I was wrong about Covid 19, and you probably was too.

[eagle1462010]

Never seen so damned many NEGATIVE ASSED WANKERS IN MY WHOLE LIFE......

American have turned into Cowards.............This virus is bad........yup..........we will take casualties and WILL SURVIVE THIS....

Stop PLAYING THIS stupid................HE BROKE THE LAMP...........before we have to get the belt.

 

[U2Edge]

#1) I disagree he failed to act.

#2) So is South Korea. The cases in the US % wise are very few and far between.

1.) He should have shut the international borders back in February. He only shut down direct transport from China. Just shutting down travel from one country does virtually nothing in those globalized market place.

2.) Japan is the better comparison. Japan only has 9 cases per 1 million in population. The United States now has 98 cases per one million in population. The United States had a chance to be Japan. But Trump failed to act!

#1) He was getting mixed messages. He didn't want to happen in terms what is happening now. Economy in an upheaval, unemployment rising to 20% and kids not in schools. It is easy to be the Monday Morning QB but this was a very difficult decision. He did shut down travel but the virus was already here.

#2) Japan is much smaller than US and it is not all Trump. We are a Republic not an Empire. Trump was vilified and called a racist for closing travel to and from China if you recall.

#1) Trump is President and when he fails to do the job, you need to let him go.

#2) Japan is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of population, but only has 1,086 cases compared to New York States 22,000+! Massive failure.

#1) People will decide in November

#2) Ever been to NY...people are literally on top of one another. Not the size but the density is what counts. I am not shocked NY got it so bad.

Japan has greater population density than New York State. Tokyo is a larger city than New York City.

You just said NY has more people in it than all of Japan? Is NY larger than all of Japan in terms of territory?

No, I said JAPAN is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of POPULATION. It is 3 times the size of New York State in terms of territory.

So then Japan has better social distancing and is more proactive? What are you trying to say? Russia has fewer cases as well. I believe those countries along with South Korea acted faster because of their proximity to China.

Waiting to act is why the United States is in this current mess it is, while Russia and Japan have a relatively light infection numbers. You could wait maybe a day or two, but that's it. Thanks to air traffic, it takes less than 24 hours to get from middle of China to the furthest point on the planet from there which would be the middle of Argentina. That's how fast this lethal pathogen can spread around the world now that its in humans. The time to shut everything down was back on February 1, 2020.

Stop over hyping the lethality of this bug.

The lethality of this bug is way lower than advertised because we know that an unknown and potentially large number of people have been infected but their symptoms were mild or even nonexistent any they never sought medical help or got tested

I'm just repeating what the SCIENCE on this has said and what people who study pandemics have said. The harm done by overreacting is minimal compared to the harm done by not acting enough.

It Depends on how you define harm.

I think destroying the businesses of many millions of people is pretty harmful

If 2 million people are dead by the end of the year and the health care system is overwhelmed and destroyed, think about the economic ripple effects that would have on the rest of the country. Business's are going to be destroyed regardless of what happens. The only question is, DO YOU WANT TO SAVE LIVES! We still can save people's lives.

So you're making up a number and assuming it will come to pass.

Tell me do you know how many people have contracted this bug and recovered without ever seeking medical attention or getting tested?

Its not made up, its a projection based on SCIENTIFIC MODELING designed to predict the impact of pandemics.

The latest science and information says that 80% will not need to seek medical attention. The 20% that will though is more than enough to overwhelm and destroy the health care system.

 

[U2Edge]

No one was ready for this kind of crisis that will end up touching us all to some degree.

Thats only because the incompetent fuckup in the WH claimed it was not a big deal and a hoax.

Nope. Wouldn't have mattered who was in the White House, and wouldn't have mattered what they said. Once the dominoes started to fall around the world, our fate was sealed.
The world in 2020 is so mobile, nothing could have stopped this. It would have helped some if we would have tightened up our borders and restricted certain countries from coming here, but this would have only slightly delayed the inevitable.

Nope. Government action matters. Trump failed. Japan has only 1,086 cases. The United States has 32,000+. New York State alone has 17,530 and New York State is five times smaller than Japan in population. This is Trump's mess, the buck stops with him. The only question is how bad things will get. Hopefully New York state reaches a peak soon and then starts to level off.

As I finish writing this, the United States is now at 38,000+ cases and New York State is at 22,000+ cases. Japan still only has 1,086 cases. If New York State were a country, it would have the 6th largest total in the world now.

What's the population of Japan compared to the US?

If you're going to make that comparison use percentages if you can figure out how to calculate them

For example in my state .006% of the population has been confirmed by testing to have been infected.

Sorry I don't see this as the apocalypse it is being made out to be

Population of Japan: 126,000,000

Population of United States: 332,000,000

So the United States is nearly 3 times the size of Japan, but has 35 times more cases. That's a massive failure by TRUMP!

Not really it just proves that the US population is much more mobile and the US is a much more popular international destination.

The fact that most cases are being reported in the most densely populated areas should be no surprise either

Japan is just as mobile as the United States in terms of transportation. In fact, they are even more mobile given their much larger public transportation networks. Plus their population on average is much older and more vulnerable. Yet, they have succeeded in keeping infections low, despite their greater exposure to China.

How many Japanese people travel to China regularly compared to the number of Americans? And the Chinese and Japanese people really don't like each other much so it's not likely they have a huge influx of people from China visiting Japan or vice versa

I see no real analog to Japanese out of country travel habits to Americans and there is no way that Japan has the influx of foreign travelers that we do here.

1. China is Japan's largest trading partner for both imports and exports.
2. Japan has just as many airline flights, buses, and trains as the United States. In fact, it has greater public transportation across the country than the United States on a per capita basis.
3. Geographic proximity. Very short transportation times for air and sea travel between Japan and China relative to the United States. That leads to more connections among the people of both countries regardless of what happened 75 years ago during World War II.

The US never has been and never will be analogous to Japan.

They wear face masks over there all the time

I'm just listing the facts. You can think whatever you want.

 

[Blues Man]

#1) I disagree he failed to act.

#2) So is South Korea. The cases in the US % wise are very few and far between.

1.) He should have shut the international borders back in February. He only shut down direct transport from China. Just shutting down travel from one country does virtually nothing in those globalized market place.

2.) Japan is the better comparison. Japan only has 9 cases per 1 million in population. The United States now has 98 cases per one million in population. The United States had a chance to be Japan. But Trump failed to act!

#1) He was getting mixed messages. He didn't want to happen in terms what is happening now. Economy in an upheaval, unemployment rising to 20% and kids not in schools. It is easy to be the Monday Morning QB but this was a very difficult decision. He did shut down travel but the virus was already here.

#2) Japan is much smaller than US and it is not all Trump. We are a Republic not an Empire. Trump was vilified and called a racist for closing travel to and from China if you recall.

#1) Trump is President and when he fails to do the job, you need to let him go.

#2) Japan is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of population, but only has 1,086 cases compared to New York States 22,000+! Massive failure.

#1) People will decide in November

#2) Ever been to NY...people are literally on top of one another. Not the size but the density is what counts. I am not shocked NY got it so bad.

Japan has greater population density than New York State. Tokyo is a larger city than New York City.

You just said NY has more people in it than all of Japan? Is NY larger than all of Japan in terms of territory?

No, I said JAPAN is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of POPULATION. It is 3 times the size of New York State in terms of territory.

So then Japan has better social distancing and is more proactive? What are you trying to say? Russia has fewer cases as well. I believe those countries along with South Korea acted faster because of their proximity to China.

Waiting to act is why the United States is in this current mess it is, while Russia and Japan have a relatively light infection numbers. You could wait maybe a day or two, but that's it. Thanks to air traffic, it takes less than 24 hours to get from middle of China to the furthest point on the planet from there which would be the middle of Argentina. That's how fast this lethal pathogen can spread around the world now that its in humans. The time to shut everything down was back on February 1, 2020.

Stop over hyping the lethality of this bug.

The lethality of this bug is way lower than advertised because we know that an unknown and potentially large number of people have been infected but their symptoms were mild or even nonexistent any they never sought medical help or got tested

I'm just repeating what the SCIENCE on this has said and what people who study pandemics have said. The harm done by overreacting is minimal compared to the harm done by not acting enough.

It Depends on how you define harm.

I think destroying the businesses of many millions of people is pretty harmful

If 2 million people are dead by the end of the year and the health care system is overwhelmed and destroyed, think about the economic ripple effects that would have on the rest of the country. Business's are going to be destroyed regardless of what happens. The only question is, DO YOU WANT TO SAVE LIVES! We still can save people's lives.

So you're making up a number and assuming it will come to pass.

Tell me do you know how many people have contracted this bug and recovered without ever seeking medical attention or getting tested?

Its not made up, its a projection based on SCIENTIFIC MODELING designed to predict the impact of pandemics.

The latest science and information says that 80% will not need to seek medical attention. The 20% that will though is more than enough to overwhelm and destroy the health care system.

And that's a guess. Calling it scientific modeling doesn't it make it otherwise.

Do you know right now how many people have already had this bug and recovered without seeking medical help or getting tested?

The answer is no and that number will never be known so the actual lethality if this bug will never be known

 

[Nostra]

You've completely backed yourself into a corner here. BY YOUR OWN EVIDENCE the speaker is "Harvey Dong". It says so right in the text. There's nothing you can do to change that. A newspaper (or radio, etc) does not publish only that with which it "agrees". Nor does THIS WEBSITE.

I never said I wanted to change anything. Try to pay attention. I said a radio is not a newspaper. You claim there is no difference. WaPo CHOSE to publish that crap. Then that crap is parroted by a radio that is an inanimate object. You don't address that fact nor apparently can you. The bottom line is...you are and were 100% wrong. The media called Trump a racist for calling the virus the Chinese virus. You have tried to slither out of that bullshit for many posts but you have only succeeded in making a fool of yourself.

Well, the name of the virus is novel coronavirus, and it causes covid-19 disease. Does that clear it up?

It's from CHINA. You know, like the SPANISH flu, the Hong Kong flu....we KNOW there is a scientific name so fucking what?

So call it by its proper name. Why is that hard?

Chinese Virus.

Happy?

 

[Nostra]

You've completely backed yourself into a corner here. BY YOUR OWN EVIDENCE the speaker is "Harvey Dong". It says so right in the text. There's nothing you can do to change that. A newspaper (or radio, etc) does not publish only that with which it "agrees". Nor does THIS WEBSITE.

I never said I wanted to change anything. Try to pay attention. I said a radio is not a newspaper. You claim there is no difference. WaPo CHOSE to publish that crap. Then that crap is parroted by a radio that is an inanimate object. You don't address that fact nor apparently can you. The bottom line is...you are and were 100% wrong. The media called Trump a racist for calling the virus the Chinese virus. You have tried to slither out of that bullshit for many posts but you have only succeeded in making a fool of yourself.

Well, the name of the virus is novel coronavirus, and it causes covid-19 disease. Does that clear it up?

It's from CHINA. You know, like the SPANISH flu, the Hong Kong flu....we KNOW there is a scientific name so fucking what?

And by the way, the Spanish flu wasn't from Spain.

So? Is it "racist"?

 

[Nostra]

Now you're just recycling my post with your name on them. Get this through your dense cranium --- IF "HARVEY DONG" WERE NOT THE AUTHOR OF THE COMMENT, THERE WOULD BE NO REASON TO EVEN MENTION HIS NAME. If Donald Rump stands in front of a mic and swears that his father was born in Germany and WaPo prints that he said that, IT'S RUMP'S WORDS, NOT WaPo. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF ATTRIBUTING QUOTES, SO YOU KNOW WHO THE FUCK SAID IT.

Good CHRIST!!

I'm not recycling anything, you are ignoring the fact that WaPo chose to publish outright lies. I am not saying they don't have the right, I am saying that you seem to not know the difference between a lying liberal rag like WaPo and a fucking radio. YOU made the comment. Not me. The rest of your post is nonsense.

Holy SHIT you just dig yourself deeper and deeper doncha.

OPINION CANNOT BE LIES, Dumbass. An OPINION is a VALUE JUDGMENT.

I never said opinion cannot be lies. What the fuck are you reading? In fact I said they have the RIGHT to publish lies. But TDSers like you seem not to know the difference.

You are a fucking baboon.

There's just no other possible explanation.

Read these posts when you sober up.

You're a fucking idiot. You think a radio is the same as a newspaper. How about YOU sober up? Do you think Trump is a racist?

Pogo is a blithering idiot. Talk Radio does not have editors reading and approving what is said before it goes over the airwaves.

 

[Nostra]

So call it by its proper name. Why is that hard?

So fucking what? We can call it whatever we want. There is no 'name police'

Again, why is it hard to call it by its proper name? Is it because you WANT to call it the "Chinese Virus" for some reason?

Because that's where it came from.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) I disagree he failed to act.

#2) So is South Korea. The cases in the US % wise are very few and far between.

1.) He should have shut the international borders back in February. He only shut down direct transport from China. Just shutting down travel from one country does virtually nothing in those globalized market place.

2.) Japan is the better comparison. Japan only has 9 cases per 1 million in population. The United States now has 98 cases per one million in population. The United States had a chance to be Japan. But Trump failed to act!

#1) He was getting mixed messages. He didn't want to happen in terms what is happening now. Economy in an upheaval, unemployment rising to 20% and kids not in schools. It is easy to be the Monday Morning QB but this was a very difficult decision. He did shut down travel but the virus was already here.

#2) Japan is much smaller than US and it is not all Trump. We are a Republic not an Empire. Trump was vilified and called a racist for closing travel to and from China if you recall.

#1) Trump is President and when he fails to do the job, you need to let him go.

#2) Japan is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of population, but only has 1,086 cases compared to New York States 22,000+! Massive failure.

#1) People will decide in November

#2) Ever been to NY...people are literally on top of one another. Not the size but the density is what counts. I am not shocked NY got it so bad.

Japan has greater population density than New York State. Tokyo is a larger city than New York City.

You just said NY has more people in it than all of Japan? Is NY larger than all of Japan in terms of territory?

No, I said JAPAN is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of POPULATION. It is 3 times the size of New York State in terms of territory.

So then Japan has better social distancing and is more proactive? What are you trying to say? Russia has fewer cases as well. I believe those countries along with South Korea acted faster because of their proximity to China.

Waiting to act is why the United States is in this current mess it is, while Russia and Japan have a relatively light infection numbers. You could wait maybe a day or two, but that's it. Thanks to air traffic, it takes less than 24 hours to get from middle of China to the furthest point on the planet from there which would be the middle of Argentina. That's how fast this lethal pathogen can spread around the world now that its in humans. The time to shut everything down was back on February 1, 2020.

Stop over hyping the lethality of this bug.

The lethality of this bug is way lower than advertised because we know that an unknown and potentially large number of people have been infected but their symptoms were mild or even nonexistent any they never sought medical help or got tested

I'm just repeating what the SCIENCE on this has said and what people who study pandemics have said. The harm done by overreacting is minimal compared to the harm done by not acting enough.

It Depends on how you define harm.

I think destroying the businesses of many millions of people is pretty harmful

If 2 million people are dead by the end of the year and the health care system is overwhelmed and destroyed, think about the economic ripple effects that would have on the rest of the country. Business's are going to be destroyed regardless of what happens. The only question is, DO YOU WANT TO SAVE LIVES! We still can save people's lives.

So you're making up a number and assuming it will come to pass.

Tell me do you know how many people have contracted this bug and recovered without ever seeking medical attention or getting tested?

Its not made up, its a projection based on SCIENTIFIC MODELING designed to predict the impact of pandemics.

The latest science and information says that 80% will not need to seek medical attention. The 20% that will though is more than enough to overwhelm and destroy the health care system.

I believe 80% show little to no symptoms. 15% show symptoms but can be treated at home. 5% need hospitalization and 5% to your point would overhelm!!

 

[Nostra]

ow makes you feel better to call the coronavirus the Chinese Virus, go ahead. But I don't think that will prevent you or your loved ones from catching it, either way.

I never said calling it the Chinese Virus would prevent one from getting it. Honestly, where did you get that from? LOL

I didn't say that you made that claim. I was making fun of your desire/need to call it the Chinese Virus. The name that you call the virus (or the name that I call it) won't prevent either one of us from getting it. Understand? The virus doesn't give a damn.

I never said I had a desire to call it anything. My point was that the mainstream media is pushing the 'racist' moniker on Trump for calling it the 'Chinese Virus.' Wa Po published a story about it by some stupid anti Trump idiot. I was arguing with Pogo that they are obviously biased. Pogo said that WaPo was like a radio. Talk about a rabbit hole!! LOL

Well, if you don't have a desire or need to call it the Chinese Virus, would you call it the coronavirus?

I like calling it the Chinese virus cuz it tweaks off Dimsocialist snowflakes, and the dumbass MSM who were calling it that until Trump did............then it became racist.

 

[U2Edge]

#1) I disagree he failed to act.

#2) So is South Korea. The cases in the US % wise are very few and far between.

1.) He should have shut the international borders back in February. He only shut down direct transport from China. Just shutting down travel from one country does virtually nothing in those globalized market place.

2.) Japan is the better comparison. Japan only has 9 cases per 1 million in population. The United States now has 98 cases per one million in population. The United States had a chance to be Japan. But Trump failed to act!

#1) He was getting mixed messages. He didn't want to happen in terms what is happening now. Economy in an upheaval, unemployment rising to 20% and kids not in schools. It is easy to be the Monday Morning QB but this was a very difficult decision. He did shut down travel but the virus was already here.

#2) Japan is much smaller than US and it is not all Trump. We are a Republic not an Empire. Trump was vilified and called a racist for closing travel to and from China if you recall.

#1) Trump is President and when he fails to do the job, you need to let him go.

#2) Japan is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of population, but only has 1,086 cases compared to New York States 22,000+! Massive failure.

#1) People will decide in November

#2) Ever been to NY...people are literally on top of one another. Not the size but the density is what counts. I am not shocked NY got it so bad.

Japan has greater population density than New York State. Tokyo is a larger city than New York City.

You just said NY has more people in it than all of Japan? Is NY larger than all of Japan in terms of territory?

No, I said JAPAN is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of POPULATION. It is 3 times the size of New York State in terms of territory.

So then Japan has better social distancing and is more proactive? What are you trying to say? Russia has fewer cases as well. I believe those countries along with South Korea acted faster because of their proximity to China.

Waiting to act is why the United States is in this current mess it is, while Russia and Japan have a relatively light infection numbers. You could wait maybe a day or two, but that's it. Thanks to air traffic, it takes less than 24 hours to get from middle of China to the furthest point on the planet from there which would be the middle of Argentina. That's how fast this lethal pathogen can spread around the world now that its in humans. The time to shut everything down was back on February 1, 2020.

Stop over hyping the lethality of this bug.

The lethality of this bug is way lower than advertised because we know that an unknown and potentially large number of people have been infected but their symptoms were mild or even nonexistent any they never sought medical help or got tested

I'm just repeating what the SCIENCE on this has said and what people who study pandemics have said. The harm done by overreacting is minimal compared to the harm done by not acting enough.

It Depends on how you define harm.

I think destroying the businesses of many millions of people is pretty harmful

If 2 million people are dead by the end of the year and the health care system is overwhelmed and destroyed, think about the economic ripple effects that would have on the rest of the country. Business's are going to be destroyed regardless of what happens. The only question is, DO YOU WANT TO SAVE LIVES! We still can save people's lives.

So you're making up a number and assuming it will come to pass.

Tell me do you know how many people have contracted this bug and recovered without ever seeking medical attention or getting tested?

Its not made up, its a projection based on SCIENTIFIC MODELING designed to predict the impact of pandemics.

The latest science and information says that 80% will not need to seek medical attention. The 20% that will though is more than enough to overwhelm and destroy the health care system.

And that's a guess. Calling it scientific modeling doesn't it make it otherwise.

Do you know right now how many people have already had this bug and recovered without seeking medical help or getting tested?

The answer is no and that number will never be known so the actual lethality if this bug will never be known

Which means you have to plan for the worse case that the scientific modeling suggest.

 

[eagle1462010]

So call it by its proper name. Why is that hard?

So fucking what? We can call it whatever we want. There is no 'name police'

Again, why is it hard to call it by its proper name? Is it because you WANT to call it the "Chinese Virus" for some reason?

Because that's where it came from.

Wow...........Kung Flu came from China..........Dang........I thought it came from the South Pole.........

#1) I disagree he failed to act.

#2) So is South Korea. The cases in the US % wise are very few and far between.

1.) He should have shut the international borders back in February. He only shut down direct transport from China. Just shutting down travel from one country does virtually nothing in those globalized market place.

2.) Japan is the better comparison. Japan only has 9 cases per 1 million in population. The United States now has 98 cases per one million in population. The United States had a chance to be Japan. But Trump failed to act!

#1) He was getting mixed messages. He didn't want to happen in terms what is happening now. Economy in an upheaval, unemployment rising to 20% and kids not in schools. It is easy to be the Monday Morning QB but this was a very difficult decision. He did shut down travel but the virus was already here.

#2) Japan is much smaller than US and it is not all Trump. We are a Republic not an Empire. Trump was vilified and called a racist for closing travel to and from China if you recall.

#1) Trump is President and when he fails to do the job, you need to let him go.

#2) Japan is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of population, but only has 1,086 cases compared to New York States 22,000+! Massive failure.

#1) People will decide in November

#2) Ever been to NY...people are literally on top of one another. Not the size but the density is what counts. I am not shocked NY got it so bad.

Japan has greater population density than New York State. Tokyo is a larger city than New York City.

You just said NY has more people in it than all of Japan? Is NY larger than all of Japan in terms of territory?

No, I said JAPAN is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of POPULATION. It is 3 times the size of New York State in terms of territory.

So then Japan has better social distancing and is more proactive? What are you trying to say? Russia has fewer cases as well. I believe those countries along with South Korea acted faster because of their proximity to China.

Waiting to act is why the United States is in this current mess it is, while Russia and Japan have a relatively light infection numbers. You could wait maybe a day or two, but that's it. Thanks to air traffic, it takes less than 24 hours to get from middle of China to the furthest point on the planet from there which would be the middle of Argentina. That's how fast this lethal pathogen can spread around the world now that its in humans. The time to shut everything down was back on February 1, 2020.

Stop over hyping the lethality of this bug.

The lethality of this bug is way lower than advertised because we know that an unknown and potentially large number of people have been infected but their symptoms were mild or even nonexistent any they never sought medical help or got tested

I'm just repeating what the SCIENCE on this has said and what people who study pandemics have said. The harm done by overreacting is minimal compared to the harm done by not acting enough.

It Depends on how you define harm.

I think destroying the businesses of many millions of people is pretty harmful

If 2 million people are dead by the end of the year and the health care system is overwhelmed and destroyed, think about the economic ripple effects that would have on the rest of the country. Business's are going to be destroyed regardless of what happens. The only question is, DO YOU WANT TO SAVE LIVES! We still can save people's lives.

So you're making up a number and assuming it will come to pass.

Tell me do you know how many people have contracted this bug and recovered without ever seeking medical attention or getting tested?

Its not made up, its a projection based on SCIENTIFIC MODELING designed to predict the impact of pandemics.

The latest science and information says that 80% will not need to seek medical attention. The 20% that will though is more than enough to overwhelm and destroy the health care system.

I believe 80% show little to no symptoms. 15% show symptoms but can be treated at home. 5% need hospitalization and 5% to your point would overhelm!!

From those tested.....which Frankly was not nearly enough to justify the 80% number..........The best test case scenario is the Cruise liner.........It was like a LAB Experiment with 712 getting it..........and a 1.2% death rate......but a lot of those on the cruise were older.

80% no hospitalization...........20% to the hospital........5% of the 20% are severe to critical....and about HALF DIE............

Again........though if they are reporting 380k cases........it's a HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN THAT..........It's just those that have been tested.......not the numbers who are unknown.....

 

[Nostra]

Masks don't prevent the spread of those that don't have it but only for those that do, so why did you give them masks? Your lies are funny.

Yeah I know that now. However that shows my thinking even before it really started hitting. If I could figure it out as a layperson, why didnt that fuckup in the WH know something was wrong? Simple. He was more worried about his numbers than the people.

He did. No one knew what it was exactly until it was too late. Like you, Trump is human. Hell the NBA halted their season too late too. The impact of Trumps decisions has massive negatives on our economy and human psyche. Do you really blame him for waiting a little longer to completely shut the country down? One of my clients told me life was not worth living as he had to lay off 150+ people. He has three young kids at home. Trump is doing the best he can. Even on this board people are arguing if he overreacted. Opinions differ. This is an extremely difficult and unprecedented situation. I hope your family is safe. Despite our feud, I wish for health and happiness for you and yours. Look at the bright side, my people seem to have discovered an effective treatment.

Teva donates potential coronavirus treatment to hospitals across the US

I expect a mass collapse of small businesses because of this. A month closed will kill damn near every independent restaurant in the country.

There are places where I live that are doing take out however, many restaurants depend on their ambience and will still have to pay for the brick and mortar. I hope you are wrong though.

Most restaurants make 25-40% of their income from something that they cannot sell: alcohol!

My neighbor is in a panic, because he has rent, taxes, and a pile of other bills due, and no idea how he'll pay any of it.

Texas is now allowing the sale of alcohol by restaurants for curbside pick up and delivery.

if liquor stores are open it's silly to pay restaurant prices for booze

I think the point is to help local business get thru this, not get the best deal.

 

[eagle1462010]

Ok.......how did that happen......I only hit quote and reply.....LOL

 

[Mac-7]

ow makes you feel better to call the coronavirus the Chinese Virus, go ahead. But I don't think that will prevent you or your loved ones from catching it, either way.

I never said calling it the Chinese Virus would prevent one from getting it. Honestly, where did you get that from? LOL

I didn't say that you made that claim. I was making fun of your desire/need to call it the Chinese Virus. The name that you call the virus (or the name that I call it) won't prevent either one of us from getting it. Understand? The virus doesn't give a damn.

I never said I had a desire to call it anything. My point was that the mainstream media is pushing the 'racist' moniker on Trump for calling it the 'Chinese Virus.' Wa Po published a story about it by some stupid anti Trump idiot. I was arguing with Pogo that they are obviously biased. Pogo said that WaPo was like a radio. Talk about a rabbit hole!! LOL

Well, if you don't have a desire or need to call it the Chinese Virus, would you call it the coronavirus?

I would not give one inch to the rabid anti trump lib media

my response under pressure from their accusation of racism is to double down and go out of my to call it the china virus

 

[Blues Man]

#1) I disagree he failed to act.

#2) So is South Korea. The cases in the US % wise are very few and far between.

1.) He should have shut the international borders back in February. He only shut down direct transport from China. Just shutting down travel from one country does virtually nothing in those globalized market place.

2.) Japan is the better comparison. Japan only has 9 cases per 1 million in population. The United States now has 98 cases per one million in population. The United States had a chance to be Japan. But Trump failed to act!

#1) He was getting mixed messages. He didn't want to happen in terms what is happening now. Economy in an upheaval, unemployment rising to 20% and kids not in schools. It is easy to be the Monday Morning QB but this was a very difficult decision. He did shut down travel but the virus was already here.

#2) Japan is much smaller than US and it is not all Trump. We are a Republic not an Empire. Trump was vilified and called a racist for closing travel to and from China if you recall.

#1) Trump is President and when he fails to do the job, you need to let him go.

#2) Japan is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of population, but only has 1,086 cases compared to New York States 22,000+! Massive failure.

#1) People will decide in November

#2) Ever been to NY...people are literally on top of one another. Not the size but the density is what counts. I am not shocked NY got it so bad.

Japan has greater population density than New York State. Tokyo is a larger city than New York City.

You just said NY has more people in it than all of Japan? Is NY larger than all of Japan in terms of territory?

No, I said JAPAN is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of POPULATION. It is 3 times the size of New York State in terms of territory.

So then Japan has better social distancing and is more proactive? What are you trying to say? Russia has fewer cases as well. I believe those countries along with South Korea acted faster because of their proximity to China.

Waiting to act is why the United States is in this current mess it is, while Russia and Japan have a relatively light infection numbers. You could wait maybe a day or two, but that's it. Thanks to air traffic, it takes less than 24 hours to get from middle of China to the furthest point on the planet from there which would be the middle of Argentina. That's how fast this lethal pathogen can spread around the world now that its in humans. The time to shut everything down was back on February 1, 2020.

Stop over hyping the lethality of this bug.

The lethality of this bug is way lower than advertised because we know that an unknown and potentially large number of people have been infected but their symptoms were mild or even nonexistent any they never sought medical help or got tested

I'm just repeating what the SCIENCE on this has said and what people who study pandemics have said. The harm done by overreacting is minimal compared to the harm done by not acting enough.

It Depends on how you define harm.

I think destroying the businesses of many millions of people is pretty harmful

If 2 million people are dead by the end of the year and the health care system is overwhelmed and destroyed, think about the economic ripple effects that would have on the rest of the country. Business's are going to be destroyed regardless of what happens. The only question is, DO YOU WANT TO SAVE LIVES! We still can save people's lives.

So you're making up a number and assuming it will come to pass.

Tell me do you know how many people have contracted this bug and recovered without ever seeking medical attention or getting tested?

Its not made up, its a projection based on SCIENTIFIC MODELING designed to predict the impact of pandemics.

The latest science and information says that 80% will not need to seek medical attention. The 20% that will though is more than enough to overwhelm and destroy the health care system.

And that's a guess. Calling it scientific modeling doesn't it make it otherwise.

Do you know right now how many people have already had this bug and recovered without seeking medical help or getting tested?

The answer is no and that number will never be known so the actual lethality if this bug will never be known

Which means you have to plan for the worse case that the scientific modeling suggest.

Not really.

If there are a lot of people sick in your area it's prudent.

If you live in an area like I do where 1 person has tested positive in an entire county not so much

You can't treat the entire country as if everyone lives in a densely populated city.

The fact is we simply are not testing enough people often enough to make reliable predictions on mortality rates

 

[Blues Man]

Masks don't prevent the spread of those that don't have it but only for those that do, so why did you give them masks? Your lies are funny.

Yeah I know that now. However that shows my thinking even before it really started hitting. If I could figure it out as a layperson, why didnt that fuckup in the WH know something was wrong? Simple. He was more worried about his numbers than the people.

He did. No one knew what it was exactly until it was too late. Like you, Trump is human. Hell the NBA halted their season too late too. The impact of Trumps decisions has massive negatives on our economy and human psyche. Do you really blame him for waiting a little longer to completely shut the country down? One of my clients told me life was not worth living as he had to lay off 150+ people. He has three young kids at home. Trump is doing the best he can. Even on this board people are arguing if he overreacted. Opinions differ. This is an extremely difficult and unprecedented situation. I hope your family is safe. Despite our feud, I wish for health and happiness for you and yours. Look at the bright side, my people seem to have discovered an effective treatment.

Teva donates potential coronavirus treatment to hospitals across the US

I expect a mass collapse of small businesses because of this. A month closed will kill damn near every independent restaurant in the country.

There are places where I live that are doing take out however, many restaurants depend on their ambience and will still have to pay for the brick and mortar. I hope you are wrong though.

Most restaurants make 25-40% of their income from something that they cannot sell: alcohol!

My neighbor is in a panic, because he has rent, taxes, and a pile of other bills due, and no idea how he'll pay any of it.

Texas is now allowing the sale of alcohol by restaurants for curbside pick up and delivery.

if liquor stores are open it's silly to pay restaurant prices for booze

I think the point is to help local business get thru this, not get the best deal.

It kind of is always about getting the best deal IMO

 

[Nostra]

Doesn't really matter what that percentage is. What matters is --- how close is it to you.

one person in my entire county has tested positive.

Great. Zero persons in my entire county, or any one surrounding it, have tested positive.

Yay us. Fringe benefits of living rural.

But you won't see me going over them thar mountains to Tennessee, or down to that other Carolina. Don't need to. Gas is cheap now.

No one I know in rural CA has it either and you can bet that we won't be going to the LA or SF shitholes probably ever again.

Ah thank you. "Shitholes", that reminds me.

Speaking of which, it's the fourth Sunday of the month and time to check in on Rump's "shithole countries" and see how they're shittin' up. Let's have a look.

Nigeria:
30 total cases, 0 deaths, 0.1 infections per 1M population.

Uganda:
1 case, 0 deaths, 0.03 infections per 1M population

Somalia:
1 case, 0 deaths, 0.06 infections per 1M population

Kenya:
15 cases, 0 deaths, 0.3 infections per 1M population.

Congo:
3 cases, 0 deaths, 0.5 infections per 1M population.

Nicaragua:
2 cases, 0 deaths, 0.3 infections per 1M population

Haiti:
2 cases, 0 deaths, 0.3 infections per 1M population.

Venezuela:
70 cases, 0 deaths, 2 cases per 1M population.

"Button"
1 case, 0 deaths, 0.3 infections per 1M population.

"Nipple"
1 case, 0 deaths, 0.03 infections per 1M population.

Ghana:
21 cases, 1 death, 0.7 infections per 1M population --- AHA! See that, they're dying in Ghana. What a shithole.

Nobody travels to those shitholes, and people who live there are too poor to travel outside those shitholes, so it is no surprise the Chinese virus is rare in those shitholes.

Glad I could clear that up for ya.

Here we see Nostril is as conversant on how viruses work as Lush Rimjob is on how birth control works.

Doesn't fucking matter how many "travel there", Dumbass. It's a virus. It spreads by itself. Don't never need to spread it 'cause it spreads by itself. It only takes one to introduce.

But there they are, the "shitoles", aren't they. Let's compare those numbers with ours:

32,783 cases, 416 deaths, 99 people infected per 1M population.

Remind me, Nostril, what defines "shithole" countries?

The virus needs a host, dumbass. It can’t just get on a plane and travel to every country on its own. No one vacations or does business in those countries so they have few cases. But give it time. This virus will be everywhere

That was an amazing post by that simpleton. He actually believes the virus can travel around the world without a host.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I put this in Politics because if I put it in health, few will see it. As well as politics of this virus was clouding my mind in the same way it has clouded all of our minds.
As mentioned before, my son is a Respiratory Care Specialist at one of the nations leading Children's hospitals and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist at a large metropolitan hospital/trauma center. When I say they are on the front lines of this, I mean they are on the front lines.
Up until Friday, I was not that concerned about getting it, or my wife or the two of them. Like most, I was comfortable in the knowledge that it is primarily a concern for the very old/folks with underlying illness.
That is no longer the case.
This weekend, all over the country hospitals are getting much younger patients that require life saving care - and they have no other illness. And the numbers you are seeing reported are not representative of the actual numbers. It is higher.
Like many, I scoffed at all of these restrictions the government was laying out. 4 states with "stay at home" orders. I thought this was over reacting.
Until I got a call from both my kids. Especially my daughter, upset and for the first time afraid and scared. "It is really bad here Dad, we are getting more and more and they are getting younger".
A 32 year old, who 48 hours earlier was at work, feeling a little funny. Last night he was on life support and fighting for his life. Add more to that. Kids also.

The situation is evolving. And it is changing in not a good way.
Take it serious folks. Don't wait until it effects you or someone you know. Change what you are doing now.
Thank God our government took this more seriously than we did.... I guess they knew more than us.




On a good note. The malaria drug is showing promise. Yesterday a 66 year old at the hospital was in critical condition on a breathing machine. He has received 2 malaria shots, is now off the machine and sitting up and talking. It isn't working for everyone, but it is clearly having positive results on some.

That is great news about the 66 yr old patient.......much respect to your family for being on the front line

 

[Nostra]

Masks don't prevent the spread of those that don't have it but only for those that do, so why did you give them masks? Your lies are funny.

Yeah I know that now. However that shows my thinking even before it really started hitting. If I could figure it out as a layperson, why didnt that fuckup in the WH know something was wrong? Simple. He was more worried about his numbers than the people.

He did. No one knew what it was exactly until it was too late. Like you, Trump is human. Hell the NBA halted their season too late too. The impact of Trumps decisions has massive negatives on our economy and human psyche. Do you really blame him for waiting a little longer to completely shut the country down? One of my clients told me life was not worth living as he had to lay off 150+ people. He has three young kids at home. Trump is doing the best he can. Even on this board people are arguing if he overreacted. Opinions differ. This is an extremely difficult and unprecedented situation. I hope your family is safe. Despite our feud, I wish for health and happiness for you and yours. Look at the bright side, my people seem to have discovered an effective treatment.

Teva donates potential coronavirus treatment to hospitals across the US

I expect a mass collapse of small businesses because of this. A month closed will kill damn near every independent restaurant in the country.

There are places where I live that are doing take out however, many restaurants depend on their ambience and will still have to pay for the brick and mortar. I hope you are wrong though.

Most restaurants make 25-40% of their income from something that they cannot sell: alcohol!

My neighbor is in a panic, because he has rent, taxes, and a pile of other bills due, and no idea how he'll pay any of it.

Texas is now allowing the sale of alcohol by restaurants for curbside pick up and delivery.

if liquor stores are open it's silly to pay restaurant prices for booze

I think the point is to help local business get thru this, not get the best deal.

It kind of is always about getting the best deal IMO

Not always. If a majority of your local restaurants don't survive this life will not be the same. A buddy of mine had a great idea...........he ordered pick up from his favorite local spot and also bought a $500 gift certificate to help them with cash flow. If I had to guess, he will never even use it.