Lysistrata
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- Oct 11, 2017
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lollolThe baker wasn't "punished," the gay couple were. The baker punished them for their beliefs by refusing to do business with them because he personally does not agree with their lifestyle.
Well la dee dah. No one cares what your personal opinion is when you are doing business with the public. In this country, we're EQUAL.
I feel bad for him, because he has been consistent in his beliefs for years and it isn't just gay cakes he won't make. But I don't see another solution but stepping in and forcing him to follow the rules of equality.
Wrong, he doesn't just disagree, the work violated his deeply held religious convictions. That's also in the Constitution and the gov't should not be able to FORCE you to do that, not even to do business.
I think the baker has an excellent chance with this Supreme Court.
See Employment Division,Dept. of Human Resources of Oregon v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990)
Employment Division v. Smith
All persons, no matter of what their beliefs are, must obey generally applicable laws.
Allowing exceptions to every state law or regulation affecting religion "would open the prospect of constitutionally required exemptions from civic obligations of almost every conceivable kind."Justice Antonin Scalia
Your theory would create social chaos, with the adult population among 320+ people each going his or her own way, each guided only by a personal belief.
Personally, I don't want to see horse-drawn buggies on the beltway.
Ok, How about people have the decency not to try and force their views on other people through business? Why force someone to To do something they obviously object to? But then again you are a control freak... It’s a control freak thing I do not understand
"Decency" has nothing to do with it. Nobody tried to force any view on anyone. He has/had a business license. He had quite an elaborate website. Even on it, he did not indicate that the service that he was offering was restricted to certain members of the public. It was a general invitation to patronize his business. He did not do anything at all to warn the public of his religious proclivities. All that happened was that his violation of anti-discrimination laws was reported through the established procedure.
The couple did nothing wrong, and they are blameless in this matter. I notice that the anti-LGBT types always try to flip the blame onto LGBTs, which is BS. This guy failed in his responsibilities.
It is ridiculous to force someone to do business they want nothing to do with
PA laws are in place for a good reason. If a person does not want to do business, then they don't need to establish one.
You obviously are a control freak. Nobody needs to "keep their shit to themselves" and nobody is expecting "other people to the adjust or adapt to it" except in the normal course of business. I don't even know how anyone would "keep their shit to themselves," anyway. Somehow, I do not think that you keep your shit to yourself. I think that you walk around freely in society. Yet you are issuing demands of others.
Get over the notion that you own the country or the world. You don't. You always have the option of leaving.