defunding.

WE TAX PAYERS ARE NOT PAYING THE POLICE TO MURDER US FOR WHATEVER LAME EXCUSE THE POLICE THINK UP!!!!

No, it's the schools and universities that need retraining, and if you had read the thread before posting, you'd know I have said that repeatedly here.

Have you answered the question of the OP ? That should be your first comment.

And staying alive is not a "lame excuse". Answer the OP question. What if it was YOUR LIFE that was at stake, with a suspect whose hands disappear from YOUR VIEW ? So would you be so nonchalant about it THEN ? Wanna gamble with it ?

PS - the idea of defunding police is what is going to put Donald Trump in the White House for another 4 years. Nothing could be more idiotic. obviously, with all the rioting and mayhem, there needs to be MORE funding for police, and many more police to be hired.

PPS - never before have I seen so much ignorance (and stupidity) in a USMB thread.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Show where he bolted, show were he was reaching in his car.

At 0:15 he bolts away from the cops,.......at 0:20 he reaches into the car. Are you blind ?

I don’t know if I’d call that bolting, but he was ignoring police commands and walking quickly. Also the officer was attempting to first prevent him from reaching into the car and then was trying to pull him out BEFORE firing.

 

[protectionist]

Right, they are paid to do a dangerous job. They aren't paid to let themselves be killed as you advocate.

Blake had a choice. The cops didn't. You can't run from that

 

[AZrailwhale]

Liberals who claim that Jason Blake was shot unjustly (which probably is all liberals in this forum), please answer this >.

If YOU were a police officer, and you were questioning somebody about a serious crime, and he suddenly bolts away from you, and then reaches into a car, with his hands now not visible to you, what do you do ?

" If YOU were a police officer, and you were questioning somebody about a serious crime, and he suddenly bolts away from you, and then reaches into a car, with his hands now not visible to you, what do you do ? "


1. shoot him in the leg once so I don't murder him

2. BEFORE I shoot him in the leg once so i don't murder him I shout "FREEZE" and if he doesn't FREEZE then I shoot him in the leg ONCE so I don't murder him.

the conservative answer to ALMOST everything; SHOOT HIM DEAD!

someone trespass on your property? SHOOT HIM DEAD!
someone insult your bible? SHOOT HIM DEAD!
someone kneel for the anthem? SHOOT HIM DEAD!
someone steals a piece of candy? SHOOT HIM DEAD!
white guy steals from the government and then has hundreds of heavily armed conservatives show up and aim guns at police? .......no violence....no gun fire.....practically no charges.....no convictions....no deaths!

No one is ever trained to shoot at hands, arms or legs. The reasons for that are they are hard to hit (when you miss you tend to hit innocent bystanders or property) and that even if you hit, the bullet will overpenetrate and tend to hit innocent bystanders or property. Every shooter, military, police or civilian is taught to aim for center of mass to maximize stopping power and mini,ice overpenetration.

 

[Slade3200]

I don't know why the 2 cops didn't just take him to the ground and cuff him they certainly had plenty of time to

Plenty of time ? All within a 1/2 second, huh ?

There are many posts within this thread that answer your question.

You think that the video captured the entire event?

I keep asking people who say what you do that the cops could have taken the woman beater who ignored the court order to stay away from her down from behind while he raced to the car if they saw video that I didn't, but all of you have said no. Did you?

Raced to the car? Can you point out the section of the video where he “raced to the car.“ Let me know the time code where he did anything but walk and I’ll check it out

He walked briskly. If the officers were trained in H2H combat they would not have had to draw their weapons. Also, why send a woman officer there? Makes no sense.

That made me laugh out loud. Thank you.
1. He didn’t walk briskly, he walked, watch the video
2. You really think cops with guns aren’t trained to apprehend and arrest subjects?! Are you serious?
3. Why not send a woman officer? Don’t be a dick

You're just word parsing and bickering now, you couldn't be more clear you have nothing

No I’m it word parsing I’m calling out the BS spin you all are trying to use to justify this shooting. THERES A VIDEO WE CAN ALL SEE WHAT HAPPENED!! Stop lying about what happened. You said he “raced to the car” that’s a straight up lie. He clearly walked

Right, there's a video. Yet you keep contradicting the video as if we didn't see it and we don't know you're lying. The cops were behind him.

Blake had a choice. The cops didn't. You can't hide from that

Cops were behind him... best position to restrain him. He walked to his car door... he didn’t race there as you incorrectly said. The cops did have a choice. Restrain him without using lethal force. We didn’t see what happened leading up to the video so we will have to see what witness testimony says since the cops weren’t wearing body cams.

can we agree that every cop should have an active body cam on during each arrest?

Restrain how? He brushed off two taser attacks. What specifically would you do. What do you mean by “restrain”?

Brushed off two taser attacks huh? That’s interesting. I guess they had no other choice but to put 7 in his back. Super logic!

You keep having one way conversations

At this point I don’t see the conversation going anywhere. We’ve both seen the same video. You saw one thing I saw another. It is what it is.

You won’t answer a simple question. If you’re one of the male police officers what would you do differently?

I would have tried to take him down when he walked around the car and had my partner cuff him. I didn’t see what happened before. I’ve heard a lot of crap like he was Tasered twice and he was going for a knife which doesn’t make sense and I wasn’t there so I dont really believe anything more than I can see in the video.

Tried to take him down....how would you do that? The man is bigger than you and is a dangerous criminal with a record. Your three months in the academy taught you that?

Hell yeah, 3 trained cops can’t take down one guy? Really?? Remember there is a video. We can see that they didn’t attempt to take him down As he walked to his car, they pulled their guns and then one of them shot him in the back. Not cool in Dr Seuss land

Did you see it? They were smaller and one was a woman. In Atlanta two police officers couldn’t keep a drunk man down. Their training is not in h2h combat. So again, how would you take him down and not expose your weapon to him? Give me the exact move you would put on him. Thanks.

I would kick punch him and if that didn’t work I would use Mr Miyagis crane kick to the balls

You joke but police officers aren’t trained to fight suspects. They are trained to mace, taze or draw weapons. That needs to change somewhat. Most police officers are not above average h2h combatants. You lost this debate.

Lethal force should always be a last resort. There were three cops and one Unarmed man. From what I saw in the video they did not adequately attempt to restrain him and they needlessly shot him in the back.

You think I lost I think I won. Sounds like a win win to me.

They tased him twice. They aren’t trained to fight. What part of that do you not understand? How do they restrain him without exposing their guns to him? Are you acting stupid or are you just plain stupid?

Honestly, you cannot answer what you would do if you were one of the cops and you have had days to think about it. They had seconds.

So again. Do you agree or disagree that most police officers are not above average hand to hand combatants? It’s not as easy as you think to take someone down. Ever been in a fight?

EMTs are trained to give medical aid. Fire fighters are trained to respond to accidents and fight fires. Cops are trained to respond to conflicts and make arrests. If three cops aren’t trained and capable to restrain and arrest an unarmed suspect without shooting him then they shouldn’t be out there.

Firefighter is one word. And police are trained to use force not fight h2h. You want to change their training and methodology? Me too. But how can you blame the police officers who followed their rules and their training and again you didn’t answer my question. What would you do? Firefighters and EMTs do not have to deal with combatants. You’re comparing apples and oranges.

Navy Seals train 18 mos for a six month mission. Cops train for three months and you expect them to be experts in hand to hand combat? LOL

Blame the system. Don’t blame the people who are playing by the rules the system set up.

My examples simply refer to jobs that people are trained for and cops are trained on how to arrest suspects and how to apprehend suspects that are running away. I don’t think the handbook says shoot if a suspect walks away. But if you are correct and the cops did exactly what they were trained to do then I’d say they shouldn’t be held accountable but the system sure as hell should be. Either way, what I saw in the video was unacceptable and many others agree

 

[AZrailwhale]

I saw what happened, it was on video. No way that guy deserved 7 bullets in his back. Our cops need to do better than that

It's not a matter of what Blake "deserved". It's a matter of what the cop had to do to protect himself. This has been explained a dozen times in this thread. Are you dense ?

I’m sure you’d call me dense, I don’t think I am.... the cop had ample opportunity to grab tackle, taz, billy club and cuff Blake. There was no need to jump to lethal force. We have thousands of Americans screaming in the streets because they feel abuse of power and excessive force from our police is a problem. The fact that this happened in the middle of these protests after the Floyd issue just shows the depth of the problem. They are calling for that to change. You are free to disagree but the video is a perfect example of what many feel is wrong.

Cops generally aren’t allowed to carry billy clubs any more and two different officers had already taxed him to no effect.

 

[protectionist]

You are a scared pussy, how would a man with a knife be able to kill a real man (not you) with a knife when the other man is holding a drawn weapon at point blank range.

This cop is toast, he is as dumb as you

I was hoping you were not going to make a complete fool of yourself, but in this thread, with a number of posters, I can see that is hopeless. Maybe if I go through this step by little baby step, you will be able to follow it, OK ? Read closely and SLOWLY.

At some point in time many years ago, it became apparent that cops who hesitated (even for ONE SECOND) with a suspect whose hands disappear, were being shot (many were killed). As we were taught in college > FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION. That's how things get designed to be the way they are.

In this case, the function is to stop having cops be killed by suspects whose hands disappear. And the form (remedy) then, is to not allow those suspects to shoot.

(Note: it takes a suspect with non-visible hands,1/2 second to point a gun and shoot you, whether you are pointing a gun at him or not. You have NO TIME to react, or defend yourself.)

So it became standard operating procedure (taught in all police academies) to shoot any suspect who is being questioned, if/whenever their hands disappear. It is also procedure for the first thing the cop to do is say "Show me your hands", as they always do.

And I am not a "pussy" just because I happen to be educating you about what your inept liberal schoolteachers failed to do. You're welcome.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Liberals who claim that Jason Blake was shot unjustly (which probably is all liberals in this forum), please answer this >.

If YOU were a police officer, and you were questioning somebody about a serious crime, and he suddenly bolts away from you, and then reaches into a car, with his hands now not visible to you, what do you do ?

If I'm a "liberal", I probably grab him by his cock and drop to my knees - why?

 

[protectionist]

What would you have done if you were one of the cops?

That is the question of the OP, and really it is the ONLY thing that USMB liberals whom I have called upon here, to be posting. Instead, they DODGE the question, and deflect into all sorts of blabbering about this or that.

Thank you for bringing THE TOPIC back to the fore of the thread, even though I suspect they will still avoid it, and choose to change the subject.

 

[protectionist]

If I'm a "liberal", I probably grab him by his cock and drop to my knees - why?

Anything less than instantly shooting him and you are gambling with your life. Not cool.

 

[Slade3200]

What would you have done if you were one of the cops?

That is the question of the OP, and really it is the ONLY thing that USMB liberals whom I have called upon here, to be posting. Instead, they DODGE the question, and deflect into all sorts of blabbering about this or that.

Thank you for bringing THE TOPIC back to the fore of the thread, even though I suspect they will still avoid it, and choose to change the subject.

I’ve answered your question several times. I don’t know what you’re talking about

 

[protectionist]

EMTs are trained to give medical aid. Fire fighters are trained to respond to accidents and fight fires. Cops are trained to respond to conflicts and make arrests. If three cops aren’t trained and capable to restrain and arrest an unarmed suspect without shooting him then they shouldn’t be out there.

"Unarmed" is irrelevant. All suspects whose hands disappearmust be assumed to be armed.

It is YOU who shouldn't be where YOU are > in this thread, at this point, after you have already gotten more than enough information, that your airhead teachers never taught you, and still you persist in talking ridiculous.

Find another thread. Nobody is interested in displays of stupidity.

 

[protectionist]

I’ve answered your question several times. I don’t know what you’re talking about

The thread is over 400 posts long. I've forgotten who has answered the question and who hasn't. Please state in what post you answered the question, so I can review that answer.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

If I'm a "liberal", I probably grab him by his cock and drop to my knees - why?

Anything less than instantly shooting him and you are gambling with your life. Not cool.

But me so horny. We decriminalize them with love and understanding.

 

[Slade3200]

I’ve answered your question several times. I don’t know what you’re talking about

The thread is over 400 posts long. I've forgotten who has answered the question and who hasn't. Please state in what post you answered the question, so I can review that answer.

Haha, you tell me to leave the thread because nobody is interested in what I have to say and then in the next post you ask about what I have to say.... that’s funny.

I don’t need to reference a post I can just answer the question AGAIN. If I’m one of those cops and a perp was walking away from me like in the video I grab him and throw him against the car and cuff him. If he struggles I take him to the ground and have the two other cops assist me in cuffing him