I may have gotten the impeachment thing all wrong

[Indeependent]

Executive Privilege is the same regarding House subpoenas and Senate subpoenas. The WH can challenge both and go to the courts for a ruling.

Once again you are trying to put the job of the House on the Senate. Your House Clowns refused to follow protocol. That's on them, not Trump, not the Senate.

He never executed his executive privilege rights in the house. NOT ONCE.... He simply defied the subpoenas and the law on everything. Another impeachment article on those unlawful actions.

The Senate, can go directly to the Supreme court in the impeachment trial, skipping years of litigation and appeals.

Trump can not stall it.

He wanted to stall being impeached, it did not work. In the Senate, he wouldn't want to stall his verdict.

If you were paying attention you would know that his lawyers explained why the subpoenas were defied.

The were not valid subpoenas since they were tied to an impeachment inquiry. There was no required vote to implement impeachment in the House, so the subpoenas are invalid.

If your House Clowns think they are valid the protocol is to go to the courts for a ruling. The refused to follow protocol. Your beef should be with your House Clowns.

His lawyers were idiots.

And since then, where it is working its way through the courts, all appeal courts have ruled there is no such thing as absolute immunity and the House has won their suit for his white house lawyer Don McGahn, to testify....... waiting for the SC.

Your opinion of his lawyers doesn't matter.

Normal protocol is to go to court and get a ruling. Your House Clowns refused to follow normal protocol. That's on them.

Dimwingers always try to blame others for their failures, and this is no different.

There is already precedence though, it has already been established in the SC, with the Nixon Impeachment hearings, the oval office tapes were relevant to the impeachment, thus executive privilege did not apply.

Thus all the rulings in the McGahn trial have ruled in the House's favor, the precedence set on it.

The suits are stall tactics, they know the end result won't be with him, imo.

You must run for Congress!

 

[Nostra]

Executive Privilege is the same regarding House subpoenas and Senate subpoenas. The WH can challenge both and go to the courts for a ruling.

Once again you are trying to put the job of the House on the Senate. Your House Clowns refused to follow protocol. That's on them, not Trump, not the Senate.

He never executed his executive privilege rights in the house. NOT ONCE.... He simply defied the subpoenas and the law on everything. Another impeachment article on those unlawful actions.

The Senate, can go directly to the Supreme court in the impeachment trial, skipping years of litigation and appeals.

Trump can not stall it.

He wanted to stall being impeached, it did not work. In the Senate, he wouldn't want to stall his verdict.

If you were paying attention you would know that his lawyers explained why the subpoenas were defied.

The were not valid subpoenas since they were tied to an impeachment inquiry. There was no required vote to implement impeachment in the House, so the subpoenas are invalid.

If your House Clowns think they are valid the protocol is to go to the courts for a ruling. The refused to follow protocol. Your beef should be with your House Clowns.

His lawyers were idiots.

And since then, where it is working its way through the courts, all appeal courts have ruled there is no such thing as absolute immunity and the House has won their suit for his white house lawyer Don McGahn, to testify....... waiting for the SC.

Your opinion of his lawyers doesn't matter.

Normal protocol is to go to court and get a ruling. Your House Clowns refused to follow normal protocol. That's on them.

Dimwingers always try to blame others for their failures, and this is no different.

There is already precedence though, it has already been established in the SC, with the Nixon Impeachment hearings, the oval office tapes were relevant to the impeachment, thus executive privilege did not apply.

Thus all the rulings in the McGahn trial have ruled in the House's favor, the precedence set on it.

The suits are stall tactics, they know the end result won't be with him, imo.

If you are correct (first time for everything, I guess) the House Clowns would win in court. That doesn't excuse the fact YOUR House Clowns refused to follow protocol and go to the courts. Seems odd since they had an open and shut case, according to you.

 

[boedicca]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

Abuse of Power is not a character flaw. Abuse of American foreign policy for personal political gain is not a character flaw.

It's an impeachable offense against this country by our Presdient.

That sounds really groovy to the thoroughly programmed, but it's nonsense.

1. Trump didn't abuse power.
2. Even if he did, it's not "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

If anyone is abusing power in this situation, it's the Legislative Dems.

You asserting that Trump did nothing is wrong is nice and all, but of course that is not what the evidence and Trump's indictment says.

What you assert is not a serious alternative to a proper TRIAL.

The indictment is nonsense. He didn't abuse power and there is no such crime as Obstruction of Congress.

 

[joaquinmiller]

If Repubs really believed the Democrats impeachment was dishonest or unfair, you wouldn't be able to stop them from calling witnesses to "correct" the record.

When is knowing less, or learning less, ever a good argument? Other than when one wants to hide the truth, of course.

Apparently you have not been paying attention. The House Clowns played all kinds of videos of their witnesses they used to put together their "overwhelming case".

Please get up to speed before posting further.

The trial is in the Senate. The Clowns now in question are the Republican Senators with tape over their eyes, plugs in their ears, and heads up their asses. You know, like you and Marty, except those clowns are office holders. You ought to quit blaming the Republican resistance to honesty on other people.

So, anyway, when is knowing less ever a good argument? Other than when one wants to hide the truth, of course.

 

[S.J.]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

IOW you're upset because the defendant won't take on the role of the prosecutor since they're unable to make their case. If you were on trial would you expect your attorney to help the other side convict you?

 

[Olde Europe]

If Repubs really believed the Democrats impeachment was dishonest or unfair, you wouldn't be able to stop them from calling witnesses to "correct" the record.

When is knowing less, or learning less, ever a good argument? Other than when one wants to hide the truth, of course.

Quite.

Just admit it, you would never have guessed the lengths to which some people go to conceal exculpatory evidence.

 

[joaquinmiller]

If Repubs really believed the Democrats impeachment was dishonest or unfair, you wouldn't be able to stop them from calling witnesses to "correct" the record.

When is knowing less, or learning less, ever a good argument? Other than when one wants to hide the truth, of course.

Quite.

Just admit it, you would never have guessed the lengths to which some people go to conceal exculpatory evidence.

You're right. Then again, I'm old enough to remember when people would be embarrassed at being caught lying.

 

[Nostra]

If Repubs really believed the Democrats impeachment was dishonest or unfair, you wouldn't be able to stop them from calling witnesses to "correct" the record.

When is knowing less, or learning less, ever a good argument? Other than when one wants to hide the truth, of course.

Apparently you have not been paying attention. The House Clowns played all kinds of videos of their witnesses they used to put together their "overwhelming case".

Please get up to speed before posting further.

The trial is in the Senate. The Clowns now in question are the Republican Senators with tape over their eyes, plugs in their ears, and heads up their asses. You know, like you and Marty, except those clowns are office holders. You ought to quit blaming the Republican resistance to honesty on other people.

So, anyway, when is knowing less ever a good argument? Other than when one wants to hide the truth, of course.

Your ignorance of the respective roles of the House and Senate regarding impeachment isn't my problem.

 

[Ame®icano]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

Abuse of Power is not a character flaw. Abuse of American foreign policy for personal political gain is not a character flaw.

It's an impeachable offense against this country by our Presdient.

That sounds really groovy to the thoroughly programmed, but it's nonsense.

1. Trump didn't abuse power.
2. Even if he did, it's not "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

If anyone is abusing power in this situation, it's the Legislative Dems.

You asserting that Trump did nothing is wrong is nice and all, but of course that is not what the evidence and Trump's indictment says.

What you assert is not a serious alternative to a proper TRIAL.

"evidence"

LOL

Is it overwhelming?

 

[joaquinmiller]

If Repubs really believed the Democrats impeachment was dishonest or unfair, you wouldn't be able to stop them from calling witnesses to "correct" the record.

When is knowing less, or learning less, ever a good argument? Other than when one wants to hide the truth, of course.

Apparently you have not been paying attention. The House Clowns played all kinds of videos of their witnesses they used to put together their "overwhelming case".

Please get up to speed before posting further.

The trial is in the Senate. The Clowns now in question are the Republican Senators with tape over their eyes, plugs in their ears, and heads up their asses. You know, like you and Marty, except those clowns are office holders. You ought to quit blaming the Republican resistance to honesty on other people.

So, anyway, when is knowing less ever a good argument? Other than when one wants to hide the truth, of course.

Your ignorance of the respective roles of the House and Senate regarding impeachment isn't my problem.

Yes, if your problems were related to that, you wouldn't have a problem.

 

[joaquinmiller]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

Abuse of Power is not a character flaw. Abuse of American foreign policy for personal political gain is not a character flaw.

It's an impeachable offense against this country by our Presdient.

That sounds really groovy to the thoroughly programmed, but it's nonsense.

1. Trump didn't abuse power.
2. Even if he did, it's not "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

If anyone is abusing power in this situation, it's the Legislative Dems.

You asserting that Trump did nothing is wrong is nice and all, but of course that is not what the evidence and Trump's indictment says.

What you assert is not a serious alternative to a proper TRIAL.

"evidence"

LOL

Is it overwhelming?

It's sufficient, convincing and uncontested. Sadly, that won't have anything to do with the way Senators will vote.

 

[Nostra]

If Repubs really believed the Democrats impeachment was dishonest or unfair, you wouldn't be able to stop them from calling witnesses to "correct" the record.

When is knowing less, or learning less, ever a good argument? Other than when one wants to hide the truth, of course.

Apparently you have not been paying attention. The House Clowns played all kinds of videos of their witnesses they used to put together their "overwhelming case".

Please get up to speed before posting further.

The trial is in the Senate. The Clowns now in question are the Republican Senators with tape over their eyes, plugs in their ears, and heads up their asses. You know, like you and Marty, except those clowns are office holders. You ought to quit blaming the Republican resistance to honesty on other people.

So, anyway, when is knowing less ever a good argument? Other than when one wants to hide the truth, of course.

Your ignorance of the respective roles of the House and Senate regarding impeachment isn't my problem.

Yes, if your problems were related to that, you wouldn't have a problem.

So you agree your ignorance isn't my problem.

Got it.

 

[Nostra]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

Abuse of Power is not a character flaw. Abuse of American foreign policy for personal political gain is not a character flaw.

It's an impeachable offense against this country by our Presdient.

That sounds really groovy to the thoroughly programmed, but it's nonsense.

1. Trump didn't abuse power.
2. Even if he did, it's not "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

If anyone is abusing power in this situation, it's the Legislative Dems.

You asserting that Trump did nothing is wrong is nice and all, but of course that is not what the evidence and Trump's indictment says.

What you assert is not a serious alternative to a proper TRIAL.

"evidence"

LOL

Is it overwhelming?

It's sufficient, convincing and uncontested. Sadly, that won't have anything to do with the way Senators will vote.

Sufficient? Then why are the House Clown begging the Senate jurors to conduct the investigation the House Clowns should have done before going to trial?

Convincing? To single digit IQ lefty lemmings, maybe.

Uncontested? This one doesn't even deserve comment.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

IT'S FUCKING LOGIC OP......

CLEARLY the DEMONICRATS used every excuse in a fairy-tale to impeach Trump. Look up all the reasons they pulled from their ass since before he even took office. Credibility lost, gone. They did this to themselves.

Then Demonicats came up with an extremely weak case, and they moved on it FAST because this is a last ditched effort to replace Trump with a Demonicrat. It's the same kind of shit they pulled with Ford/Kavanaugh, political posturing.

While you might think all Senators are stupid, they're not. They're simply not playing the Demoinicrat's game, because the accusation from start is WEAK and credibility is non-existent.

 

[AntonToo]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

Abuse of Power is not a character flaw. Abuse of American foreign policy for personal political gain is not a character flaw.

It's an impeachable offense against this country by our Presdient.

That sounds really groovy to the thoroughly programmed, but it's nonsense.

1. Trump didn't abuse power.
2. Even if he did, it's not "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

If anyone is abusing power in this situation, it's the Legislative Dems.

You asserting that Trump did nothing is wrong is nice and all, but of course that is not what the evidence and Trump's indictment says.

What you assert is not a serious alternative to a proper TRIAL.

"evidence"

LOL

Is it overwhelming?

Yes evidence Moron, a mountain of evidence.

 

[AntonToo]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

Abuse of Power is not a character flaw. Abuse of American foreign policy for personal political gain is not a character flaw.

It's an impeachable offense against this country by our Presdient.

That sounds really groovy to the thoroughly programmed, but it's nonsense.

1. Trump didn't abuse power.
2. Even if he did, it's not "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

If anyone is abusing power in this situation, it's the Legislative Dems.

You asserting that Trump did nothing is wrong is nice and all, but of course that is not what the evidence and Trump's indictment says.

What you assert is not a serious alternative to a proper TRIAL.

The indictment is nonsense. He didn't abuse power and there is no such crime as Obstruction of Congress.

Well there you go again, asserting things.

Here in the real world a trial has to take place when an indictment is brought.

 

[Nostra]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

Abuse of Power is not a character flaw. Abuse of American foreign policy for personal political gain is not a character flaw.

It's an impeachable offense against this country by our Presdient.

That sounds really groovy to the thoroughly programmed, but it's nonsense.

1. Trump didn't abuse power.
2. Even if he did, it's not "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

If anyone is abusing power in this situation, it's the Legislative Dems.

You asserting that Trump did nothing is wrong is nice and all, but of course that is not what the evidence and Trump's indictment says.

What you assert is not a serious alternative to a proper TRIAL.

"evidence"

LOL

Is it overwhelming?

Yes evidence Moron, a mountain of evidence.

A mountain of hearsay and feelings, not evidence.

If the evidence is "overwhelming", why are the House Clowns over at the Senate begging the jurors to conduct the investigation they refused to do in the House?

 

[Ame®icano]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

Abuse of Power is not a character flaw. Abuse of American foreign policy for personal political gain is not a character flaw.

It's an impeachable offense against this country by our Presdient.

That sounds really groovy to the thoroughly programmed, but it's nonsense.

1. Trump didn't abuse power.
2. Even if he did, it's not "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

If anyone is abusing power in this situation, it's the Legislative Dems.

You asserting that Trump did nothing is wrong is nice and all, but of course that is not what the evidence and Trump's indictment says.

What you assert is not a serious alternative to a proper TRIAL.

"evidence"

LOL

Is it overwhelming?

It's sufficient, convincing and uncontested. Sadly, that won't have anything to do with the way Senators will vote.

It's sufficient and convincing only to those who are trying to get Trump out of office since the day he was elected. Uncontested? I don't think so.

Please explain, what would be the point of Trump asking for dirt against Biden when Biden himself boasted before the Council on Foreign Relations that he had forced the Ukrainian President to fire the prosecutor or forfeit $1 billion?

That is common knowledge. Why should Trump have to pay Ukraine for it?

Vice President Biden’s clear, open admission that he did what Democrats falsely accuse Trump of doing is total proof of the utter corruption of the Democratic Party.

 

[Ame®icano]

Oh P-shaw!

We already know that Trump puts ketchup on his welldone steak, has two scoops of vanilla ice cream, and gets to use larger Salt and Pepper shakers than everyone else.

We don't really need to tie up the entire legislative branch to publicize these Trumpian Character "Flaws".

Abuse of Power is not a character flaw. Abuse of American foreign policy for personal political gain is not a character flaw.

It's an impeachable offense against this country by our Presdient.

That sounds really groovy to the thoroughly programmed, but it's nonsense.

1. Trump didn't abuse power.
2. Even if he did, it's not "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

If anyone is abusing power in this situation, it's the Legislative Dems.

You asserting that Trump did nothing is wrong is nice and all, but of course that is not what the evidence and Trump's indictment says.

What you assert is not a serious alternative to a proper TRIAL.

"evidence"

LOL

Is it overwhelming?

Yes evidence Moron, a mountain of evidence.

Then you have no reason to ask Senate to do House's job and investigate. You have mountain of evidence, shitstain.

 

[AntonToo]

Abuse of Power is not a character flaw. Abuse of American foreign policy for personal political gain is not a character flaw.

It's an impeachable offense against this country by our Presdient.

That sounds really groovy to the thoroughly programmed, but it's nonsense.

1. Trump didn't abuse power.
2. Even if he did, it's not "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".

If anyone is abusing power in this situation, it's the Legislative Dems.

You asserting that Trump did nothing is wrong is nice and all, but of course that is not what the evidence and Trump's indictment says.

What you assert is not a serious alternative to a proper TRIAL.

"evidence"

LOL

Is it overwhelming?

It's sufficient, convincing and uncontested. Sadly, that won't have anything to do with the way Senators will vote.

It's sufficient and convincing only to those who are trying to get Trump out of office since the day he was elected. Uncontested? I don't think so.

Please explain, what would be the point of Trump asking for dirt against Biden when Biden himself boasted before the Council on Foreign Relations that he had forced the Ukrainian President to fire the prosecutor or forfeit $1 billion?

That is common knowledge. Why should Trump have to pay Ukraine for it?

Vice President Biden’s clear, open admission that he did what Democrats falsely accuse Trump of doing is total proof of the utter corruption of the Democratic Party.

Quick question.

Why don’t you want people involved to testify before Senate, exonerate President and embarrass Democrat’s sham impeachment?